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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: dragonlady403 on Friday 24 January 14 02:55 GMT (UK)
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Hi - I realize that people died a lot earlier in the 1800's, but my two relatives were young even by those standards, particularly my 3rd G grandfather.
Edmond and Elizabeth Hatter (nee Grainger/Granger) died quite young and left their three small children orphaned. I am trying to find out how/why they died.
Edmond Hatter born 1828 (Bromham, Wilts) D 1857 Devizes Wilts age 29
Elizabeth Hatter born 1823 (Bromham, Wilts) D 1861 Bromham Wilts age 36
Is this type of information available anywhere? Would it be possible to obtain copies of a death certificate? If anyone could assist I would be most appreciative. Thanks in advance
Carol
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You can search for their death registration on FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl as below.
You can buy the Certificates from the General Register Office online for £9.25 using the ref numbers http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
Edmund Hatter ec Qtr 1857 Devizes Vol 5a Page 59
Eliza Hatter Dec Qtr 1861 Devizes Vol 5a Page 48
Kay
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I think it was poisoning due to their occupation, I'm thinking it was mercury.
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I think it was poisoning due to their occupation, I'm thinking it was mercury.
Were they hatters by trade also, not just by name?
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it would help i suppose if someones looked at the census to find their occ......... :)
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In 1851, Edmund was an Allotment Farmer of 2 Acres?! ;D
Class: HO107; Piece: 1839; Folio: 544; Page: 10
Westbrook Green, Bromham, Wiltshire
Hatter, Edmund Head M 28 Allotment Farmer of 2 Acres b Bromham
Hatter, Elizabeth Wife F 28 b Bromham
Hatter, Charles Son M 2 b Bromham
Hatter, Henry Son 7 months b Bromham
Pearce, Abigail Visitor F 14 b Heddington
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Snap! Age for Elizabeth/Eliza does not quite fit but it must be the right family. The family next door is John Hatter age 46 - a relative? - Jane age 32 and dau Jane age 1.
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Excellent thanks everyone.... yes it is my understanding he was an allotment farmer not a "hatter" by trade.
I will pursue the document route to see if anything was listed in the records.
Thanks again, Carol
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Edmond and Elizabeth Hatter (nee Grainger/Granger) died quite young and left their three small children orphaned. I am trying to find out how/why they died.
Edmond Hatter born 1828 (Bromham, Wilts) D 1857 Devizes Wilts age 29
Elizabeth Hatter born 1823 (Bromham, Wilts) D 1861 Bromham Wilts age 36
How confident are you of the details for the death of Elizabeth HATTER? In 1861 Census [7th April] three of her four children are recorded 'relative' with the COTTLE couple at Bromham [RG9 piece 1292 folio 120 page 20] but Mark is with his grandmother GRANGER at Calne [RG9 piece 1286 folio 165 page 13].
The four children's baptisms at Chittoe are recorded on the FamilySearch website.
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The family i have no idea; however; if they were employed as hatters then i understand that the poisonous metal antimony was used to bend the felt fabric.This would have a cumulative effect like lead.
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RedRoger,
The family were called "Hatter".
They were NOT employed as hatters! ;D ;D
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The family i have no idea; however; if they were employed as hatters then i understand that the poisonous metal antimony was used to bend the felt fabric.This would have a cumulative effect like lead.
That should be obvious from the wording of my response given above!
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The family i have no idea; however; if they were employed as hatters then i understand that the poisonous metal antimony was used to bend the felt fabric.This would have a cumulative effect like lead.
That should be obvious from the wording of my response given above!
Rather superfluous, and it was mercury that was used and caused poisoning of [mad] hatters.
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You are of course right about the mercury.But if you check you will find antimony was also used as a yellow dye!
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I'm still puzzled why an Allotment Farmer would want to use mercury or antimony?! ;D ;D ???
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i just wondring if the hatters were related to alice then we could all have a tea party.... but not with mercury...maybe venus instead......
seriously though have you looked on Wiltshire County Council site for a probate doc.....???????/
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This post has proved to have got in some what of a muddle.
This I found in Wiltshire Removal Orders Find My Past,which may or may not be of some help .
Ref, WSRO 862/21
John Hatter,husband of Elizabeth, and Esther Hatter,5th May 1829 all subject to a Wiltshire Removal Order,from Ogbourne St George to Mildenhall.
Brionne
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This post has proved to have got in some what of a muddle.
