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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: nbrewer on Monday 17 February 14 07:05 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for information on a Lilian Brewer (nee Clarke) who is my grandfather's mother. he was born in Ashbourne July 1915 and I cannot seem to find anything on her.
Any information would help!
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hi there.... welcome to rootschat.
I assume this is the lineage you are chasing>
Desmond C Brewer [Clarke] Birth registered Sept quarter of 1915 at Ashbourne 7b 1260
the only marriage I could see was>
Allen Louis BREWER to a Lillie Clarke registered Dec quarter of 1903 at Wimborne 5a 605
that seemed to make any sense but not knowing the father of Desmond I could not clarify......
If you have the birth certificate could you put up the details of parents for Desmond, including occ etc as it was written ......
sorry I cant help at moment..... uk comes online in a few hours.....
:)
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Thanks fastfusion - baton received! ;D
Desmond Constantine Brewer, born 1915 had a sister:
September qtr 1913
Ashbourne district vol 7b, page 1385
Brewer, Blanche E A Mother's maiden name: Clarke
I don't think that marriage is correct?
I found a tree on Ancestry for that couple - and Blanche and Douglas do not feature! ::)
I would think that Desmond's mother was married before? So we won't find a Brewer/Clarke marriage?
We really need the father's forename from the birth certificate!
Or his Australian death certificate?
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however there are other things online which seem to indicate the marriage is the correct one. one states that desmond had 2 brothers and I sister and gave their names leading to the 1911 census of allan Louis brewer and lily . they are living in Salisbury and alan is an estate woodcutter.
this informant also states that desmonds sister amy married William cheesewright and emigrated to Australia too. the marriage to William cheesewright in Liverpool in 1942 gives it as blanche e a brewer
if this is the correct parents then lily states born 1878 cropton Nottinghamshire. I cannot find that place however.
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incidentally allan Louis mother was called blanche too. the brewere family is very easily traced back online.
however I assume you are only really interested in lily Clarke as you have specifically asked about her. perhaps you already know about the brewer family
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Aha! ;D
Marriage 10th October 1903, at St James, Aldershot
Allen Louis Brewer, 23, Bachelor, Carpenter, of Aldershot
Lilie Clarke, 24, Spinster, of Aldershot
His father: Tom Brewer, Woodsman
Her father: Samuel Clarke, Brewer
Witnesses: Alfred Taylor & Daisy Brewer
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wots this about batons???? ;D
vronlady >>>>> to make a start on finding Lily we had to first find the foundation material of the Brewers as there are many many brewer families in the world...some even brew their own.
So after all that can I assume the original answer I gave was of binding for this???? or was I off the mark?
;)
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fastfusion - I know we had to find the right brewer family to proceed
all I am asking is if the OP wants more info on the brewer family or whether she has this and is just interested in lily clark.
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just the Clarke line :)
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I think we are on the right lines, but we need OP to confirm.
There should be extra information on the Australian certificates that would help us. ;D
I saw on one tree that Desmond married in Scotland?!
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he may well have done. I can see him leaving London for Sydney in 1957 with wife and young daughter but can find no trace of the wedding in England or wales even thought I know the bride 's name and she was from Nottingham.
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I am so shocked to see what has happened overnight. I am overwhelmed with information, thank you all so much. If the Brewer side is easy to follow back I would love as much about Allen Louis as you can get me, no one knows where they came from as my dad's family dont talk - I am interested though :)
I think Desmond was married prior to Sandra Edwina Margery Lanchbury (my grandmother) he went to war for a year and came back and his first wife was 3 months pregnant! WHOOPES!
