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Hello everyone. Hoping for some help please. Looking for the parents of Violet Thelma Elston. born abt 1911. only trace I have found of her under her maiden name Elston , is in Colac electoral roll in 1931. Her death under her married name of Ross, says her mothers name was Rose. This is all I have. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
kind regards from Heather
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Violet Thelma ELSTON married Geo ROSS in 1933.
Ref = 1742
So far I can't see a birth for her in Victoria.
Dee :)
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Do you have first names for the parents or only mothers' maiden surname?
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Heather, does her death information give her mother's surname as Rose or her given name?
I've found the death of a Rose ELSTON aged 72 at Kew in 1957.
I'll investigate further.
Dee :)
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Rose ELSTON is on the Corangamite Electoral Roll in 1919!
Address given as Apollo Bay, occupation home duties.
The same address has Hannah ELSTON listed.
The death index gives Rose's mother as Hannah ANDREWS and her father as Arthur Henry ELSTON.
Hannah died in COLAC in 1930 and Arthur Henry died there in 1922.
I'm really wondering.....
Dee :)
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The only online tree on Ancestry has Violet's birth as May 1910, and her mother as Rose ELSTON.
There's a photo of her on there.
Using 1910 and just the given name of Violet, or Thelma, nothing is appearing for her birth in the indexes.
Dee :)
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WWI enlistment
Arthur Henry ELSTON #2404, 24yrs at Jun 16 1916, b. Camperdown,
NOK mother Hannah ELSTON, Apollo Bay KIA 26 Mar 1917
father A H E ELSTON whereabouts unknown
of interest...
Laurence ELSTON, #562 b. Carlton,
NOK A H E ELSTON, Colac 27yrs 5mths at Aug 1914
also
George ROSS #VX42824 b. 16 Sep 1910 Rokewood, VIC
POE Caulfield
NOK Violet
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hello everyone. yes mothers given name was rose, so I am wondering if the Hannah was roses mother ? bit confusing................and looks like this rose who died in kew never married, so maybe this is vio;ets mother and then violet was raised by relatives ...hmmmmm.......confusing allright !!!!!
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Maybe you need to get the marriage certificate of Violet Thelma ELSTON and George ROSS, Heather.....that should name her parents, provided she gave the information.
Dee :)
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Not sure how this fits in (probably doesn't )
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12233380
1935
ELSTON- On the 28th April at the residence of her daughter (Mrs P Smith), 199
McKillop street Geelong, Elizabeth Harriet, wife of the late Arthur Henry Elston of
Colac and loving mother of Alwin (deceased) Phoebe (Mrs T Smith) and Lawrence
Elizabeth and Arthur's marriage in 1880 http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article34469648
Silver wedding http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article9885512
regards,
Ros
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The Arthur Henry ELSTON who died in 1922 was the husband of Elizabeth Harriet....
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1833042
So....was there another Arthur Henry ELSTON in Colac or ???
In 1919 Hannah Elston and Rose are at Appollo Bay on the ERs. No sign of an Arthur Henry there. :-\
Dee :)
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Hi
In the WW1 record for Arthur Henry Elston, Hannah states her husband has deserted her
Muss
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I wonder if the third given name is important ...A H E ELSTON...in differentiating between two Arthur Henry ELSTONs?
The will for Arthur Henry ELSTON d. 4 Jun 1922 has widow Elizabeth, son Henry Laurence, Colac, daughter Phoebe Helen SMITH, Gellibrand
There is an obit in The Colac Herald 25 April 1917 for Arthur Henry KIA WW1 which I am not able to see completely.......
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Hi
From WW1 record Arthur Henry Elston died 26 Mar 1917 age 24 son of Arthur Henry and Hannah Elston of Apollo Bay
Muss
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Good find, Muss! :)
In 1924 there's a Charles Edward ELSTON listed at Appollo Bay, as are Hannah and Rose.
But I can't find any marriage for Hannah and AH in Victoria.
Dee :)
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Hi
May help http://records.ancestry.com/Arthur_Henry_Elston_records.ashx?pid=186636092
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=chippie_tree&id=I495
Muss
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Now found the marriage….
(I was looking too early)
Arth Hy ELSTON (born ISLINGTON ENGLAND) married Hannah ANDREWS (born Gordons) in 1890
Ref = 660
Two births…..
Edith ELSTON born 1891 at CAMPERDOWN
Father = Arthur Hy ELSTON & Mother = Hannah ANDREWS
Ref = 1325
Arth Hy ELSTON born 1892 at CDOWN
Father = Arth Hy ELSTON & Mother = Hannah ANDREWS
Ref = 20841
Dee :)
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Another birth…..in South Australia……
Charles Edward ELSTON born 15th May 1901 in Adelaide.
