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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Westmorland => Topic started by: Penberthy on Saturday 22 February 14 06:00 GMT (UK)
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Looking for Birth date and marriage date for John Harrison (want wife's name). He was born abt 1795 to 1805 Grasmere, Kendal, Westmorland. His daughter Elizabeth Harrison born abt 1819 to 1823 married Thomas Lee born 1820 Burneside in1841 in Kendal. They left for Australia in 1855. One of their children was named Agnes. Did John marry Agnes Dodd?
Thomas's parents were James and Ann Lee (nee Cragg) from Cragg's farm. Their daughter Annie called her house in Bendigo, Victoria, Australia "Grasmere".
I am interested in Stott Farm John Harrison. I don't think it is the Beetham Farm. There were many mayors named John Harrison. Any info on any family Harrison, Lee or Cragg gratefully accepted as I need a few clues to go further. I live in Western Australia.
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Hi
Welcome to Rootschat.
It might be an idea to start a new thread for your search as you have posted on the Cheshire Board
Is this the baptism that you have for Elizabeth?
Elizabeth Harrison
christening: 31 January 1819 Kendal, Westmoreland, England
residence: Kendal, Westmoreland, England
father: John Harrison
mother: Agnes Harrison
Heather
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Heather many thanks. How did I get on Cheshire Board? New to this!
Not sure if right one. Need Elizabeth's marriage certificate. Can't get through on family search.
Batch M39649-4 Film 1471687. I went the wrong way, into Cheshire instead of Lancastershire where John Harrison was born. It is warm and sunny 38 degrees in Perth Western Australia today. Good work.
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How do I get into Marriage Certificate for Thomas born 1820 and Elizabeth Lee (nee Harrison) married 1841 Kendal? Family search won't let me in Batch M39649-4 Film 1471687. He is the son of James and Ann Lee (nee Cragg) of Burneside.
Elizabeth daughter of John Harrison Grasmere. I think he was born 1796 son of Thomas and Sarah Harrison, but can't be sure if he married Agnes Dodd or Agnes Carradus both marriages 1815 or someone else. I need date of birth of Elizabeth from a certificate as there are so many.
Thomas and Elizabeth left for Victoria Australia in 1855. Annie their daughter lived in Bendigo and called her house "Grasmere". She married Abraham Roberts. Any info on Harrison, Lee or Cragg families would be appreciated. 38 degrees today from Perth Western Australia. Cheers!
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deleted - got confused by the topic of John Harrison, and the request for Thomas?
Are you looking for John Harrison, or Thomas Harrison?
Don't understand "Family search won't let me in Batch M39649-4 Film 1471687"?
The only marriage for Thomas Harrison on the batch number is 1837 to Margaret Lickabarrow?
Marriage certificates have to be bought (there is no way to see them first!) via GRO at a cost of £9.25.
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Or are you looking for the marriage of Thomas Lee to Elizabeth Harrison?!
The PR entry on FamilySearch shows no more information than you already have?
Ancestry shows the marriage taking place on 23rd January 1841 at Kendal.
1851 census: Class: HO107; Piece: 2442; Folio: 268; Page: 23
Dockray Hall Cottages, Kendal, Westmoreland
Lee, Thomas Head M 31 Dyer b Burnside
Lee, Elizabeth Wife F 32 b Kendal
Lee, Agnes Daughter F 9 At Home b Kendal
Lee, James Son M 7 b Kendal
Lee, Ann Daughter F 2 b Kendal
Lee, John Son M 4 months b Kendal
Clement, Leonard Visitor M 16 Pupil Teacher b Broughton, Lancashire
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Sorry to confuse you re John Harrison. I am really trying to find out more about him and his family. His occupation etc.
I need his daughter Elizabeth' DOB to ascertain who he married. I may have to get her Death Certificate in Australia. She died in 1911 in Bendigo, Australia.
Am delighted about Census for Thomas Lee. Many thanks.
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This is the family from 1841:
Class: HO107; Piece: 1163; Book: 3; Folio: 13; Page: 19
Far Cross Bank, Kendal
Harrison, John M 55 I. Turner (Independent?)