It certainly looks as if a few 'chatters' are 'off piste'!
These are records significant to this thread:
Marriages
02 Oct 1847 HATTER Edmund / GRANGER, Elizabeth at Chittoe, Wilts
Sep 1853 COTTLE William / GRANGER Mary Melksham 5a 163
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Hi Brionne: thanks for the info on Wilts Removal Orders. That family doesn't appear to be directly related to our lot (so far), but they must be of the larger family so it is worth knowing.
Dee-Jay - yes Edmund Hatter married Elizabeth Granger and they are the ancestors I am trying to obtain more information about. Specifically how/why they died.
FastFusion - I looked on the Wilts site for a probate doc and was not able to locate anything.
Thanks everyone.
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It has already been said that the death certificates are probably the only way to discover the cause of death but you may be lucky and find that the church burial register has clues, especially if there happened to be an epidemic of some sort at the time. Can you order the film of the local church register to search at your nearest LDS family history centre? It will probably be the one where the children were baptised.
The fact is that people did die young from illnesses that are easily cured nowadays. Many did not live to a ripe old age.
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You could have a look at the local newspaper; http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results?newspaperTitle=Devizes%20and%20Wiltshire%20Gazette&page=165
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especially if there happened to be an epidemic of some sort at the time.
There is a list of epidemics here:
http://www.kdfhs.org.uk/index.php?Itemid=30&id=1&option=com_content&view=article
Josey
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Carol, in your original post you say Elizabeth died in 1861, but I wonder what the source of that information is? I see from FreeBMD that there is a death registration for Elizabeth Hatter in Sep qtr 1857 Devizes (vol 5a page 60), which is the right registration district for Bromham. As has already been pointed out, the Hatter children were already distributed amongst relatives by the time of the census in April 1861.
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josie , that was an interesting link........ explains a lot i can see at a distance where some parishes have large deaths rates of infants etc......... interesting stuff......
thanks
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Hi all thanks so much for the follow-up!! I am learning a lot:)
Sillgen - I am not entirely sure what you mean with regard to the LDS? Are you suggesting I contact the Latter Day Saints churches here in Canada to obtain that type of record for the UK?
YoungTug - thanks for that Link to the British Newspapers... I did do a search to see if the Hatter name popped up for that time/area, but it is certainly worth having another go at it and perhaps broadening the dates. I think I searched for her Husband Charles rather than Elizabeth so will try that as well.
Josey - thanks for the Epidemics info, I didn't even know that was available!!!
AVM - Elizabeth's death is most likely 1859 as per:
Elizabeth Hatter
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1859
Registration District: Devizes
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume: 5a
Page: 60
However, that being said, there is also a death record for Elizabeth Hatter in the same area for 1861 which I also have as a potential option. I must have used that date in the original post.
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Youngtug... LOL When I searched for Elizabeth Hatter - in the Thursday 28 November 1839 , Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette , Wiltshire, England - there was a piece about an Isaac Webb being charged with stealing a "quantity of potatoes" from Elizabeth Hatter of Bromham.
It is unlikely it is the same Elizabeth though because she would only have been 16 at the time and she didn't marry Edmond until 1847.
As far as I have determined Edmond's mother was Jane Hatter, so this must have been another relative.
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AVM - Elizabeth's death is most likely 1859 as per:
Elizabeth Hatter
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1859
Registration District: Devizes Volume: 5a Page: 60
However, that being said, there is also a death record for Elizabeth Hatter in the same area for 1861 which I also have as a potential option. I must have used that date in the original post.
This was why I raised the unanswered query in my earlier post. I didn't want you to instigate a certificate purchase for an unsubstantiated death.
Is anyone on this forum local enough to check the burials for Chittoe? According to FamilySearch the marriage and baptisms were held there, so it's likely the burials might be there also?
I did notice two other Chittoe baptisms 05 Dec 1852 [Eliza Martha & Mary] with parentage 'Edwin' & Elizabeth, which could be an error, as I found only one Edwin in 1851 born Sussex in prison up-country and none in 1861! At least one, if not both, of those babes appear to have been possible infant mortalities in 1853 and 1854 respectively.
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Josie - I see there was a problem with Diptheria in and around the time of death of my relatives.
1856 Typhus epidemic (London) followed returning soldiers from Crimean War; diphtheria epidemic
1857 Diphtheria epidemic
1858 Diphtheria epidemic; scarlatina epidemic
Might be a good lead. I will try to follow that up. Thanks again.