Father =Arthur Henry ELSTON & Mother = Hannah ANDREWS
Ref = Ade 676/213
Also.....
Robert James ELSTON born 18th Feb 1895 at Stepney.
Ref = 558/486
Dee :)
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thank you everyone, now the Arthur married to the Elizabeth in 1880, also had a daughter rose, apparently born 1885 in islington England. then we have Arthur married to Hannah, they married in 1890 ?? (was it ??) bit confused again. their daughter rose also born 1885. hmmmmm.....I was thinking this Arthur was the same person, but birth and death dates are different...........oh I don't know now which rose is what, which rose is violets mother ??? so certificates I guess from here. thank to all for the help so far
hugs frm heather
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goodness we have births coming and going from england to australia back to England !!!!!!! also on trove a found a snippit that stated arthurs occupation as a hawker. not sure which Arthur though !!!!!!! (don't know whether i'm Arthur or Martha at the moment !!! little joke there !!!)
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I don't blame you, Heather.....it's very confusing, so I think a certificate or two maybe in order. If only we could find Violet Thelma's birth!
After much searching, I have found a birth for a Rose around 1885 ....actually in 1884 in Milparinka, NSW, listed as Rose ANDREWS, with mother Hannah ANDREWS......just to throw a little more confusion into the saga! I haven't checked it on the NSW index yet, but no father is given, and ref number is 33128.
Dee :)
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ahhhh, that's a surprise, but hopefully that might lead somewhere !!!!! you just never know !!!!!
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It doesn't help any but Rose ELSTON died from cardiac arrest. There was an inquest held 1st November 1957.
Ref = 1797
Dee :)
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Marriage record for Arthur Henry ELSTON who married Elizabeth Harriet HALES in 1880 has that he was born in Northamptonshire.
FreeBMD has an Arthur Henry ELSTON registered Sep Qtr 1853 Northampton 3b/69 or 3b/89.
The marriage record for Arthur Henry ELSTON who married Hannah ANDREWS in 1890 says he was born in Islington, England.
There's a baptism record for Arthur Henry ELSTON in Islington with his birth recorded as 30th October 1856. Father = George Henry ELSTON, watch maker; mother = Adelaide JOHNSON.
FreeBDM has the birth registered Dec Qtr 1856, St Lukes, 1b/513
There definitely appear to be 2 Arthur Henry ELSTONs.
Dee :)
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hi there, can you tell me where u got the info about the inquest please ?? I would like to read it,
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I have an Inquests Index, Heather.
However, to see the actual inquest, you would have to go to the Public Records Office -Archives of Victoria. You can't get a copy any other way, I'm afraid.
Dee :)
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ok, thank you
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The 1930 death notice for Hannah ELSTON at Colac states that she was the widow of the late Arthur H ELSTON of Apollo Bay and her children are Rose, Edith (dec), Arthur (dec), Robert (dec) Charles and grandaughter Violet ELSTON.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4230062
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thank thank thank you merlin and everyone else,,,, this is what we needed to fit it all together.
greatly appreciated......hugs to all from heather.
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hi. heather and I are still trying to find violet Elston birth details, I am wondering if you know where an unwed woman would have gone to have her baby in 1910 somewhere between colac and adelaide
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Hello debeades.
Welcome to RootsChat. :)
I think the answer to your question would be that it could have been anywhere!
I've searched all the available online indexes plus what I have on disk, and nothing turns up, not even when I searched South Australian records and Victorian records just using her given names, together and separately.
I don't have access to Tasmanian records, but I know a couple of others on the board do.
I don't know if anyone else has any suggestions.
Dee :)
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hi. heather and I are still trying to find violet Elston birth details, I am wondering if you know where an unwed woman would have gone to have her baby in 1910 somewhere between colac and adelaide
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I would suggest Melbourne would be much closer to Colac? Lots of unwed mothers went to Carlton Women's Hospital.
Essie
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thank you everyone, now the Arthur married to the Elizabeth in 1880, also had a daughter rose, apparently born 1885 in islington England. then we have Arthur married to Hannah, they married in 1890 ?? (was it ??) bit confused again. their daughter rose also born 1885. hmmmmm.....I was thinking this Arthur was the same person, but birth and death dates are different...........oh I don't know now which rose is what, which rose is violets mother ??? so certificates I guess from here. thank to all for the help so far
hugs frm heather
hi. heather and I are still trying to find violet Elston birth details, I am wondering if you know where an unwed woman would have gone to have her baby in 1910 somewhere between colac and adelaide
Hello.
