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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: Lisa in California on Saturday 22 February 14 20:36 GMT (UK)
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I started researching my ancestors when I was in college. I've stopped and started through the years, as time permits. I've been consistently researching since the purchase of our first computer.
Due to help I received this week with my Parker and Cooper ancestors, this morning I took another look at my Vaus ancestor's will. (I had hit numerous brickwalls in the past and gave up searching for my Vaus ancestors.) I was told by relatives that our ancestor, William Vaux, was born in France and lived for a short time in England before settling in Canada. They were incorrect about the time frame.
According to records I've obtained:
William Vous married Bettie/Betty Francis in 1748 in Itchingfield.
William Vaus was a church warden for St. Mary the Virgin in Shipley in 1756. He may have been a church warden during other years as well.
William Vaus/Vaux and Bettie/Betty had at least four children: John, William, Thomas, Elizabeth.
William Vaus died in 1796 (in Horsham, I believe).
Bettie/Betty died in 1797, Shipley. We believe Bettie was born in 1727. We have additional information about her.
From the 1796 will of William Vaus
Mr. Vaus left his three sons and daughter property and money. He equally divided among the children "remainder of my corn cattle husbandry tarble(?) and shark(?) in trade..."
He also referenced:
"...and all appurtenant tenements belonging(?) situate lying and being at Monks(?) Gate in the parish of Nuthurst and now in the ? or occupation of Tho. Halloway..."
William had additional property in
Brook's Green parish of Shipley in the tenure? or occupation of Tho Tullet(?)
Parish of Shipley in the tenure? or occupation of Thomas Baron
Found a few minutes ago:
Martha Vaus married Thomas Holloway 22 Feb 1757, Nuthurst
Rose Vaus married William Turner 21 Apr 1757 Nuthurst
Christening
William Naice or Vais. 27 Aug 1718, Nuthurst. Father John Naice or Vais. Mother Elizabeth.
Roas Voice or Naice. 2 Apr 1724, Nuthurst. Father John Voice or Naice. Mother Elizabeth.
Martha Voice or Naice. 16 Jun 1725, Nuthurst. Father John Voice or Naice. Mother Elizabeth.
Is it just wishful thinking - coincidental, or could my William Vaus actually be the son of John and Elizabeth? Opinions greatly appreciated. Thank you for reading this long post. Lisa
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Looks good to me Lisa, Shipley is within walking distance of Nuthurst (5 miles or so). Dates seem to be ok also. We all know how the spelling of surnames can be distorted within the same family...
I would put a note against the family saying something on the lines of "Best match for names, dates and location' if you're still unsure.
Suey
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Hi Suey:
Sorry it took so long to reply; my computer crashed, yet again.
Good idea about the note; I will be sure to add one.
I will continue to search around for more information about these people. Thank you for your thoughts; it is appreciated.
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Additional information found tonight:
John Vause married Elizabeth "Sheffeild" 7 Jan 1710, Slaugham, Sussex.
According to information I received a few years ago, this couple was of Nuthurst, Sussex at the time of their marriage.
Possibly the children of the above couple? Baptisms:
Elizabeth Nave, 5 Oct 1712, Nuthurst. Parents John Nave and Elizabeth
Mary Nave, 5 Oct 1712, Nuthurst. Parents John Nave and Elizabeth
Rose Naice, 17 May 1714. Nuthurst. Father John Naice
John Naice, 28 Dec 1715, Nuthurst. Parents John Naice and Elizabeth
William Naice or Vais, 27 Aug 1718, Nuthurst. Father John Naice or Vais
Hannah Naice, 2 Feb 1720, Nuthurst. Parents John Naice and Elizabeth
Ann Naice, 6 May 1722, Nuthurst. Parents John Naice and Elizabeth
Roas Voice or Naice, 2 Apr 1724, Nuthurst. Parents John Voice or Naice and Elizabeth
Martha Voice or Naice, 16 Jun 1725, Nuthurst. Parents John Voice or Naice and Elizabeth
Possibility for Elizabeth, the mother:
Elizabeth Sheffield, baptised 16 Jan 1684, Cuckfield, Sussex. Parents William and Mary
Still nothing that proves these people were my ancestors. :-\
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Hi again Lisa :)
Just adding to your information from the Sussex Marriage Index (SMI)
Martha Vaus to Thomas Holloway. He was a husbandman & they were both of this parish (botp) marriage was by banns (b)
Rose Vaus to William Turner. He was a carpenter & botp. Marriage by banns.
