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I am wondering if it is possible that someone would be able to do a look up of a marriage, if it is possible to look up a 1907 marriage?
Name:
Mary Ann Moody
Spouse Name:
Harold Eli Faith
Marriage Place:
Tasmania
Registration Place:
Tasmania
Registration Year:
1907
Page Number:
0308
Thank you
Nova 67
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TROVE has a notice of the marriage, April 15, 1907 at All Saints' Church, Hobart.
Harold Eli FAITH son of Eli FAITH of Newcastle
Mary Ann MOODY, fifth eldest daughter of James MOODY, Sandfly
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9922641
Judith
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Yes, I have seen this, but thank you. I am specifically after any information about witnesses. Both Mary Ann and her sister Amy Louisa married miners from Newcastle, NSW.
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I would really like to know if it lists her mother as Elizabeth Jones, but I don't know if it will have this information?
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Tas certificates for marriages after 1896 do list the names of both parents and give birthplaces but you will have to purchase the certificate.
http://www.justice.tas.gov.au/bdm
Here is a random example of what the document looks like:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35348-1564-40
A list of info on all Aus certificates:
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Digital images of events prior to 1900 are online and also available on microfilm at many libraries.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yf9/
Debra :)
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The marriage index will not have this information. Hopefully the marriage certificate will.
Marriage
FAITH Harold Eli
MOODY Mary Ann
24 Apl 1907
At All Saints, Hobart Reg#308
and one birth
FAITH Muriel Joyce
Father Harold Eli FAITH Mary Ann FAITH nee Woody ::)
21 Dec 1907
At Sandfly Reg#1908/5045
Marriage
MOODY James 35 years
JONES Elizabeth 22 years
4 May 1871 Reg#177/1871
These are the six births to James and Elizabeth JONES/SMITH in Tasmania and according to marriage snip Mary Ann was the fifth eldest dau of James MOODY of Sandfly.
Only MOODY births between 1871 and 1888 with father James and mother Elizabeth however the surname of Elizabeth is both SMITH and JONES
Elizabeth , Maria, Sarah, John, Virginia, and fifth dau,Mary Ann and Louisa Annie.
Australian Electoral Roll
1914
MOODY Elizabeth Sandfly HD
MOODY James Sandfly Farmer
Notice for Elizabeth and James 18 Feb 1929
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yfa/
IN MEMORIAM.
MOODY In Loving memory of my darling mother- Elizabeth Moody, who passed peacefully away at Sandfly on January 30, 1918, aged 68 years; and also my dear father James Moody, who passed away,at Hobart on February 18, 1924, aged 95 years. [Followed by verse]
Death
MOODY Elizabeth
No parents noted
30 Jan 1918
At Sandfly 1918 Reg#706
MOODY James
No parents listed
18 Feb 1924
At 13 Harrington Street Hobart Reg#2040
Cando
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BDM NSW death
17344 / 1948 FAITH Charles Wallsend
Eli / Mary Ann
30717 / 1958 FAITH Mary Ann Wallsend
James / Elizabeth
3213 / 1962 FAITH Harold Eli Wallsend
Eli / -
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Sorry, I already have a lot of this. I have now applied for the marriage details through Tasmanian Archives. I am forever trying to work out who Elizabeth Jones parents are. Related post:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=566780.msg4196349#msg4196349
I am also applying for the births of other suggested children Sarah Ellen and Jane Jones. Although some people have them on an Ancestry Public Trees as children of John Jones and Ellen Coughlin (various spellings of Coughlin). Though they seem to have more children born in Launceston, so I am not sure the Hobart births make sense. A lot of unsourced information.
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I forgot to say that I have the baptismal information of Elizabeth Jones born 14 April 1848 and baptized 30 April 1848. Child's Name: Elizabeth Father: John Jones Mother: Elizabeth Jones Maiden Name not stated. Abode: Elizabeth Street Quality or Profession: Carpenter By Whom Ceremony Performed: P Palmer Rural Dean
I also have Mary Ann's sister Amy Louisa's marriage and death certificates. Marriage lists mother as Elizabeth Johns and the death certificate informant did not provide the names of her parents, even though I am sure he would have known them.
