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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: ajw on Wednesday 29 January 14 13:05 GMT (UK)
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I have a complicated scenario. My person of interest was a Mary Jane Armstrong. I have her in the 1901 and 1911 census. Where its complicated is the ages of the people in the family in 10 years dont match and shows the relationship to head of house (sibling, nephew and neice). I dont know who her mum is and i believe she was illegit as father not on marriage certificate.
Robert 44 60
John 42 58
Margaret Jane 52 69
Catherine 40 56
William John 28
Mary Jane 16 26
I dont know if William John is her brother or cousin but he was a witness at her wedding. Any info would help
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Hi,
The old age pension was introduced in 1909 and it is surprising the number of people who aged considerably between 1901 and 1911.
Regards
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Aging between 1901 and 1911 was relevant to individuals!
Many people did not know accurately when they were born and guessed hence a change, some single women lost years in the hope of still marrying; some older people gained years in the hope of a pension!
1901 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Fermanagh/Crum/Kingsarrow_South/1357507/)
1911 census (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Fermanagh/Crum/Kingarrow_South/523428/)
On both census returns she is shown as Robert’s niece which would imply that either her mother or father was his sibling; if her father’s name was not shown on her marriage certificate then it is more probably a sister.
Have you located a birth cert for Mary Jane?
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Robert 44 60
John 42 58
Margaret Jane 52 69
Catherine 40 56
William John 28
Mary Jane 16 26
What is fairly consistant between 1901 and 1911 census are the difference in ages between Robert, John, Margaret Jane and Catherine. If the 1st persons age is correct and then he (or other person in household) calculates the rest of the ages from the incorrect date you do see this sort of result.
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There is a possibility that this is the civil record for Mary Jane's birth (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBZ5-DM9) in 1888
on another site there is a birth on May 19 1888/baptism Jun 08 1888 in Lisnaskea Workhouse of a Mary Jane Armstrong, father unknown, mother Martha Armstrong
Like all things in family research needs some investigating and proving!
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Because she was illegit what would be the chances her mother went into workhouse to give birth and then came out when born, what was the norm for this scenario of illegit children.
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Not always. Remember that there was also usually a hospital attached to the Workhouse (although I can't find a mention of one here) and that also accounts for some births shown under workhouses.
In case you haven't seen this on Lisnaskea Workhouse-
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Lisnaskea/
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I believe I may located her birth on find my past; jul-sep 1884 in lisnaskea
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I believe you are correct from another site
DoB Jul 08 1884; DoBap Aug 01 1884 Derrylin; address Kingarrow; mother Katherine Armstrong
as Catherine was the younger sister I would consider that William was not her son based on ages
however their ages are inaccurate!
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What site was that. That is definitely her. Thank you so much for finding it, had almost given up trying to find it.
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www.rootsireland.com
It is a paid site based on credits
You can search with what information you have; I searched for Armstrong in Fermanagh in 1884 with the mother's maiden name of Armstrong
They only give a transcription of records and some can be inaccurate, you are better to order the civil record to have genuine proof of the details for a person
Link to reference (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBHS-12K)
Never give up! put on the back burner maybe, get frustrated yes; but its amazing where additional information comes from! A conversation, new records, some one else's thoughts.......
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Hi,
I don't know if this helps but a John Armstrong married Catherine Armstrong in Ballinamallard Church of Ireland, Irvinestown District on 18 May 1882.
Regards
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Please ignore my previous post. I have found the family on the 1901 census and it is not the one you are looking for.
Regards
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Have been looking on the Valuation Revision 1864-79. I believe that the Father of Robert,
John, Margaret Jane and Catherine was James Armstrong. What records are available at this time period to find out anything on him, his wife, father etc?