William Vaus to Elizabeth Francis. botp.
Jane
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John Vaus to Elizabeth Sheffield. He was from Nuthurst. Elizabeth was a spinster & 'of the same parish' (which I take to mean she was also from Nuthurst) Marriage was by licence,
Jane
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Re William Vaus died 1796. Lisa, does it say on his will, 'of Horsham'? Just been looking for his burial on Horsham pr's without much luck. Have you a date for when it was proved?
He equally divided among the children "remainder of my corn cattle husbandry tarble(?) and shark(?) in trade..." At a guess I would say that reads, 'and STOCK in trade'.
Jane
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Hi Jane:
I had renewed interest in the Vaus line after I received your help and help from the others. :)
I looked at some of my notes after my last post and I believe William Vaus died in Shipley. I have a photocopied image of a burial page that includes "Betty Vaus Widow 31 Mar 1797". At the bottom of the page is Fillary P. Clerk. At that time, we were not able to find a burial for William Vaus.
From the will:
"William Vaus of the parish of Shipley in the County of Sussex Yeoman.."
The will was signed on the fourth(?) day of Aug(?) 1788. Mary Turner? made her mark. I suppose it's a stamp mark, but under a dark circle on the page is Belcham__ Fillary? (it was possibly his signature as the writing is different than other writing on the page).
The page is difficult to read but it looks like:
"This will was proved? by virtue? of a special? commission? before M. William Ja______? clerk surrogate on the 9th? day of April in the year of our lord 1796..."
"Stock in trade" makes sense but the writing is closer to shark than stock. ;D The man had small but precise writing otherwise. ;)
Regarding the SMI:
Thank you so much for the additional information!
From England Select Marriages: William Vous married Betty Francis 16 March 1748, Itchingfield.
From SMI: William Vaus to Elizabeth Francis. May I ask if they were of Nuthurst or Itchingfield, please? (Apologies for my confusion)
John Vaus to Elizabeth Sheffield - thank you for finding it!
It is incredible to think that I might actually be able to go back another generation with my Vaus ancestors. I think I still need to find more facts before I can be sure that John Vaus and Elizabeth Sheffield were William Vaus' parents. :-\
I really appreciate the help I have received. Out of all of my ancestors, this line is my second favourite. :)
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According to (my) old records, William Vaus was buried on 8 February 1796 in Shipley.
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William & Elizabeth Francis were married in Itchingfield.
The Land Tax Redemption for 1798 (on Ancestry) shows William Vaus occupying land in Shipley belonging to Samual Blunt Esq. The amount paid was in excess of 20 pounds, so quite a considerable holding. Might this have been William son of William who died in 1796?
It might be a good idea to explore a little into the Sheffield side of the family. Perhaps there is a will of Elizabeth's father naming grandchildren?
Jane
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Hi Jane:
William Vaus had a son (grandson and greatgrandson) named William Vaus. His son was married in Shipley in 1794, died in 1839 and is on a Shipley burial page, but his "abode" at the time of his death was Horsham. (Grandson William Vaus was the one who married into the Cooper/Parker line mentioned in a previous thread.) ;)
Thank you for the suggestion of exploring the Sheffield side. I will do that. :)
I am still getting acquainted with Ancestry records; I had not yet seen the tax redemption records.
Thank you so much for your assistance. This means so much to me.
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Some 1785 Land Tax info
William Vaus occupied land owned by Samuel Blunt Esq in the Southwater, West part of Horsham. The rental was £3 10s.