I have ordered Mary Ann Faith's death certificate from NSW BDM.
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The marriage certificate from the All Saints register for 1907 has John McKenzie, 270 Macquarie St and James Moody, Sandfly, Huon as the witness'.
Mary Ann Moody's parents are listed as James Moody (farmer) and Elizabeth Moody (nee Jones) Her birth place is given as Leslic (??), Huon age 21.
Cheers,
Peter ;)
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Thank you to everyone who has replied and most especially for the look up. That was very kind :) It will be interesting to see what information I can get from the other baptisms. It is very tricky to search for unknown parents of Elizabeth Jones. I am giving it my best shot though.
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Apologies for the information being a bit disjointed.
Baptisms may only list the parents as James and Elizabeth with no mention of Elizabeth's maiden name.
There are frequently mistranscriptions of and incorrect information on certificates.
The MI’s in the newspapers for the deaths of Elizabeth and James MOODY also mentioned a brother Thomas Henry and his birth was registered at Hobart with father Henry!! and mother Elizabeth JONES. One of the MI's mention Inserted by her dau and his sister M L KEMP. Snug River.
Marriage
KEMP William Henry
MOODY Maria
24 May 1894
At Kingston Reg#395/1894
As Mary Ann was the fifth eldest daughter I believe that these are the births registered to them.
MOODY Elizabeth
Father James Mother Elizabeth SMITH
13 Nov 1871
At Hobart Reg#22291871
MOODY Thomas Henry
Father Henry Mother Elizabeth JONES
13 Sep 1873
At Hobart 3578/1873
MOODY Maria
Father James Mother Elizabeth JONES
6 Aug 1875
At Hobart Reg#1393/4875
MOODY Sarah
Father James Mother Elizabeth SMITH
16 Sep 1878
At Kingston Reg#998/1878
MOODY John
Father James Mother Elizabeth JONES
10 Oct 1880
At Kingston Reg#1523/1880
MOODY Virginia
Father James Mother Elizabeth SMITH
8 Sep 1882
At Kingston Reg#1729/1882
and fifth daughter....
MOODY Mary Ann
Father James Mother Elizabeth JONES
1 Sep 1884
At Kingston Reg#1947/1884
MOODY Annie Louisa
Father Jame Mother Elizabeth JONES
4 Jan 1888
At Kingston Reg#1995/1888
1918 http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yfy/
Thomas Henry Moody, farmer, Sandfly, charged with being drunk and incapable the previous evening,.....
Advocate Burnie 15 Jul 1919
FARMER'S TRAGIC DEATH
HOBART, Monday.-An inquest was held at Sandfly to-day into the circumstances attending tho death of Thomas Henry Moody (46), a farmer. The evidence showed that deceased
was returning home from Hobart under tho influence of liquor, and was found lying on the roadside about a mile and a half from home. Dr. Hodgkinson was summoned and pronounced life extinct.
Tho doctor deposed that death was due to a lacerated liver, causing internal hemorrhage, through being run over by a cart. A verdict to that effect was returned.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yfx/
Sarah Jane BROWN, sister of the deceased.........
Marriage
MOODY James 35 years
JONES Elizabeth 22 years
4 May 1871 Reg#177/1871
Perhaps this illegitimate birth should be investigated along with the mother's possible marriage a few years later. If only the names weren't SMITH and JONES ::)
Birth
JONES Elizabeth
Father not named. Mother Maria JONES
20 Sep 1851
At Hobart Reg#727/1851
and this marriage which may be the reason for the JONES/SMITH surnames for Elizabeth.
JONES Maria 31 years
SMITH James 30 years
29 Mar 1854
At Hobart Reg#542/1854
There is only one birth registered in 1861 to this couple. I would suggest that there were more births that weren't registered.
Cando
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Thank you for all the trouble Cando. Yes there are eight children to James Moody and Elizabeth Jones and James also had six earlier children. My great-grandmother who was most definitely always known as Amy Louisa Moody, is the youngest born 4/1/1888 Sandfly, Tasmania and died 10/6/1960 Toronto, NSW. So as she is down as Annie there is another discrepancy!