I am new to this site.
My grandmother was Violet Thelma Elston she was married to George Ross. And her mothers name was Rose. They come from Colac Victoria.
Cheers Gina Fairbrother.
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Hi Heather, Violet Thelma Elston was my grandmother. My cousin contacted me regarding this post. I don't think she had a birth certificate, my sister and I tried for years to find one but didn't.
Violet was born in 1910, not sure about her birthday as she died when I was 16.
May I ask why you are searching for her? Are you a long lost relative.
Regards
Sue
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Is this her birth in South Australia?
1910 ANDREWS Violet Thelma; Adelaide; Reg 842/136
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pis/
Cheers :)
CoL
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I don't blame you, Heather.....it's very confusing, so I think a certificate or two maybe in order. If only we could find Violet Thelma's birth!
After much searching, I have found a birth for a Rose around 1885 ....actually in 1884 in Milparinka, NSW, listed as Rose ANDREWS, with mother Hannah ANDREWS......just to throw a little more confusion into the saga! I haven't checked it on the NSW index yet, but no father is given, and ref number is 33128.
Dee :)
Hello Deeluka.
I am Violet thelma Elston/ Andrews grandaughter. My cousins and I are researching her as well. May I ask where you slot into her life?. Thanks Gina.
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The 1930 death notice for Hannah ELSTON at Colac states that she was the widow of the late Arthur H ELSTON of Apollo Bay and her children are Rose, Edith (dec), Arthur (dec), Robert (dec) Charles and grandaughter Violet ELSTON.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4230062
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1648610
ELSTON.- ln loving memory of Private Arthur Henry, of 57th Battalion, eldest son of Hannah Elston, of Apollo Bay, brother of Rose, Charles, and Violet, killed in action in France, 26th March, 1917, aged 24 years and 9 months.
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hi. heather and I are still trying to find violet Elston birth details, I am wondering if you know where an unwed woman would have gone to have her baby in 1910 somewhere between colac and adelaide
Hi
I would suggest Melbourne would be much closer to Colac? Lots of unwed mothers went to Carlton Women's Hospital.
Essie
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Hello.
My cousin has applied for Violet Thelma Elston birth certificate she was our grandmother. Might have further info. Cheers Gina.
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PROV Wills and Probates http://www.rootschat.com/links/01piy/
Hannah ELSTON Date of grant: 10 Feb 1931; Date of death: 01 Dec 1930; Occupation: Widow; Residence: Apollo Bay
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Hello everyone. Hoping for some help please. Looking for the parents of Violet Thelma Elston. born abt 1911. only trace I have found of her under her maiden name Elston , is in Colac electoral roll in 1931. Her death under her married name of Ross, says her mothers name was Rose. This is all I have. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
kind regards from Heather
Hi Heather.
Violet thelma Elston was my grandmother. And her mother was Rose. I have her birth certificate. May I ask where you fit in?. Thanks Gina.
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Violet Thelma ELSTON married Geo ROSS in 19Ref =
Dee :)
Hello. These are my grandparents. Violet was born in Adelaide SA.
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goodness we have births coming and going from england to australia back to England !!!!!!! also on trove a found a snippit that stated arthurs occupation as a hawker. not sure which Arthur though !!!!!!! (don't know whether i'm Arthur or Martha at the moment !!! little joke there !!!)
Hi Heather.
Violet was born in Adelaide and her mother ws Hannah Andrews.
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Hi Gina,
I'm searching for a friend who is the son of Violet. He was born in 1929 when Violet was 19 years old and has no record of his father (blank on the birth certificate). I assume this was before she married George....? He has never had any contact with any of his family. He has not found a birth record for his mother (which he was lead to believe was in SA), but a google search lead me here.
Can you tell me which children Violet had?
Kelly
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Hi Gina,
I'm searching for a friend who is the son of Violet. He was born in 1929 when Violet was 19 years old and has no record of his father (blank on the birth certificate). I assume this was before she married George....? He has never had any contact with any of his family. He has not found a birth record for his mother (which he was lead to believe was in SA), but a google search lead me here.
Can you tell me which children Violet had?
Kelly
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Hi Kelly,
I would love some more information about your friend who thinks that Violet is his mother. Violet was my nana too (Gina’s cousin) and her life has always been a bit of a mystery to us. I was only small when she died but she wouldn’t talk about her life or family to my mum. Violet had four children after she was married to George, one of them was my mum.
Anything you can share would help.