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The LDS have family history centres which are worldwide. You can order films of most UK church records to search there. Check at your local one to see how to do it. There are further details on the familysearch site I think. Before the days of the internet I spent hours at my local one going through the films of parishes I wanted to research. They also give the burials and vicars often added snippets of detail which can be very useful. It helps put the wider family into perspective too. First rule of research - always look at original records!
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have to agree with sillygen ...get the films seek the originals and buy the certificates to get the truth////// one can make all the theory sound plausable but the truth is all that matters at the end of the day
:)
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I personally would invest in purchasing the death certificates available directly from the Chippenham Record Office (quicker) or from the General Register Office. I believe you can order over the phone from Chippenham
I find if you get the certificate issued from the local register office and tell them you only want to buy it if certain information meets the criteria that you know eg. parents names etc then normally you can get a refund.
Well most of the register offices I have dealt with across the UK have certainly been helpful in that respect - have save a packet over the amount of years have been researching
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Sillgen: Thanks so much, I didn't realize that service was available. Turns out there is an LDS Family Histories Centre on my street here in Canada!!! I will contact them to see what they offer and how to access the service.
Trancesgirl: Yes that is an option I have been considering. The problemis that I have paid for and ordered several certificates in the past and they were pretty much useless. They should have had place of birth, parents' names etc. Yet they only had the names of the two people married and the date of marriage and on the death certificate... nothing about where they were from or parentage etc. It was an expensive lesson. So, if I can find information via other routes I will try that first. If not, I will go the "ordering of paperwork" route. Thanks for the info on ordering via the Chippenham Record Office, that sounds helpful.
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The problemis that I have paid for and ordered several certificates in the past and they were pretty much useless. They should have had place of birth, parents' names etc. Yet they only had the names of the two people married and the date of marriage and on the death certificate... nothing about where they were from or parentage etc.
Death certificates from England & Wales contain very little information!
Example here: http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum_dg/groups/dg_digitalassets/@dg/@en/documents/digitalasset/dg_176222.pdf
Scottish certificates contain more information ;D
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LOl - well I do at least have a couple of "rellies" from Scotland so hopefully, that will prove more useful.
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I actually live quite close to Chittoe, and the Wiltshire history centre.
I won't be able to check the records until next week but if you still need someone to go and see what is there I will go and take a look then.
Glen
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Glencare - that would be wonderful!! I will msge you on the side to see what information you need from me to accomplish that. Thanks so much.
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I am not convinced that there are any burials taking place in Chittoe at the time of the two deaths. Think it would be Bromham burials that have to be checked.
http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getchurch.php?id=775
Added: Re-read and they may have just been at Chittoe. OH and I will have a wander and see if we can find any graves
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You may well be correct. It looks like Bromham would be the likely repository of the family docs. I am having a devil of a time tracking this one branch.
Essentially:
Charles Hatter was born in 1847 in Bromham. Died in NZ in 1925 He had two (possibly three) siblings that I have records for... Henry born 1852 (d in England 1906) and Mary b 1857 (d?).
Their parents were Edmond (Edmund) Hatter B 1828 in Bromham (d 1857) Devizes Married Elizabeth Granger (Grainger) B 1823 Bromham (D 1859) Bromham.
I am trying to find out more about their births/deaths and want to locate their parents - I originally thought his parents were Jane and John Hatter, but I don't think that is accurate because there are no census records of Edmond living with them and the age doesn't seem correct relative to their other children. So back to the drawing board on that one.
I will be in the Wilts area myself in about three weeks. I am more than willing to do the legwork if you could point me to the various alternatives for searching of physical rather than online records? Tx for your help I really appreciate it - I find the whole process pretty overwhelming! Carol
p.s on the upside... it has been educational and entertaining as all get out learning about the exploits and vagaries of my ancestors so far! They sure are a colourful (note the UK spelling there!) lot
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The registers for Chittoe start from 1846 which suggests it was a chapel of ease for Bromham - WSHC do not have a burial register listed so maybe there are no burials at all at Chittoe
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If you are visiting Wiltshire then you could visit the Wiltshire & Swindon history centre, in Chippenham. http://wshc.eu/
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Ok I have contacted the Wiltshire/Swindon history centre to see what they can assist with. Thanks for that link!
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It might be worth an approach via email to heritageadmin@wiltshire.gov.uk to ascertain if they know whether there is or has been a graveyard at Chittoe and, if so, whether a Burial Register or Burial Services Register remains with the incumbent.