Re: MOODY Annie Louisa
Father James Mother Elizabeth JONES
4 Jan 1888
At Kingston Reg#1995/1888
As for Elizabeth Jones estimated year of birth and birth place of Hobart re her death certificate, there is no birth around 1849/1850 in Hobart that fits.
Note: Another Elizabeth Jones b. 20/9/1850 died as an infant d.3/4/1853 of "teething". Born to a Cascades FF convict Maria Jones (the birth appears on her conduct record) with Father Unknown, "the mate of a vessel".
It certainly is a tricky one.
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Marriage
MOODY James 35 years
JONES Elizabeth 22 years
4 May 1871 Reg#177/1871
Perhaps this illegitimate birth should be investigated along with the mother's possible marriage a few years later. If only the names weren't SMITH and JONES ::)
Birth
JONES Elizabeth
Father not named. Mother Maria JONES
20 Sep 1851
At Hobart Reg#727/1851
and this marriage which may be the reason for the JONES/SMITH surnames for Elizabeth.
JONES Maria 31 years
SMITH James 30 years
29 Mar 1854
At Hobart Reg#542/1854
There is only one birth registered in 1861 to this couple. I would suggest that there were more births that weren't registered.
Cando
Interestingly, someone has a John McKenzie and the above marriage and child you are suggesting on a public Ancestry Tree, re the look up:
The marriage certificate from the All Saints register for 1907 has John McKenzie, 270 Macquarie St and James Moody, Sandfly, Huon as the witness'.
Mary Ann Moody's parents are listed as James Moody (farmer) and Elizabeth Moody (nee Jones) Her birth place is given as Leslic (??), Huon age 21.
Name:
John Henry McKenzie
Birth Date:
31 Dec 1886
Father's Name:
John Henry McKenzie
Mother's name:
Elizabeth Veron Robertson
Birth Place:
Tasmania
Registration Year:
1887
Registration Place:
Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Number:
82
Maybe?
Just confusing with the death of the infant to the convict Maria. I am totally sleep deprived on night shifts so apologies if anything I am saying sounds totally crazy!
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I treat all online trees with caution and haven't looked at any in this instance. I do not use any indexes on ancestry as many have found they have omissions and errors. Anyway not everyone has access to ancestry.
I use my own resources for Tasmanian bdm's to 1930.
I certainly wouldn't get too hung up on ages...genealogy is far from an exact science :) Info on death certs if often wrong and depends on the knowledge of the informant.
It is possible that Elizabeth JONES was not born in Tasmania.
Ah...remember that sleep deprived feeling albeit it many, many years ago ;D
Cheers
Cando
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Here is a random example of what the document looks like:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35348-1564-40
Debra :)
I can't thank you enough Debra. Have now found three pertinent marriages certificates to this family. Though I may make a cheeky request for some of the later marriages of the siblings that are unavailable here.
This is Elizabeth Jones and James Moody's 4 May 1871 marriage at All Saints Church, Hobart:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35347-5374-68?cc=2125029&wc=M7HG-8W5:387523601,387551301,387647601 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35347-5374-68?cc=2125029&wc=M7HG-8W5:387523601,387551301,387647601)
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A bit more information to do your head in - death and in memorium notices...
16 July 1906, Hobart Mercury
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12821037
BRENT- On Sunday, July 15, 1906, at Hobart, Joseph, beloved husband of Sarah Brent, aged 50 years. Funeral will leave his late residence, 83 Patrick street, on Tuesday, the 17th inst., at 2.30, tor Queenborough Cemetery.
15 July 1907, Hobart Mercury
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/9927586
BRENT - In fond and loving memory of my dear husband, Joseph Brent, died July 15th 1906. Inserted by his loving wife and family, and niece, S. Moody.
Joseph BRENT and Sarah SMITH married in 1882 at Hobart when Sarah was aged 17, the daughter of a labourer. Two of the witnesses were Richard SMITH and Annie SMITH.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35345-5888-77
Joseph and Sarah BRENT were witnesses at the marriage of Robert Richard SMITH in 1886, who appears to be the only child registered to James SMITH and Maria JONES in 1861, and seems to have usually used just the name 'Richard'.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35346-10429-84
Richard's death confirms his age:
SMITH - On Sunday, September 30, 1900, at his residence, 300 Macquarie street, Robert Richard, the beloved husband of Esther Smith, In the 39th year of his age. Funeral will leave the above address on TUESDAY AFTERNOON, at 2.30, for Queenborough Cemetery, when friends are respectfully invited to attend.
