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Title: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Tuesday 18 February 14 15:59 GMT (UK)
Does  anyone  know  what this is?

It  has  numbers on a  dial  and  account  payee.  I  cant  get  it  to  work  so  not  sure  what  it  actually does.

Thanks

Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Tuesday 18 February 14 16:02 GMT (UK)
Too much cropping on the picture posted. Cannot see the object clearly.

Regards

Malky.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Tuesday 18 February 14 16:07 GMT (UK)
 Have  edited.  Is  is  ok  now?
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: barryd on Tuesday 18 February 14 16:12 GMT (UK)
Does it have a maker's name or country of origin??

Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Tuesday 18 February 14 16:26 GMT (UK)
no
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Treetotal on Tuesday 18 February 14 16:36 GMT (UK)
Looks like it would punch holes into something...there is a groove where perhaps paper or card could be slotted in and by lowering the handle to cut or punch through....or stamp something on it. I thought at first it might be a clocking on machine but the there doesn't seem to be a pattern to the numbers!
Carol
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Tuesday 18 February 14 16:54 GMT (UK)
Looking at it, it has a roll of paper inside, which starts at 2000 top lever actions, and works down, the side plate dial being a reference of how many actions there are left. Below, is a lever setting to Account Payee, Open or "C" for closed. Can you show us further photographs from the different sides, including the underside.

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Tuesday 18 February 14 17:12 GMT (UK)
Have taken off the bottom  has an onk roll  acc payee written on one bit  also looks like numbers can be printed  so i suppose it prints account paid.  Its very heavy and stored in an old purpose mafe oak box.  I suppose it was locked away so people could not print own receipts
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 10:26 GMT (UK)
What an odd sequence of numbers, though.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 19 February 14 10:32 GMT (UK)
That puzzled me too?
Carol
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 February 14 10:43 GMT (UK)
Is it possibly used to print cheques?

How big a sheet of paper goes in the slot?
Is the handle a guillotine blade? Or is just to apply pressure?
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 19 February 14 11:37 GMT (UK)
It has to do with the relationship of the length of the printed receipt and the diameter of the paper roll. The larger the diameter, the less distance the roll has to travel around as it turns and pays out the receipt. ie at 2000 sheets left, the roll may just revolve once, but at 20 sheets left, the roll may have to revolve 3.6 times. It's in the gearing.

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 11:39 GMT (UK)
It doesnt  have a  paper roll.
Any  sheet size  can  go in  the  slot.

the  lever just presses  the  ink roll onto  the  paper.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 19 February 14 11:42 GMT (UK)
I mentioned earlier about the slot to slide paper in.
Carol
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 February 14 11:44 GMT (UK)
Maybe the dial marks the distance from the edge of a sheet of paper that "Account Payee" is printed?

And the odd numbers refer to differing formats of pre-printed cheques?

Do you remember having to write "Account Payee" or "A/c Payee" between the cross lines on a cheque? It meant that the cheque had to be paid into a bank account, and couldn't be cashed.


It's similar concept to those hole punches that you can vary according to sheet size? A4, A5, Legal, Letter, etc.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 11:46 GMT (UK)
It has to do with the relationship of the length of the printed receipt and the diameter of the paper roll. The larger the diameter, the less distance the roll has to travel around as it turns and pays out the receipt. ie at 2000 sheets left, the roll may just revolve once, but at 20 sheets left, the roll may have to revolve 3.6 times. It's in the gearing.

Regards

Malky

if that were the case, the intervals between the numbers would descend in a smooth curve. These don't. 

Interval between one number and the next.
200
300
200
60
140
90
65
75
120
50
100
40
25
15
20
30
18
22
20
24
16
17
9
9
8
17
5
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 19 February 14 12:24 GMT (UK)
It depends on the ratios of the internal gearing in relationship to the paper roll spool.