Many years ago UK Local Government Archives were required to ascertain the whereabouts of all such records, to ensure their safe-keeping and preservation in regulated storage conditions.
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OK Dee-Jay, thanks for that, I just sent them an email to see what they have to say.
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Further 'sleuthing' has found two articles submitted by correspondents on page 3 of the Devizes and Wiltshire Gazette - Thursday 23 October 1845 - under the column heading 'THE CHURCH OF ST. MARY AT CHITTOE', reporting its consecration and ending 'Immediately after the service was concluded, the ceremony of consecration of the burial ground was performed: and never were we more struck on any similar occasion with the solemnity of the service.'
Edited:
The population for the Hamlet of Chittoe was then reportedly only 250 inhabitants.
From the Wiltshire Community History - Church Search Results - 'A dwindling population and congregation caused the church to close and it was converted into a private house in the 1980s. There is still access to the graveyard.'
See http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getchurch.php?id=775
AND: In WSRO Archive Catalogue Chippenham
Reference No.: 2379/51A
Title: Transcript of the Chittoe burial register with details added of grave location and monumental description, with a small map showing the location of known graves.
Date: 1846-1998
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That sleuthing kept you up late last night dee-jay!
But brilliant finds & I am sure very helpful.
Josey
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HI Dee-Jay - as per your suggestions I contacted the two agencies and, as it turns out, the HeritageAdmin folks sent my request to the WSHC one anyway...
Turns out all your sleuthing resulted in the best accuracy about the records they do hold, this is what they told me "We hold the parish records for Wiltshire. There are baptism and marriage records for Chittoe from 1846 but no burials, these would take place in Bromham".
They also provided some additional names, which I have to clarify, but it looks like there were 4 or 5 siblings for my relative (not the two I had records for).
I will go to the WSHC whilst in Wilts and look at the birth marriage records. I assume Bromham has a similar facility?
Thanks so much everyone for all your input and efforts!! I am so happy with the progress you all helped me make in just a couple of days. Regards, Carol
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The Wiltshire & Swindon history centre in Chippenham holds most of the records for Wiltshire, Bromham will not have a similar facility.
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According to GENUKI for Bromham:
WSRO registers: Chr 1566-1987, Mar 1560-1989, Bur 1560-1865
In the course of my 'sleuthing' I found that the Bishop consecrated a new burial ground at Bromham, near the church, in April 1858.
I'm a bit puzzled why the left hand doesn't know what the right one is holding when it comes to Chittoe .... ??? I'm surprised they don't know where the original Chittoe Burial Register is lodged, if they hold a transcript ..... ::)
The 'mother' church was Bishop's Cannings prior to Chittoe's elevation to parish status, so perhaps the answer lies there?
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LOL - nothing surprises me about this process anymore!
Regards, Carol
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They provided me with this link to what parish records they hold:
http://www.wshc.eu/about-wshc/archives/306.html
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http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getchurch.php?id=775
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Chittoe was built as a chapel of ease for Bromham it would seem - no burials took place there hence the lack of a burial register. Prior to this chapel opening marriages and baptisms were indeed held at either Bromham or at Bishops Cannings the contiguous parishes.
After congregation numbers dwindled the church was closed and converted into a private residence. Attached is a photograph of the very sympathetically converted building. You can see the owners have maintained many of the church features so you have a fair idea of how it would have looked when built.
The image can be found on the Wiltshire OPC Project Gallery for Chittoe (no breach of copyright since I am admin for the site)
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Chittoe was built as a chapel of ease for Bromham it would seem - no burials took place there hence the lack of a burial register. Prior to this chapel opening marriages and baptisms were indeed held at either Bromham or at Bishops Cannings the contiguous parishes .....
..... I am admin for the site
Please see the newspaper article to which I refer above and also the reference for the Chittoe burials' transcript etc .....
Can you please bring your good offices to bear at Chippenham to resolve these anomalies?
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I do not have the answer - I am going by what we have researched and what holdings the Wiltshire Record Office (WSHC) have listed in their catalogue.
Yes they say there is access to the graveyard which would suggest there were burials there. However you need to ask if the church closed in the 1980s where are the registers for baptisms from 1912 to closure and the burial register which is not listed at all. The Marriage register is from 1846-1978. I would assume the the registers were deposited at WSHC when the church closed but why no burial register!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There was also a chapel in Chittoe called the Heath Chapel.