Sarah SMITH/BRENT remarried to Frederick PETERSON after Joseph's death. Her son Percival's WW1 service record names her as Sarah PETERSON of Brisbane Street, Hobart but I cannot find her on electoral rolls.
Debra :)
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My head is spinning ??? I have just written an email to someone who has been researching this family. I think their are more children than Richard.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2009-02/1234322510
Sarah Moody, who could be "S Moody" is the only child of Elizabeth Jones/Moody whose marriage I cannot find indexed. Her partner (to use 21st century parlance) was Sydney Browne and their child was born in 1909, so possibly she could be still Moody then.
Thanks Debra. It is certainly interesting ;) I will post the other marriages that perhaps someone will help look up.
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These are the other 3 marriages I am requesting a look up for, please. If anyone can oblige? Many thanks:
Name:
Thomas Moody
Spouse Name:
Gertrude Court
Marriage Place:
Tasmania
Registration Place:
Tasmania
Registration Year:
1907
Page Number:
0562
Name:
John Moody
Spouse Name:
Ruth Ella Carrier
Marriage Place:
Tasmania
Registration Place:
Tasmania
Registration Year:
1907
Page Number:
0636
Name:
Lena May Moody
Spouse Name:
David Even Williams
Marriage Place:
Tasmania
Registration Place:
Tasmania
Registration Year:
1912
Page Number:
0656
Three children married in 1907.
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If only it wasn't for this. it would make more sense. Sorry, I made an error in typing the birth year earlier at reply # 12
Name:
Elizabeth Jones
Birth Date:
20 Sep 1851
Father's Name:
U Jones
Mother's name:
Maria Jones
Birth Place:
Tasmania
Registration Year:
1851
Registration Place:
Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Number:
727
Name:
Elizabeth Jones
Death Date:
3 Apr 1853
Death Place:
Tasmania
Age:
1
Mother's name:
Maria U
Registration Year:
1853
Registration Place:
Hobart, Tasmania
Registration Number:
2238
Estimated birth year:
abt 1852
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The birth appears on the convict Maria Jones record at Tasmanian Archives. In the column under "Remarks":
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON41-1-21,155,75,C,80 (http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON41-1-21,155,75,C,80)
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Convicts Permission to Marry at Tasmanian Archives:
http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=5
SMITH James Forfarshire JONES Maria free 15 FEB 1854
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General information on James Smith:
Conduct record:
http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/ImageViewer/image_viewer.htm?CON33-1-44,246,198,C,80
Inquest:
http://digital.statelibrary.tas.gov.au:1801/view/action/nmets.do?DOCCHOICE=SC195-1-52-6438.xml&dvs=1394968211737~110&locale=en_AU&search_terms=&adjacency=&VIEWER_URL=/view/action/nmets.do?&DELIVERY_RULE_ID=8&usePid1=true&usePid2=true
Newspaper article on inquest:
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8850427?searchTerm="james smith"&searchLimits=l-decade=186|||l-year=1868|||l-title=10
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Death of Maria Smith, who died at 282 Macquarie Street, Hobart:
The Mercury, Hobart, Tasmania Monday, August 4, 1890 p.1
"SMITH - ON August 2, Maria Smith, aged 65 years. The funeral will leave her daughter's residence, Macquarie-Street, on TUESDAY at 2 o'clock."
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12701105?searchTerm="maria smith"&searchLimits=l-title=10
Further information:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35347-13954-31?cc=2125029&wc=M7HG-HW5:387523701,387590301,387615601
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Here are two of the requested marriage lookups -
Both Thomas and Lena May Moody's marriages took place at the King Street Independent Chapel (which is down Sandy Bay way)
Thomas' occurred on the 18/04/1907 - residence: Sandfly, age: 33, Farmer, born: Hobart, Parents: James Moody and Elizabeth Smith. Witness': Mark Wallis, 330 Elizabeth Street, Mary Ann Glorchey.