Regards


Malky
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 February 14 12:29 GMT (UK)
 ???  Except there isn't a paper roll?!
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 19 February 14 13:02 GMT (UK)
I wonder if it could be a Franking Machine?
Carol
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 13:56 GMT (UK)
Maybe the dial marks the distance from the edge of a sheet of paper that "Account Payee" is printed?

And the odd numbers refer to differing formats of pre-printed cheques?

I quite like that, except that the range of numbers is so large, from 5 to 2000. It's hard to see how they could be units of measurement.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:06 GMT (UK)
I was going to ask why then, if no roll of paper, there are directional arrows on the side on the ????? and looking at the knurling on the associated knobs, which would indicate that these are manually turned in a clockwise direction, probably to feed/tighten up a feed from a roll of paper, but I have decided not to.

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:22 GMT (UK)
Got it.

It''s a check (cheque) protector.

Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:27 GMT (UK)
When the dial is set to 2000, it prints the text "Not over Two thousand $2000" etc
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:29 GMT (UK)
I was going to ask why then, if no roll of paper, there are directional arrows on the side on the ????? and looking at the knurling on the associated knobs, which would indicate that these are manually turned in a clockwise direction, probably to feed/tighten up a feed from a roll of paper, but I have decided not to.

Regards

Malky

Good call :) Maybe the knurled handles tighten up a print ribbon.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:31 GMT (UK)
Wow thats fab .  Wish mine looked more like that.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:32 GMT (UK)
Yours might be worth something.

Mike

Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:32 GMT (UK)
Nice work Mike...we can all stop scratching our heads now...how much do you want for it Andrea  ;D
Carol
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:33 GMT (UK)
I have one of these though
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:35 GMT (UK)
And one of these
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:35 GMT (UK)
That's another cheque protector! I've just seen some images of those.

Mike
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:36 GMT (UK)
Is the third one a flower press or a mini printing press?
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:36 GMT (UK)
Is it possibly used to print cheques?

How big a sheet of paper goes in the slot?
Is the handle a guillotine blade? Or is just to apply pressure?

S'wot I said earlier! Kind of!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:41 GMT (UK)
Wrong
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: trystan on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:43 GMT (UK)
Pretty close though - it was something for printing on cheques.  :P
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:46 GMT (UK)
The 2nd and 3rd photos have nothing to do with cheques
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:54 GMT (UK)
The 2nd and 3rd photos have nothing to do with cheques
Ah, OK. What is number 2 then? I thought it looked rather like one of these (there are lots of similar designs)

Mike
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 14:58 GMT (UK)
No 2 embosses a mark on paper.
No3 is a book press and a rather beautiful one.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:01 GMT (UK)
No 2 embosses a mark on paper.

What sort of mark?

Nice collection.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:13 GMT (UK)
A bit bigger than a 2p  wont let me post picture
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:16 GMT (UK)
Andrea is your photo bigger than 500kbs?....lovely collection I must say.
Carol
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:19 GMT (UK)
A bit bigger than a 2p  wont let me post picture

And is it a design? I wonder if it's for marking the flyleaf of a book, or a letterhead.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Treetotal on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:21 GMT (UK)
Is it like a personal seal or logo to be impressed  onto note paper?
Carol
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: jess5athome on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:44 GMT (UK)
Wow! that's a beautiful book press, the other one I think, as already mentioned could be for putting embossed marks into paper, official letters, company seals etc.

Frank.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: andreabro on Wednesday 19 February 14 15:53 GMT (UK)
Done
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Wednesday 19 February 14 16:22 GMT (UK)
Lovely.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: jess5athome on Wednesday 19 February 14 16:57 GMT (UK)
Stunning, presumably they would emboss their paperwork with it.

Frank.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Sinann on Wednesday 19 February 14 21:32 GMT (UK)
No 2 is a company seal, they still make them quite pretty like that one if you want.
Title: Re: Strange object
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Wednesday 19 February 14 23:16 GMT (UK)
"It''s a check (cheque) protector."

Well done Mike. As it turns out, I was fishing in the wrong pond.

Regards

Malky