John Vaus owned Church Farm in Itchingfield Rental £6 10s.
John Vaus occupied lands called Newhouse owned by Richard Dendy in Itchingfield. Rental £10 10s.
John Vaus occupied lands called Bashurst owned by John Shelley Esq in Itchingfield. Rental £21.
George Vaux owned lands in Rusper occupied by James Chapman. Rental £25.
In Shipley there us a William Vans(mistranscribed Vaux?) occupying land owned by Samuel Blunt Esq. Rental is £104 13 4d.
The following Vaus headstones are at Shipley
James son of William & Sarah died 16th Nov 1799 aged 8 months.
Elizabeth wife of Joseph Vaus died Nov 16th 1829 aged 26 years.
Double Headstone
Sarah wife of William Vaus who died March 21st 1811 aged 35 years.
William Vaus who died June 1st 1839 aged 78 years.
Double Headstone
William Vaus who died 1796 aged 77 years.
Betty his wife who died March 1797 aged 69 years
Elizabeth daughter of William & Sarah
Regards
Sean
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Brilliant Sean :) Now Lisa has a rough birth date for this William Vaus.
Lisa, I have fiche of the pr's for Horsham (baptism's & burials) up to 1811 also Nuthurst up to 1812, Rusper & Warnham. Often there's an extra piece of info on the entry such as where they lived or an occupation which wouldn't find its way onto an entry in Familysearch. Let me know if you want anything looked up,
Jane
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My "newest" computer died a couple of months ago. We got my old "always crashing" computer to start again. It still crashes, but at least it works sometimes. My apologies for not replying after each post. I really appreciate the lookups, suggestions and help.
I have to leave for work in a couple of minutes, but I do want to acknowledge Sean's findings and Jane's continued help.
While a distant relative and I knew of one headstone in the churchyard, we didn't realize there were more! There is a good likelihood that we have found the correct William "Naice" who was baptised in 1718. Also, the year of birth for Betty leads me to believe I may have the correct Francis family as well.
Jane, I may take you up on your offer of help.
Thank you both so much!
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Lisa
If you need anything checked on the Shipley registers I can do that next time I go to the West Sussex RO, I can also see if there any more wills for your Vaus family.
Jan ;)
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On a break at work - typing quickly ;)
"Double Headstone
William Vaus who died 1796 aged 77 years.
Betty his wife who died March 1797 aged 69 years"
- William would have been born c1719
- Betty would have been born c1728
"Christening
William Naice or Vais. 27 Aug 1718, Nuthurst. Father John Naice or Vais. Mother Elizabeth"
- This could be "my" William, then.
Several years ago, someone was helping me with Newman/Francis information. It includes the possible parents of Betty:
Bettie married John Francis on 23 May 1725 in Shipley
Betty and John had three known children (baptism dates): Sarah 1727/28, John 1730/31, William buried 1737.
We don't know if Bettie/Betty was a fourth child, or possibly was actually Sarah. Or, perhaps this isn't the correct family!
Jan, I have a will for William Vaus (grandson of William Vaus 1718-1796); I didn't see it in my Vaus binder. ??? This Will was born in 1797 and died in 1846. He was a corn dealer of Walworth Road. I have not found a will for William Vaus (1761-1839).
Question: William Vaus' will (1796) refers to property in Shipley, etc. Since the Vaus' were occupying land (referenced in this thread), does it mean that the "property" in the will was not on Vaus property, but rather on "rented" property? (I hope that makes sense!!!)
Thank you all so much...back to work.
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It depends on how it was worded on the will, 'leasehold, copyhold or freehold' but my impression is that William rented the land/property from the owner,
Jane
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Sorry for the absence - real life got in the way of researching. ;) Thank you for replying, Jane.
copied from the will (I can't make out all of the words - guessing with some):
"...son John Vaus all that my freehold messuage? or tenement sand? garden and ____ and all appurtenant tenements belonging(?) situate lying and being at Monks(?) Gate in the parish of Nuthurst and now in the ? or occupation of Tho. Halloway..."
