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I have the will and final accounting of John Beggs who died in Maryland in 1875, with final accounting being apr 5, 1880. There was some money willed to Margaret Beggs, daughter of my Thomas Beggs.
According to a family tree also received from Maryland, Margaret married Robert Graham. I am thinking this marriage was after Apr 5, 1880 as Margaret was still referred to as Beggs in the final accounting.
A marriage of a Margaret Mabel Beggs to Robert Graham has been found for Jan 18, 1900 but I not sure if it is the correct couple as the venue is Hilltown Presbyterian Church in Clonduff Parish, Civil District Newry, Co. Down. I am thinking that Ballyeaston would be more likely. Can anyone find a different marriage for Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham? Thank you very much.
Peggy
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In the will - is she only referred to as Margaret - not Margaret Mabel. From the info you have of the family - was she born as Margaret Mabel or just Margaret? What year was she born?
I'm not familiar with the term final accounting - is it something like the English equivalent of probate?
If so - the names used would probably be the same as in the will so she could have married anytime between the date of the will and 1880 as well as post 1880 depending on her birthyear
Who is the tree owner - how have they sourced their info (eg) have they bought a copy of her marriage cert or are they in possession of some other documentary evidence to support a married name of Graham? Or - have they made "assumptions"
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Hi,
In the 1900 marriage the bride is listed as Margery Mabel Beggs.
Regards
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Hi
Peggy has that info as per post above.
However - there are a number of Margaret Beggs marriages and unless it can be proved that she was definitely born with the middle name of Mabel - it would be like searching for a needle in a haystack for the right marriage.
I have a feeling that the tree owner may have made assumptions about that marriage without any documentary proof that it is the right Margaret Beggs
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Hi,
The spelling is MARGERY and not Margaret.
Regards
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Whoops - sorry :-[
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Margaret was baptised as Margaret although two sisters had 2 first names, or a first and second e.g. Anna Logan Beggs and Mary Lawson Beggs.Margaret was born July 31, 1852 and baptised Sept 5, 1852 in Kilbride Presbyterian.
The aforementioned marriage was found once with the name Marjery Mabel and once with the name Margaret Mabel. I have no previous knowledge of the second name Mabel.
The documents regarding John's will included his will, an inventory, a first accounting in May 1876 which shows bills paid (Administration of will), and then final accounting on Apr 5, 1880 when the monies were disbursed. Is that same as probate? John named all the children of his brother Thomas (my Thomas) and his brother Robert, with the ones who had emigrated getting a bigger chunk than the ones who stayed in Ireland. Anyway, it proves to me that I have the correct will for the correct family, as I have all the same names in my tree. Robert and Thomas were both deceased before final accounting and so their amounts went to their respective children.
Along with the will, I received a family tree that someone had compiled, possibly D.R. Jordon, as the tree was attached to a skeletal ancestral chart which was compiled by D.R.Jordon, a direct descendant of Robert Beggs and Jane Waddell (this Robert is the brother of John and my Thomas). Previously, I did not have the names of some of the spouses of Thomas' daughters. The tree does not have sources. On this TREE, the spouse of Margaret Beggs is given as Robert Graham. In the FINAL ACCOUNTING of the will in 1880, Margaret is still named as Margaret Beggs whereas her sister Mary who had married James Robinson in 1872, is named as Mary Robinson. This is why I assumed that Margaret's marriage was after Apr 1880. Another sister Anna Logan Beggs is listed under her maiden name as well and Anna did not marry until Dec 1889.
Note, the tree owner/compiler does not mention the middle name of Mabel and the tree does not give sources.
Thanks everyone for all your help.
Peggy
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Hi Peggy
whereas her sister Mary who had married James Robinson in 1872, is named as Mary Robinson. This is why I assumed that Margaret's marriage was after Apr 1880.
What date did John Beggs write his will? If it was after 1872 that would account for Mary being shown under her married name
If he wrote it between 1872-1875 and Margaret married after he wrote it - it's unlikely he would have changed it just to show her married name
Guess the point I am making is that Margaret could have married at any time between the date the will was actually written and 1880 when it was finalised
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John's Will was written Nov 14, 1873. Margaret is not named specifically in the will, it is just stated that all the children of Thomas Beggs living in Ireland would share $3,500, share and share alike. Then in the final accounting in 1880, she is named as Margaret Beggs and gets 202.71, same as siblings Jane Beggs, John L. Beggs, Elizabeth Beggs, Mary Robinson, Thomas Beggs, Annie L. Beggs, and Susan Beggs.
