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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Argyllshire => Topic started by: Karytay on Thursday 27 February 14 20:21 GMT (UK)
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I am looking for a Catherine Sinclair, this is the only info I have for her.
Born in Caradale, Saddell, Argyllshire
She was married to Captain Archibald Taylor b. 1795 in Saddell and Skipness, on the 26 February 1825 in Saltcoats.
Archie died in 1857 in Saltcoats. They had 6 children.
Can anyone help with birth dates for Catherine?
Thanks
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What year was she born?
What year did she die?
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Catherine Sinclair born at Caradale, Saddell, Argyllshire was given to me my a distant relative. But she did not know any more.
The Catherine Sinclair I had was born in 1801 at Kilkerrie Argyllshire according to the census of 1841.
I was told by set relative it was the incorrect Catherine.
So which Catherine is correct?
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Hi Karytay,
Could this be Catherine with Archibald and children on the 1841 Census -
Parish of Stevenson Address - Quay Street, Saltcoats.
Archibald Taylor 45 Merchant Seaman born Outside Census County
Catherine Taylor 40 born Outside Census County
Archibald Taylor 14 Merchant Seaman Apprentice born Ayrshire
Elizabeth Taylor 10 "
Annabella Taylor 8 "
Peter Taylor 6 "
Duncan Taylor 4 "
Margaret Taylor 2 "
Margaret Sinclair 25 Female Servant born Outside Census County
Grace Stalchar 10 born Outside Census County,
Ages on the 1841 Census can be a bit unreliable (especially for adults) . Enumerators were told to round down ages of anyone over 15 to the nearest 0 or 5. So Catherine above could be any age between 40 - 44 if she was honest about her age in the first place :)
No relationships are recorded on the 1841 so we can only surmise that this is a married couple with their 6 children. Margaret Sinclair could be a sister of Catherine?? And the child Grace - well no clue -maybe Margaret Sinclair's daughter?? But that's a guess.
Looby :)
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Hi looby
yes that's the one I found.
So now how do I go about finding more about her?
So she could of been born between 1801 and 1797
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You mention that Archibald Taylor dies in 1857 in Saltcoats. So you have that death certificate, or have you viewed the death record on Scotlands People. Depending on who the informant was and how much they knew that should mention whether Archibald was married/single or widowed, it should also have his wife's name. If Archibald is a widower at time of death , well you have a timeframe to search for her death.
To be honest I'm having a hard job locating the family on the 1851 Census :-\. I've found one or two contenders for the children but nothing that can definitely connect to the family on 1841. Naturally Archibalds snr and jnr could have been at sea at Census time as could the two younger sons.
But finding out Archibald's marital status at the time of death is a good start. Also who registered his death?
Yes Catherine's year of birth could be between 1797 and 1801, if she or the person who gave the information to the enumerator gave the correct age in the first place!
Looby :)
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Found this - Catherine born about 1791, Caradale Saddell, Argyle
Married to Archibald on the 26 Feb 1825
Father John Sinclair
Census 1851
Residence Kilarrow Argyll age 60 servant
Census 1871
Residence Killean and Kilchenzie Argyll relationship to head Mother age 80.
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When you say found this , what have you actually found and where did you find it?
There are a few Catherine Sinclairs being born 1790/1810 in Argyll
Have you looked at originals and not transcriptions?
Looby :)
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Thanks Karytay for Personal message with Archibald's death certificate.
So the bad news is Archibald was a widower when he died.
First box reads Taylor (Duncan scored out and replaced with) Archibald
Formerly Shipsmaster.
(Widower)
He died 8th August 1857 6.50 am at Hamilton Street Saltcoats age 63
Father - Duncan Taylor , Shoemaker? deceased
Mother - Anna Taylor, maiden name Campbell Deceased.
I can't quite decipher cause of death yet, or where buried.
The informant was Margaret Sinclair - sister-in-law Present (ie. she was present at death.)
The record is then signed by Charles Marshall ? the registrar.
So Catherine Sinclair/Taylor is dead by 1857. :(
Looby :)
Added Margaret Sinclair has put her cross (mark) to the record. She was not able to write her name.
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Thanks looby, glad you could read that :D
So that means the info I have of the census 1871 is wrong.
And census 1851 is a ?
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I have not seen the original census only a transcript from Family Search :(
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I'm not sure but I think cause of death was Vascular Debility or Muscular Debility -4 Months signed by Robert Rennie/Finnie (doctor) . I can't decipher the rest.
And buried at ?? Church, Saltcoats.
If you wish others to look at this you can crop this portion and download it onto site. There is the deciphering board, where keener eyes than mine can usually work wonders!
As to the 1851 Census - I've had no joy finding any of the Taylor/Sinclair crew for sure. I wonder if Catherine was already dead :-\. As said before Archibald and the boys could be at sea. Will look a little more.
Looby :)
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Thanks looby you have done well
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There is an interesting entry on 1851-,
Panbrae Saltcoats
TAYLOR Margt Head Unmarried 30 Hand Sewer Muslin Argyllshire - Kintyre
TAYLOR Isabella Sister Unmarried 19 Hand Sewer Muslin Ayrshire - Stevenston Relationship changed from Daughter to Sister.
TAYLOR Margt Sister 12 Hand Sewer Muslin Ayrshire - Stevenston Surname not enumerated - presumed TAYLOR.
Wondered if this was relevant - there are a few ambiguities here :-\
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That is interesting!
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Struggling to find family members on the 1851 ::)
Are you descended from one of the Taylor children? If so which one please?
My thoughts on the three females on my last post -
There are 2 Margts (Margarets) who are sisters?
Margt Taylor born Argyll, Kintyre - Kintyre is an area of Scotland - Saddell, Skipness and Carradale are in this area.
Isabella could be a mistranscription or an error. It could be Annabella Taylor.
There is confusion over the girls relationship. Dau scored out and replaced with sister ???
No-one fits the bill for Isabella and young Margt. on the 1841 Census.
Could this be Margaret Sinclair using the name Taylor living with her nieces while their father and brothers are at sea??
Looby :)
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Yes from Duncan Taylor born 1835 and died 2 Feb 1889 at sea. he drowned , he was first mate of the ship Roseneath that sank off Port Patrick
His wife was Marion Campbell born about 1844 died 2 Feb 1889, she and a young son Peter drowned with Duncan.
They had seven children, Marion Wilson Campbell Taylor b. 1866- 1950
Mary Fullerton Taylor b.1869- ?
Catherine Sinclair Taylor b. 1874 and died at the age of 11 Sep 1883 Gate House Western Infirmary
Kelvin, Glasgow
John Campbell Taylor b. 1874 -1956 (MY ancestor)
Archibald Taylor b1877- ?
Duncan Taylor b.1879-d.?
Peter Taylor b.1885-1889
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My goodness :o
What a sad end for Duncan, his wife and little Peter.
I wonder about Duncan's brother Peter. Can't locate him? Possibly he have died young too?
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Yes, the children ended up living with there aunt. Who was their mothers sister, Janet Campbell.
Peter Taylor b. 1833 -d.11 Jan 1883 at sea, he was a captain of the ship Loch Eck. It was only a couple of days from London when he died on board.
He was married to Susan Marr b. 1837 Leith Edinburgh, d. 1913 London and they married in Australia on the 20 Nov 1855
They had 9 children the 3 or 4 born in Australia.