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Allen Louis BREWER is registered as Births June quarter of 1881 at Wimborne 5a 266
we know the father was Tom Brewer from the marriage>
so on assumption without a census I am laying odds on fathers marriage being>
Tom Challice Brewer marrying Exeter 5b 205 in Dec quarter of 1880 to either Ellen Elizabeth Brooks or Elizabeth Harry............
and if that is the father then his birth cert reg ref is>
March quarter of 1858 "Brewer Tom Challies" at St Thomas [5b 66 ]
Tom C may have remarried in 1913 or so and died in 1956,,,,,, those one can find on freebmduk
as for sibs etc etc one needs census to plot them and movements
I believe the Allen L marriage may have been Banns???????????
marriage banns> https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZMC-YBY
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KZMC-BY1
with the fathers name of "lily" the census set will have to be found to see if there are any sibs and also to affirm the mother of the child, because there are way too many Lily Clarkes on bmd.... although I would speculate on the one listing for Fareham.??...??? Not going there til I see some census..... and I think there even may namesake married for the parents of Lily...... a thought anyways...
another thought> if the movement to Australia was in 57 that would make sense cos Tom C Brewer died in 1956........
:)
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A possibility for Desmond's first marriage?
December qtr 1940
Brecknock district vol 11b, page 205
Brewer, Desmond C
James, Phyllis M
Desmond had more siblings!
Unfortunately some of them died early. :(
All born in Wimborne district:
June qtr 1908 vol 5a, page 227
Brewer, Winston Spencer
June qtr 1907 vol 5a, page 225
Brewer, Alan Louis died the same quarter,aged 0
December qtr 1910 vol 5a, page 198
Brewer, David Lloyd
I think the other child would be this one?
March qtr 1905 vol 5a, page 225
Brewer, Helen Gladys who died June qtr 1907, age 2
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This is from the 1881 census - which has Lily of the right age, and born in Cropwell - which is what she declares on the 1911 census. Father's occupation is about right
BUT father isn't Samuel?!
Class: RG11; Piece: 3382; Folio: 47; Page: 9
Plough Inn, Cropwell Bishop, Nottinghamshire
Clarke, William Head M 28 Publican b Cropwell Bishop
Clarke, Betsy Wife F 23 b Harby, Leicestershire
Clarke, Gertrude Daughter F 6 Scholar b Cropwell Bishop
Clarke, Florence Daughter F 4 b Cropwell Bishop
Clarke, Lily Daughter F 2 b Cropwell Bishop
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the brewers
1891
Name: Allen L Brewer
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1881
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Tom Brewer
Mother's name: Blanche Brewer
Gender: Male
Where born: Crepplesko, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Cranborne
Ecclesiastical parish: Alderholt St James
Town: Alderholt
County/Island: Dorset
Registration district: Wimborne
Sub-registration district: Cranborne
Tom Brewer 56 woodman
Blanche Brewer 49 postmistress
Lillian Brewer 18
Ernest Brewer 16
Allen L Brewer 10
Edith D Brewer 6
Arthur W Brewer 2
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1635; Folio: 31
1881
Name: Alan Newton Brewer
Relationship to Head: Son
Father: Tom Brewer
Mother: Blanche Brewer
Gender: Male
Where born: Cranborne, Dorset, England
Civil Parish: Cranborne
County/Island: Dorset
Street address: Cripplestyle
Registration district: Wimborne
Sub-registration district:Cranborne
Tom Brewer 44 woodman
Blanche Brewer 39
Jesse Brewer 17 woodman
Lillie Brewer 8
Ernest Brewer 6
Lucy Blanche Brewer 2
Alan Newton Brewer
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2090; Folio: 45; Page: 6
Name: Allen Louis Brewer
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1881
Registration district: Wimborne
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 266
1871
Name:Jesse Brewer
Age:7
Estimated birth year:abt 1864
Relation:Son
Father's Name:Thomas Brewer
Mother's name:Blanche Brewer
Where born:Verwood, Dorset, England
Civil Parish:Cranborne
Ecclesiastical parish:Cranborne
Town:Holwell
County/Island:Dorset
Registration district:Wimborne
Sub-registration district:Cranborne
Thomas Brewer 35 labourer
Blanche Brewer 29
Jesse Brewer 7
Wilhemina Brewer 5
Christianna Brewer 2
Harry Brewer 13 nephew
Elizabeth Brewer 70 mother