It is a mystery I must say.
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It's possible it could be lodged elsewhere in the diocese, as although a burial ground may be 'closed' to new burials, there may be deeds pertaining to the ownership of plots which could in theory be re-opened for family members.
Whatever the outcome, the Wiltshire repositories and websites need to be 'singing from the same songsheet .... '
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So we should - however we can but work with what we know - I shall ask my Melksham OPC to visit the area and see what graves are there if any. She may be able to photograph them for our website. Just because a ground is consecrated I suppose there is an outside chance that no burials took place but I doubt it. It may be that the vicar of Bromham has the latest registers for Chittoe in his keeping.
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It is a problem the disappearance of part or more of parish records. Some church's have hung onto them and others seem to have lost them. There is a note in one of the Phillimores books saying that part of the PRs were used for fire lighting by the official in charge of them. [not this parish]
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And,, mentioning Phillimores; https://archive.org/details/registersofbisho00bish
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Yes we hold a copy of this - according to someone on another thread am sure they said this is not complete as suggested.
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I shall ask my Melksham OPC to visit the area and see what graves are there if any. She may be able to photograph them for our website. Just because a ground is consecrated I suppose there is an outside chance that no burials took place but I doubt it. It may be that the vicar of Bromham has the latest registers for Chittoe in his keeping.
If anyone local is able to check out the document reference at Chippenham, there should be a note of when and by whom the Chittoe Burials transcript was deposited. After all, it features, as below, in the WSRO History of the Parish Section for Chittoe St Mary on the old a2a website!
Transcript of Chittoe burial register PR/Chittoe St Mary with Sandy Lane St Mary and St Nicholas/2379/51 (A) 1846-1998
These documents are held at Wiltshire and Swindon Archives
Contents:
With details added of grave location and monumental description, with a small map showing the location of known graves.
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Thank the stars you all know what you are talking about!!! I don't even understand most of the acronyms!
I did ask the researcher from the WSHC where the burial records were kept. I will let you know if I hear anything back.
Not sure how helpful it is but, in the meantime, I did find the following on this website - http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WIL/Chittoe/#Cemeteries
Indexes and registers of the parish church of Chittoe, St Mary:
(for earlier entries see Bishops Cannings, Bromham, Calne and Chippenham)
WSRO registers: Chr 1846-1912, Mar 1846-1978
IGI Chr 1846-1875 Batch C054331, Mar 1846-1880 and some to 1884 Batch M054331
Wiltshire Index Service Burials 1846-1858
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To quote [or misquote] 'As sure as eggs is eggs' someone must know the whereabouts of the original Chittoe Burial Register: the end date is 1998!
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Here's hoping! As I said in an earlier msge... In a couple of weeks I will be visiting England's green and pleasant land myself.
I hope to spend some time at the historical centre and (as a wannabe photographer I always have a camera in hand) I intend to take pics of churches, gravestones etc.
I am more than happy to share/post anything people might find useful.
Carol
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BTW - I have located someone on Genealogy.com who is researching the same family.
He/she has, what I assume are certificate numbers, for the births and deaths so I have contacted them to see if they have any more information that might solve the mystery of the "missing burial records".
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If you visit the history centre at Chippenham it is best to let them know when you are visiting them. You also have to book a fiche or film reader.
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Yep - I have contacted them and they have given me all the info to do that TX.
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I hope that all folk putting up death cert references on this post are in fact checking the age of deaths against the wiltshire bmd...........
uuummmmm youngtug > I am certain the prs have been used for all sorts of interesting purposes.... the palimpapest(sic spelling*), the lacemakers...... and most probably fire starting.
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a friendly perspective of the excel BC version of entries from Parrys book...... I did see that comment tother day made by a chatterer.... I did check against the fso on that , as u thought i might having family there, the answer is yes fso scopes are outside Parrys book and some of it comes up to 1880s (from memory)
:)
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I hope that all folk putting up death cert references on this post are in fact checking the age of deaths against the wiltshire bmd...........
Thanks for that! Most of my Wilts research is from 'hands on' days, using purchased copies of microfiche of parish registers for the Cannings and All Cannings Bishops Transcripts, so I was unaware Wiltshire had engaged with that project. For those unfamiliar with the BMD databases this is the link: http://www.wiltshirebmd.org.uk/
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Just a word of warning - it's a work in progress!