Harrison, Ann M 50
Harrison, James M 20 Labourer
Harrison, Margaret F 11
Lee, Thomas M 20 I.Dyer
Lee, Elizabeth F 20 All born in county
Remembering that, on the 1841 census, adult ages were generally rounded down to a multiple of 5 years.
Moderator comment: topics merged to keep information together.
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. Hi there, Census of 1841 good but confusing. Can only find one child Margaret born 1829 for John Harrison and Ann. Ann Nelson married a JH in 1828. I think it was his 2nd marriage.
I found Elizabeth born 31/1/1819 and James born 3/6/1821 to an Agnes (maybe Dodd). She married a John Harrison in 1815. There was a death of a Agnes on 17/6/1821. There may have been other children before this.
Is 1841 the first census? This is largely guesswork.
John was born 1786. So many John Harrisons it may be the end of the line for me. Was he a Mayor? Did he live at Stott Farm? Did any of the Harrisons go to America and become part of the famous family? With a Lee the other side perhaps I should do more searching.
Is there any history of the Harrisons in Grasmere and Kendal. They must be related one way or another as there are so many of them.
If you dig up any more let me know, otherwise thanks alot.
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There were other censuses before 1841, but they only show the numbers of males and females per dwelling - therefore of little us to us family historians!
The 1841 census was the first to be useful.
But, as I said, ages were rounded down to a multiple of 5 years (so John's age was between 55 and 59!) and there is no relationship to the Head of household.
Before 1837, when Civil Registration started (Birth, Marriage and Death certificates) you are going to have to rely on Parish Registers, and other local documents!
That's the fun of Family History! Digging around yourself and finding answers! ;D
Good hunting! ;D
Try FamilySearch, or a visit to Kendal Record Office?
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Now think John Harrison born abt 1786 from 1841 census as he was 55 yrs. Was Far Cross Bank in city or country? Need something to go on really.
Is there a census 1841 for James Lee who married Ann Cragg in 1818?
It is a long way for me to come to Kendal County Office. I might get there in a year or so. Thanks.
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Now think John Harrison born abt 1786 from 1841 census as he was 55 yrs.
Sorry? I don't understand this sentence? I have already told you (twice) that ages were rounded down on the 1841census?
Was Far Cross Bank in city or country? Need something to go on really.
GenUKI says: The village of FAR-CROSS-BANK in the township of Scalthwaite-Rigg, forms a suburb of Kendal.
And this from a history of The Duke of Cumberland public house: The Duke of Cumberland is the first and last pub on the North Eastern entrance\exit to and from Kendal. It sits at the junction of Shap Road and Appleby Road. This area used to be called Far Cross Bank. Shap Road was Far Cross Bank West, and Appleby Road was Far Cross Bank East. At the junction of these roads, a medieval cross once stood.
Isn't it amazing what Google turns up?
Is there a census 1841 for James Lee who married Ann Cragg in 1818?
I'm not seeing such a couple in Kendal, in 1841?
It is a long way for me to come to Kendal County Office. I might get there in a year or so. Thanks.
Unfortunately, your profile doesn't mention where in the world you are based? So I have no idea how far from Kendal you are? ;D
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I live in Western Australia. I think you last reply unhelpful and abrupt. First time I mentioned 1796, 2nd time abt 1786. Harrisons were also related to Bensons but I will cease contact.
Annie Lee nee Harrison married wealth in Victoria Australia. Her husband returned to England 6 times to visit Grasmere and also Cornwall to take back miners for his Iron Foundry in Bendigo.
My family had asked me being the oldest family member to find out more. Maybe it is too difficult on this Roots Chat. I need a line where people help each other.
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I hardly think 5 replies, census returns, and other information was being abrupt & unhelpful? ???
Can we start with the dates that your family emigrated to Australia? And work backwards from that?
You really do need to be more precise ;D
For example, there are 64 John Harrison's in Westmorland on the 1851 census!
Another 137 in neighbouring Cumberland, and 760 in Lancashire!!