"...daughter Elizabeth...and my son William Vaus all that my copyhold messuage? or tenement garden and premises and all appurtenant throunts? belonging situate lying and being at Brooks Green in the parish of Shipley aforts? and now in the tenure? or occupation of Tho Cullett? jointly between them..."
"...son Thomas Vaus all that my freehold messuage? or tenement garden and premises and all appurtenant throunts? belonging situate lying and being in the parish of Shipley aforesaid? and now in the tenure? or occupation of Thomas Baron..."
Near the end of the will he mentions the corn cattle husbandry sentence that I quoted earlier in the thread.
So now I'm confused. Perhaps he was only referencing his property that was located on someone's land?
Any explanations greatly appreciated. :-[ Thank you.
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Found this that you might like to bookmark http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fordingtondorset/Files/Glossary.html
It should answer all of your questions!
In fact I've bookmarked it myself :)
Jane
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Hi Jane: Thank you for sharing the link. I've read through it and it does answer a lot of questions! I, too, will save it for future reference. Thank you. :)
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I've bookmarked it too. Thanks Jane :D
Lisa
I will have a look for Vaus wills next time I go to the RO. Let me know if you need any parish register entries checked.
Jan ;)
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Jan, thank you so much for the offer.
I would like to study all of the information in this thread to determine the probability that John Vaus/Vause and Elizabeth Sheffield were the parents of "my" William Vaus (c1720-1796) and to see if I can make sure that my ancestor was not the son of John Vaus, born 1715.
The last time I researched this family I didn't know of the existence of the other Vaus' in the area. I made a mistake once with my Ovens ancestor, believing him to be the son of someone only to find out many years later that while he most likely is connected to the Ovens family, he isn't the "son" (he possibly is a cousin). I don't want to make the same mistake twice.
May I ask, please, if it might be possible to find out anything about my Cooper branch? I have details about Mary Cooper (she married William Vaus' grandson) and can give you my details if you would be able to have a look.
Thank you very much for your kind offer of checking the wills and to look up a parish register entry. Lisa
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Hi Lisa
I've had a look at your Cooper thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=427082.0
I'm happy to see what I can find. If there are indexed transcripts for Shipley I can easily do a broad search but if I have to look at the fiche I'll need a clear idea of what you'd like checked please.
I can also do a check for Cooper wills as they are indexed.
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan:
Thank you so much for extending your offer for the Coopers. I will look through my notes to see if there is a need to look through the registers.
We are just on our way out; I will return to this thread later today. Of course I've stopped and started researching through the years, but I started researching around 1978 - finding additional information now is amazing. (It's been a long time) ;)
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Lisa
They have Shipley transcripts - a quick looks showed a lot of Coopers, so let me know if you need anything.
I looked through the various will indexes - apart from the 1796 one you already for William this was the only possible relevant one, perhaps a brother?
John Vaus yeo Itchingfield 1814 STC 1 /47 Pg568
They have the STC ref ones on fiche so I could take a quick look next time. Let me know.
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan: Thank you for having a look for me. I’ve had to stop concentrating on genealogy for a bit due to family issues. I am still trying to determine if the Vaus information that was found was for certain my Vaus’. I think I might concentrate on the Coopers again, and give the Vaus’ a rest for awhile. Thank you for your continued interest.
ps I will check out that John Vaus, though. :)
William's (born c1720) first son was named John - perhaps it could be his will.
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Just let me know if you want anything checked once you get back to your family history.
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan:
I posted a thread in the Old Photographs forum about the Vaus/Cooper "family bible" sheet, to see if anyone could date the handwriting, so my mind strayed a bit from this thread. A snippet of the sheet can be viewed here in case anyone would like to see my original source document. :)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=680451.0
Our family issues have settled a bit now, so I can once again concentrate on genealogy. :)
Thank you Jan for continuing to follow this thread. I hope to have a couple of names to look up within a day or two. Thank you again. :)
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Hello All,
I research all Vance, Vans, Vaus (and variants of the name) families - see http://genealogy.jvans.co.uk/intro.html where I have data on 23,500+ individuals. Now I've started on these Sussex Vaus references - does anyone have a fairly complete version they would give me to save me duplicating all your research (if I even can, you've all obviously got some depth to yours!)? I'd be most grateful.