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 1980; Folio: 49; Page: 7
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marriage
Name: Tom Brewer
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1861
Registration district: Wimborne
Inferred County: Dorset
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 475
Tom Brewer
Blanche Ferrett
1861
Name:Tom Brewer
Age:24
Estimated birth year:1837
Relation:Son
Father's Name:David Brewer
Mother's name:Elizabeth Brewer
Where born:Verwood, Dorset, England
Civil Parish:Cranborne
County/Island:Dorset
registration district:Wimborne
Sub-registration district:Cranborne
David Brewer 58 independent minister
Elizabeth Brewer 61
Tom Brewer 24
Harry Brewer 3 grandson
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 1335; Folio: 64; Page: 22
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1851
Cranborne
David Brewer 48 local independent preacher and labourer
Elizabeth Brewer 50
Jesse Brewer 26
Elizabeth Brewer 18
Tom Brewer 14 b Cranborne
Caroline Brewer 12
HO107/1854/162 p1
1841
Cranborne
David Brewer 35
Elizabeth Brewer 40
Jesse Brewer 15
Henry Brewer 14
Mary Brewer 11
Elizabeth Brewer 8
Tom Brewer 4
Caroline Brewer 2
HO107/287/ 10/ 11 Page 16
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David Brewer m Elizabeth Nicklen 20 Sep 1823 Cranborne, Dorset
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death of david
David Brewer Sep qtr 1861 Wimborne RD ref 5a 147
David Brewer buried 1 Jul 1861 Cranborne age 59
his baptism
David Brewer bp 13 Jun 1802 Cranborne son of Thomas & Ann Brewer
elizabeths death
Elizabeth Brewer buried 3 Nov 1875 Alderholt age 76
her baptism
Elizabeth Nicklen bp 8 Dec 1799 Cranborne, Dorset, daughter of James & Elizabeth Nicklen
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all the above should be verified by certificates really starting with allan Louis brewers birth certificate
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I wonder if Allen was in the Army?
How else did he and Lillie meet?! ;D
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Name:
Blanche Brewer
Birth Year:
abt 1842
Age:
85
Burial Date:
8 Dec 1927
Parish:
Alderholt
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I agree that the birth certificate needs to be purchased first ........... at least one line of the Brewers has been traced.......
I agree military may have been possible meeting..... out on the town and there she was the girl he would marry.......
...... and they all lived happily ever after...... yep go with the flow.. :)
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strange how he went from Allen Louis Brewer in one census to Allen Newton Brewer in the next with same parents.........uuuummmmm
wonder who the Daisy brewer was... who was the witness at the marriage????
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Thank you all so much, this has started an obsession now! Thanks a lot haha.
I agree about how they met :) Army would be sweet.
I want to know how Daisy is too!!!
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I agree that the birth certificate needs to be purchased first ...........
Is there no information on any of the Australian certificates?
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an ernest james brewer married a Theresa daisy lambert in Christchurch hampshire ( very close by and where the bride is from) in 1898. she appears on 1911 census with him as Daisy and in other census before marriage as daisy lambert. is this Allens brother ernest?
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the one thing I did notice was the occupation of the targets hubbie weren't mentioned...... maybe that could have leads to how they met...... ;),.....excepting carpenter on marriage
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It is possible that the couple met because the groom moved to the East Midlands for better paid work. As he comes from woodsmen, it might make sense, as the central hub of the railway was in SE Derbyshire, from 1839 onwards. Presumably, sleepers were made locally, along with the wagons and other ancilliary industries?
Also, the Lace industry was expanding, with large mills being built.
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I am the daughter of Desmond and Sandra Brewer, grand daughter of Allen and Lillian
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nbrewer, natasha i have all this info and more, aunty tess