And I apologise if I don't understand the way you write your sentences! ;D
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Perhaps this is the Margaret mentioned in the 1841 census
Margaret Harrison
christening: 13 December 1829 KENDAL,WESTMORLAND,ENGLAND
father: John Harrison
mother: Ann
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This might be the James mentioned in 1841
James Harrison
christening: 3 June 1821 Kendal, Westmoreland, England
residence: Kendal, Westmoreland, England
father: John Harrison
mother: Agnes Harrison
This christening took place 2 weeks before the death of Agnes that you mentioned earlier. Did she die shortly after giving birth?
Then there is this one ???
John Dodd Harrison
birth: 1838
christening: 1838 KENDAL, WESTMORELAND, ENGLAND
residence: 1838 Kendal, Westmorland, England
father: John Harrison
mother: Agnes
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John's second marriage?
John Harrison
marriage: 5 May 1828 Kendal, Westmoreland, England
spouse: Ann Nelson
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I might be wrong but I think that this is the John Harrison who married Agnes Dodd.
1841
Union Street, Kendal
John Harrison 45 Weaver
Agnes Harrison 40
Margt Harrison 15
James Harrison 15
Tho Harrison 15
Agnes Harrison 14
Alice Harrison 12
Isabella Harrison 10
Henry Harrison 8
Josh Harrison 5
Jno Harrison 2
Alfred Harrison 3 Mo
1163/2/44/15
1851
John Harrison 55 Inn Keeper
Agness Harrison 54
Mary Ann Harrison 31
James Harrison 26
Thomas Harrison 25
Agness Harrison 23
Alice Geldnerd 21
Henry Harrison 18
John Harrison 12 I think that this is John Dodd Harrison who is in Bolton in 1901
Alfred Harrison 10
150/2442/253/34
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After 8 years I am back looking for the parents of John Harrison who married Agnes ? about 1815. I thought it was Dodd but someone has taken that name. He was 55 in 1841 census in Kendal living at Far Cross Bank, a joiner. Born about 1785 to 1790. If I could find the MC would it mention father’s name of John in those days.
I have since noticed that two Harrison’s Thomas and Stephen of Kendal go all the way back to Benjamin Harrison 1594 founding father of America etc. Surely I have some DNA or not. Elizabeth, John’s daughter born 1819 married Thomas Lee in Kendal 1841, so I have Lee as well!!! Ann Lee married Abraham Roberts and are my ggrandparents. Abe’s son visited there in 1902, but I have never made it to see it. Annie named her house in Bendigo “Grasmere” as she must have been homesick.
Would like some help really. Regards, Diane Penberthy nee Roberts
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After a lot of searching I have found the parents of my John Harrison of Kendal. He was born 1790 to Anthony Harrison a Shearman and Dyer born 1758 and died 1806 and married to Ann Rowlandson. it states Thomas and Elizabeth being parents in family search, but there are three Elizabeth’s married in 1746, 1750 and 1755. Idle, Galloway and Chaplehow respectively to Thomas Harrison in Warcop where they are buried.
I think Thomas a Yeoman (farmer) and I cannot find his birthdate or his parents. It appears that why had many children, however it states another Anthony who died so I have to eliminate one, but who!
Is there a way of finding out more about him, as he would have been born 1720 plus I think?
I have studied fully the Harrisons from Thomas 1440 and Stephen 1446 from Kendal back to Benjamin Harrison born 1594 Northampton. The 1st President of USA. A definite connection. From Thomas 1440 back to the Vikings, so thousands with the DNA.
Pleas let me know if you can find the birth of Thomas of Warcop and his father? So many Harrisons.
Thank you,
Cheers,
Diane Penberthy
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Dismiss Anthony Harrison as not the one apparently. And also Agnes Dodd who has been taken.
Sorry for confusion.
I did find that an Agnes Carradus married John Harrison in 1815/6. They had Agnes then Elizabeth who married Thomas Lee in 1841, and James in 1821. Agnes died 2 months after having James. John married again in 1828 Ann Nelson. They had a daughter Margaret who went on to marry into Lee family, a relation to Thomas Lee.
Too many John Harrisons to find his parents.