Regards,
Jamie.
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By the way, I see there are a number of references to the name Varns (and similar) in Sussex. In Scotland, the reason that Vaus turned into Vans is that, with a long Scottish 'a' the two sound very similar. To this day in Wigtownshire where my Vans family comes from, the locals pronounce Vans as 'Varnce'.
Regards,
Jamie.
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Hi Lisa,
Long time since we last spoke.... I'm still researching the family tree and have diversified to try and find the William Vous/Vaus that is causing us consternation. I had found William Vaus of Nuthurst in 1718 (can't subsequently find at the moment) and was trying to verify it.
I think there is some link to the London Watermen Vaus', as Victor Sydney b 1877 is listed as Walthamstow, the rest are Sevenoaks.
Hope you are well,
Ian
On a break at work - typing quickly ;)
"Double Headstone
William Vaus who died 1796 aged 77 years.
Betty his wife who died March 1797 aged 69 years"
- William would have been born c1719
- Betty would have been born c1728
"Christening
William Naice or Vais. 27 Aug 1718, Nuthurst. Father John Naice or Vais. Mother Elizabeth"
- This could be "my" William, then.
Several years ago, someone was helping me with Newman/Francis information. It includes the possible parents of Betty:
Bettie married John Francis on 23 May 1725 in Shipley
Betty and John had three known children (baptism dates): Sarah 1727/28, John 1730/31, William buried 1737.
We don't know if Bettie/Betty was a fourth child, or possibly was actually Sarah. Or, perhaps this isn't the correct family!
Jan, I have a will for William Vaus (grandson of William Vaus 1718-1796); I didn't see it in my Vaus binder. ??? This Will was born in 1797 and died in 1846. He was a corn dealer of Walworth Road. I have not found a will for William Vaus (1761-1839).
Question: William Vaus' will (1796) refers to property in Shipley, etc. Since the Vaus' were occupying land (referenced in this thread), does it mean that the "property" in the will was not on Vaus property, but rather on "rented" property? (I hope that makes sense!!!)
Thank you all so much...back to work.
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Hi Ian:
Welcome to RootsChat! It has been a long time, but I periodically think of you.
I remember that we both had similar tales about when our ancestors arrived in England, even though our ancestors probably hadn't talked for at least 100 years (and therefore most likely didn't share stories). If we are correct that William was christened in 1718 in Nuthurst, then it is even more convincing that our family tales are wrong.
I believe I have several Vaus threads on RootsChat regarding the Vaus' (always trying to learn more about them), but at one point I was trying to find out more about a John Vaus:
Susannah Vaus (greatgranddaughter of William Vaus who was born c1718) and her husband, James Mumford, settled in Ontario, Canada in 1857. Living with them in 1861 was Emily Vaus, age 31, who was Susannah's sister. James was a Butcher.
Two pages after their census record is a John Vaus, Servant, born England, age 41. I don't know who he was, but he was living with a Barter Swaffield, Butcher. I don't believe Susannah had any brothers named John. It seems too coincidental not to have a connection. I've not been able to find John Vaus elsewhere. Note: There is a thread about this man, but I've not found him in Canada, yet, other than the 1861 census:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714896.0
I've not researched the London Vaus'. That might be an angle to try next. :)
It is good to hear from you again. I hope you are well, as well.
Lisa
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Hi Lisa,
I'd seen the post for the John Vaus and I have a few in my tree. They seem to come from London, mostly. Will have a look when I get a chance.
Ian
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Hi Inky
My VAUS ancestors came from London. I've not found a link to Lisa's lot yet.