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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: lyn22 on Thursday 06 February 14 01:44 GMT (UK)
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My third great grandparents Convict James Diggins transported 1832 on Lady Harewood 2 he got his ticket of leave 1841 born 1815 England died 1879 N.S.W. They had 12 children first born 1852 N.S.W. Mary Keefe born 1833 Ireland ? died 1869 N.S.W. Australian Cemetery Index Cowra N.S.W Daughter of Michael Keefe and ??? married James Diggins. I cannot find a Permission to Marry or when they married or how Mary arrived in Australia might be Irish Famine Orphan arriving on the John Knox in 1850. Can anyone see something I have missed or point me in the right direction. I hope I have not asked this before. Thanks Lynette
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Hi Lynette,
If James served his full 14 year sentence he would have been free by 1846 so wouldn't have needed permission to marry after that year. Do you have a birth certificate for any of their children born after civil registration started in 1856? This should give a date and place of marriage which you can then check to see if the marriage actually happened. The birth cert. of the youngest known child is usually the best value as it will detail the numbers of children previously born to the couple.
It should also give Mary's place of birth so that you can look for an immigration record. There were two girls named Mary KEEFE on the 'John Knox' and neither named their father as Michael; both were from Co. Cork, one with parents Patrick and Ellen, the other with parents William and Elizabeth.
Debra :)
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You have probably seen this informative and detailed Obit for one of the sons, also James d 1936.
From the Burrowa News
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102509719
Mention of death
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102500294
Family Thank You for condolences
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/102509657
There are some In Memoriam notices as well.
Judith
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Hello Debra thank you for that I will get the youngest child birth certificate. Would there be much information on Mary's Death Certificate.
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Hello Judith I had not seen the notices from Trove I am not very good at finding records on there. It was lovely to see what a well liked man their son James was. I have saved the articles and will add them to my tree. Thank you for your time.
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Hi Lynette,
The amount and accuracy of information on a death cert depends on the knowledge of the informant. You can see here http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html what you can expect to see and the questions relating to place of birth, age and how long they lived in the colony are the most useful for finding an immigration record. The birth certificate would be more accurate regarding Mary's place of birth as the info would likely have been given by her or her husband. Often it will just say England or Ireland but at least you will know you have the right country.
Transcriptions are cheaper than official certs and contain the same information, details are here http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription
Debra :)
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Thank you Debra I will give it a go and see thank you for helping Take Care Lynette :)
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Hi Lynette,
Nothing on the marriage but
In August 1832 James Diggins (Lady Harewood), weaver, allocated to W. B. Carlisle, Hunter River.
Gerry
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Thank you Gerry I will see what I can find on W. B.Carlisle. James trial was at the Old Bailey and I have the record from his trial November 1831. He stole a parcel that had 2 pieces of paper and 14 pairs of drawers. It was his second offence and in April the same year he was caught by the same Policeman using the name of James Thompson he stole a book. He did not seem to get in to any trouble here in Australia that I have found. PS I love my Convict relatives I always say that is were I get my strength from. Take Care Lynette
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He would have been Dr William Bell Carlisle/Carlyle, he was granted 2000 acres in 1828.
Land holder were often allocated many convicts and the Henter area was in growth at that time so many convicts went there.
1837 Convict Muster has James Diiggins allocated to G. G. Clark at Invermein, Hunter River.
Gerry
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For some reason I can't find a Certificate of Freedom for James Diggins, his Ticket of Leave was issued in October 1841 for the Scone Area, which generally meant that he would be restricted to the Scone area with conditions until a Certificate of Freedom was granted.
here was unclaimed letters for a Jas Diggins of Scone being held at the Sydney GPO in March 1848 which indicates that he was in the area around that time, about the same time his Certificate of Freem would have been due.
Gerry
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hello Gerry I only have the Ticket of Leave silly me thought they were the same thing. James died in 1879 at Yass and Mary died in 1869 at Burrowa they are buried at Burrowa Cemetery. The first child my 2nd Great Grandmother Rosannah was born in 1852 at Scone and and the second last of the 12 children Ann was born at Binalong. I am not very familiar with were these places are in N.S.W. Take Care Lynette
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Lynette,
Official Parish record V 1852 2110 69/1852
Rosannah Diggins was born 29th June 1852 and baptised November 16th 1852 in the R.C Church in the Parish of Northumberland NSW.
Father was James Diggins, labourer and mother, Mary Keeffe of Scone.
I have a copy of this baptism record that I found today at the Qld State Library, PM me your email address and I'll send it on.
Gerry
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Hi Lynn
If you Googlemap them you will see where they are. Scone is north west of Newcastle in the Hunter and is about 450k from Yass, Boorowa (as it now is) and Binalong, so they travelled a long way.
Yass is on the Hume Highway, and is about 60k north of Canberra. Boorowa is about 60k northwest of Yass, with Binalong about halfway between Yass and Boorowa.
Do you ahve the death certs for James and Mary? You may find that it is only the registration that took place in Yass. It's tempting to see the place the place of registration as the place the event happened. I note on the NSW BMDs that Mary's place of death is listed as Binalong, as are what would seem to be two of their sons - Henry d 1867 and William d 1871.
Cheers, Judith
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Thank you Gerry that was very kind of you have sent you a PM. Hello Judith I have not got the Death certificate yet. Money is a bit tight at the moment my son has been ill and I have not been able to work. But they are on my to do list. I will google the places. Take Care Lynette
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Hi,
There is an RC baptism record for Rosannah in 1852 but we can't find a marriage as yet for James & Mary, nor can we find a Certificate of Freedom for James as yet either, I would not have thought that he would have been able to leave the Stroud area without his freedom.
Gerry
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Sorry I didn't mean to question you - just pointing out that sometimes the place of registration is not the actual place of the B, M or D. I do not see a headstone in this list for Boorowa cemetery, for any DIGGINS but the list only has those with headstones.
http://members.webone.com.au/~sgrieves/boorowa_cemetery.htm#Daly
Judith
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No offence taken Judith I just think it is fair to explain when people help you. When the chatters help me with my photos I always explain about the photo. There son James Diggins died 7th May 1936 Buried Boorowa RC B 951 this is from Ancestry and he is not on the list either. Gerry no I have still not found a marriage or a Certificate of Freedom and thank you for the baptism record you sent me. Take Care Lynette
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Hi,
Mary and James were also my third great grand-parents!
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Hello I am from their daughter Rose Hannah Diggins and husband Robert Snell then Great Grandparents are Mary Ann Snell and John Burton. What line are you from then we must be cousins Take care Lynette
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I'll need to check mine as I've just started this line. I have her as Rosanna(h) Diggins 1852-1940 married to Robert George Snell.
then my lineage is from your Mary Anne's brother William (6 years younger) and he married Margaret Doodey).
I do have a Rose Hannah in my tree (1887 - 1956). But I have her as the youngest daughter to Rosanna Diggins and Robert Snell, born in Queanbeyan and then married to John VB Malloy.
As I said, I'm just starting the line. At the moment I'm looking for clues as to whether Robert Snell left Rosannah Diggins and went to Victoria, and whether she remarried (possibly William Blanch).
appreciate if you think I have something incorrect in my line.
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Hello that all sounds right I have her as Rose Hannah her name seemed to change on some records she married William Patrick Blanch in 1901 NSW and they are buried together at Sandgate New South Wales Catholic Cemetery this is their grave. They had 4 children before they married. Robert did go to Victoria some trees have him as Robert George but the only records I have found he is just George. He went on to either marry or live with Annie Doolan I think they are buried at Yan Yean. I think if you have three posts I can send you a personal message with my email Take care Lynette