Lena May's occurred on the 8/04/1912 - residence Hobart, age: 28, domestic duties, born: Sandy Bay Parents: James Moody and Elizabeth Johns. Witness': M L Palfreyman, Hobart, T R Coulson, Geeveston.
Given that the JOHNS/SMITH surnames have cropped up in relation to Elizabeth Jones and also the Brent/Smith/Moody connection in the post by Debrah could this below be the key to Elizabeth Jones' origins -
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/AUS-Tasmania/2006-08/1154559866
Cheers,
Peter
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Peter, you are a legend ;D
I was looking at all those connections with Maria JONES/LORD and my brain just didn't connect the names JONES and JOHNS (FAIL! :-[ )
So it looks like Elizabeth's birth was registered as Hannah Jane but she was baptised as Elizabeth Jane. I have seen this a few times, perhaps a mind change or one too many celebratory drinks for Dad on the way to the registrar. Note he signs his name as JOHNS, I wonder what sort of an accent he had?
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35346-9149-57
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1971-35349-22883-14
Debra :)
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The death of William JOHNS in 1853:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1961-35350-20021-73
The death of daughter Mary Ann a few days later:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35350-21939-70
Debra :)
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Thank you again to terrific Dundee and Tas Tyger : :) :) Little did I know when I asked for my simple request for a look up how far this would come. It is so exciting to think how all this has come about. Your help has been invaluable to me.
I can't fully take it all in at the moment. There is some sort of crazy logic to it all.
I tried to get in touch with the Roots Web person who is also on Ancestry. No luck so far. Will try some other emails.
I am already directly related to another NSW Lord family and my convict Maria Coverley became ...you guessed it ...Maria Lord on marriage to convict James Lord. Ahhhh....seemingly no end to the confusion.
I have found the Maria Jones and James Smith marriage record. Will find and post. I think I will try and look at witnesses to their children's marriages too.
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Marriage of my great grandparents Archie Norman Potter, Miner, Bachelor, born Newcastle NSW, 26 years and Amy Louisa Moody, Domestic Duties, Spinster, born Sandfly Tasmania, aged 23 years. Both resident of Toronto:
16 Dec 1911 at the Residence of the Bridegroom's mother Railway Parade, Toronto, Lake Macquarie, NSW per Rites of Methodist Church.
Groom's Parents: Alfred John Potter (Deceased) Jeweller and Sophie Irene Ortmayer
Bride's Parents: James Moody, Farmer and Elizabeth Johns
Witnesses: Alwin Stanley Potter and Zita Melanie Potter
Per Marriage Certificate NSW BDM Reg No 1911/013026
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1854 marriage of Maria Jones and James Smith:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1951-35345-10902-61?cc=2125029&wc=M7HG-W38:387523601,387551301,387597401
The when and where married is slightly tricky? St Marys Church, Franklin... What is the next bit?
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St Marys Franklin Huon River
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Thanks Wivenhoe :)
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I just wanted to let you know that I also received Mary Ann Faith's death certificate today. The informant is her husband and he lists her parents as James Moody, Farmer and Elizabeth Johns.
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John Moody and Ruth Ella Carrier's marriage certificate also indicates that his mother was Elizabeth Smith. Even though they married 7 August 1906 at Kingston, "according to Usages of the Methodist Church", the marriage was not registered until 31/12/1907. Witnesses were: A L Moody and H Faith. Celebrant was S Churchward.
So that is all of them, except Sarah Moody, who I have never been able to find.
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Hi Nova 67,
I am closely related to the Moody family.
Annie Moody married Robert Henry Brakey.
I can go as far back as 1817, John Moody married Bridget Leary, on 17th May 1899
P.M. me if you are interested in sharing information.
Regards
George
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Hi Nova 67,
I am closely related to the Moody family.
Annie Moody married Robert Henry Brakey.
I can go as far back as 1817, John Moody married Bridget Leary, on 17th May 1899
P.M. me if you are interested in sharing information.
Regards
George
Sorry, I don't know who these Moody's are that you are mentioning? I don't know that there is a connection?
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Hi Nova,
I have just split off this topic here, I am not too sure if they are connected to your line ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=768098.0
Regards
Sarah
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Yes, it is connected to my family.