For my parish of interest, births only up to 1892 ::)
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For the period of this thread it's perfect! In a previous post I reported my 'gut' feeling on other records I encountered:
I did notice two other Chittoe baptisms 05 Dec 1852 [Eliza Martha & Mary] with parentage 'Edwin' & Elizabeth, which could be an error, as I found only one Edwin in 1851 born Sussex in prison up-country and none in 1861! At least one, if not both, of those babes appear to have been possible infant mortalities in 1853 and 1854 respectively.
They are confirmed in the Births on WiltsBMD with mother's maiden name!
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To quote [or misquote] 'As sure as eggs is eggs' someone must know the whereabouts of the original Chittoe Burial Register: the end date is 1998!
Suggest you look at Wikipedia and then try Bromham after you have read the entry. My guess is that they will be filed with Bromham parish!
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As far as I have determined Edmond's mother was Jane Hatter .....
I had another crack at parentage and found this in FamilySearch for an Edmund born Wiltshire 1822-23:
28 Jul 1822 Edmund HATTIE [sic] son of William & Catharine at Bromham
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http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getchurch.php?id=770
and; http://history.wiltshire.gov.uk/community/getchurch.php?id=775
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Dee-Jay, thanks for that! I had originally had Edmund's (Edmond) parents as Jane ... but, a few days ago removed them from my tree because I couldn't substantiate it and the dates didn't match up for the rest of the tree.
This new couple may be the missing link I am looking for. I will try to verify the data and hopefully, that will provide me with the additional info I needed.
YoungTug - thanks for the links to the churches. I will be in the area so hopefully, will be able to see graveyards at least (I understand the Chittoe one is still open to public even though the church is privately held).
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RedRoger - actually that was a good suggestion.
I have been struggling with the geographic layout of the various towns we are talking about... i.e. Devizes, Chittoe, Bromham and Wilts. Having reviewed some of the Wiki info - I have actually figured out that Chittoe was a "sub village" that essentially got annexed into the larger village and civil parish of Bromham.
Devizes is the larger town and civil parish nearby. VERY interesting read about its history!
At least now I know to drill down to, as local an area as I can, when looking for records and have a better understanding of the structure/relationship of the various places.
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You could always try a virtual tour first, with google maps street view
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uuummmmm seeing a place on a map always helps put things in perspective.... thats why its always important to check surrounding villages for their records as well......... and that applies for all over the planet but in Wiltshire all roads lead to somewhere else..... :)
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Living in Wiltshire I can tell you the last statement is not entirely correct ;D
Use Street view, not just the map..
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RedRoger - actually that was a good suggestion.
Pleased to be of service. :)
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That amused me too!
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Pleased to be of service. :)
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Good day all.
First ) I want to wish all those in S England who have been enduring floods all the very best to you and your families! Having gone through a very similar situation here in Calgary last Spring, I REALLY empathize.
2) I want to thank ALL of you who contributed to this thread. I very much appreciate your sharing your knowledge and your time to assist me in my quest for those "elusive" relatives.
3) I am very pleased to be able to update you... I connected with someone on Ancestry who has been researching this particular branch of the family for over 10 years. Ironically, she is also in Canada. She has been very generous with her information and we are collaborating to expand our knowledge.
That being said, as a result of her work and effort, I now have information on this branch of the family back to 1620 - a result I would never have dreamed possible when I started this "geneaology gig" about three months ago:). Obviously I have a lot of work ahead of me in validating the data, but it sure is a lot further than I ever expected to be at this stage.
4) DEE-JAY, I particularly want to thank you for all your additional work and efforts (whether it was done in the objective of housework avoidance or not!), and for your patience in messaging me with my "not stupid" questions. Your challenge to my original data about Edmund's parents early on was quite pivotal - because as soon as this collaborator researcher produced her data, I recognized the names you had provided and it all fell together like a giant jigsaw puzzle.
Thanks again everyone and, I really hope that when I arrive in Wiltshire in a few days... things will have dried out (not the pubs though!)
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G'day, Carol.
Happy to be of service! ;D With the benefit of 25+ years' research, we 'seniors' develop an instinct ..... ;)
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Since you all assisted so ably with this, I thought a quick update was in order.
I found out why these two particular Hatter's died so young. Edmund died 1857 of a Psoas Abscess and Elizabeth died in 1859 of what appears to be "Sulfacation" of the bowels (I seem to recall reading somewhere that might be code for typhod but need to confirm that).
Onwards and upwards, thanks again.
Carol
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Carol
Please can you contact me re Hatter family