I do understand what you are saying and it makes sense, but if Mary's married name is given in the final accounting, I am thinking that Margaret's would be as well, if she were married.
Thanks for all your help and thoughts in this matter.
Peggy
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That's fine - I didn't know that the children were not specifically named in the will hence my question. Yes - it would appear she could have married after 1880 but I don't think she married in 1900 - she would have been 48yrs old by then and anyway - she didn't have Mabel as her middle name.
In 1880 she was 28yrs old and I presume that her female siblings (apart from Mary) were also all unmarried by 1880 - is that correct?
If any of her other siblings (except Mary ) had married pre-1880 then that throws a spanner into the theory of a post 1880 marriage based on the Beggs surnames in the final accounting.
If she did marry post 1880 - you have a big problem as we don't know who she married.
And there is always the possibility she didn't marry at all but I think we can rule that out as she does not appear on the 1901/1911 census under Beggs
This is just one possibility - the reference numbers and quarter match
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWW-BZD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWH-6Z7
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Hi,
I can find two marriages for a Margaret Beggs in Ballyeaston First Presbyterian Church after 1880 but neither was to anyone named Graham.
Regards
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Who were the grooms of Margaret Beggs and when were the marriages? Maybe I can figure out where they belong in my tree, if they are in my tree? thank you
+Peggy
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Carole, another of Margaret's female siblings was married before 1880 and that was Jane but she married her cousin with last name Beggs so she was still Beggs.
Peggy
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Hi,
The two grooms were Andrew Mearns in 1890 and William J. Todd in 1910. There was another nearby marriage to Robert McConnell in 1890 but it was in Ballylinny Presbyterian Church, Antrim District.
It may be worth noting that the father of Margaret Beggs who married Andrew Mearns was Thomas Beggs.
Regards
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Hi Kingkerswell
Is there possibly any info on the father in this marriage from my earlier reply. I am conscious of Margaret's birthyear being 1852 as she would have been "getting on a bit" by 1880 +
This is just one possibility - the reference numbers and quarter match
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWW-BZD
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWH-6Z7
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Hi,
The 1881 marriage took place in Antrim Registrars Office. The bride's father was John Beggs.
Regards
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Thanks Kingkerswell - that's one that can be ruled out
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Could be something or nothing. A Margaret Beggs b 1852 left for New York in 1897 from Liverpool. I don't know whether she was married etc
http://www.findmypast.co.uk/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action?redef=0
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Hi CaroleW,
I cannot place the Margaret Beggs b. 1852 who left for New York in 1897 but a wild guess is that she could be the wife of James D. Beggs and they were living in Indiana. If the wife of James, then her maiden name was Truitt. Then again, could be a hundred different Margarets.
The 1881 marriage with father John Beggs is not her. The one to Robert McConnell is not her as per previous postings on this site about that marriage. According to the family tree in Maryland, the marriage to Andrew Mearns or to William Todd is not her, unless the tree is wrong.
Thanks everyone for your help.
Peggy
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After much more searching, I am wondering if it was Elizabeth Beggs that married Robert Graham, not her sister Margaret. Can anyone find a marriage of Elizabeth Beggs to Robert Graham, after April 1880. Her parents Thomas Beggs and Margaret Boyd, living in Douglasland by then, or depending on date of marriage, Elizabeth could be living Belfast.
Elizabeth was single in 1880 when her uncle's will was finalized.
Thanks for any help
Peggy
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I am still looking for this marriage of Margaret Beggs to Robert Graham. I have paid for many marriages without finding the correct one. I did find the will of a Robert Graham in Drummadaragh, who could be the father of the Robert who married my Margaret as the area is right and the timing about right and he did have a son Robert as per the will. Most of Margaret's siblings were married in Kilbride Presbyterian so marriage probably there. Margaret was born July 31, 1852 so marriage not likely before 1873 but if you go by the will of her uncle in Maryland, she was probably single until after final accounting on Apr 5, 1880. Can anyone find her marriage?
Thanks for any help.
Peggy
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Another possible coincidence of the will of Robert Graham who died in 1864. One of the executors was Thomas Service and my Margaret's nephew Thomas Robinson married Sarah Service on July 12, 1904, although I don't know who her father was. Still thinking Margaret may have married this Robert Graham's son Robert as it is exactly the right area. Still wondering if in Kilbride Presbyterian.
Thanks
Peggy
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Hi,
According to the Ulster Historical Foundation site Sarah Service's father was William Service and Thomas Robinson's father was James Robinson.
Regards
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Thank you kingskerswell.
Peggy