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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: StoryWoman on Thursday 13 March 14 23:08 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I've only just registered on here as I found there are some people researching the Archbold family in Northumberland. We're trying to find out information about Ralph Archbold, born 1860 in Northumberland, to George and Ann Archbold. Any information would be an enormous help, thank you. :-)
I can see replies to my post, but not how to reply them! Until I work out how, thank you to those who have replied. :-)
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Welcome to rootschat. :)
If you go to the bottom of the rootschat page inside the brown box you will see a heading "Tools". Below that is "Surname Interests". If you click on this it will take you to the Surname Interests Table or SIT. There are two people who have registered the surname Archbold, but unfortunately neither of them has been on rootschat since 2011. After you have made three posts on rootschat (there is a number under your name which tells you how many you have made), you can contact these people directly via Personal Message. If they still have the same contact details, they should then receive your message.
In the meantime, if you need any help with your research I'm sure there are many people who will be happy to help you. You are looking for Ralph's family but can you tell us what you already know about your Archbolds? What exactly would you like help with?
For example do you have Ralph's birth or marriage certificate?
Do you have Ralph and family in the 1861 (and other) censuses?
:)
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Westmorland Gazette, Saturday, 19 Dec 1829, page 3
On the 2d inst., at Bishopwearmouth, Mr. George Archbold, gardener, aged 56. From the alarm given about the resurrectionists at Sunderland, great pains were taken by his friends to secure the body. The grave was sunk 12 feet deep, a post driven in at each end of the coffin, and a plank of timber nailed to them, passing along the top of the coffin, and then straw put into the grave to stop the spade from working, should a removal of the body be attempted.
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Morpeth Herald, Saturday, 20 Jun 1885, page 5
CHILD DROWNED AT BLYTH
On Monday evening, the Coroner, Mr. J.R.D. Lynn, held an inquest at the house of Mr. Shields, Golden Fleece Inn, Cowpen Square, touching the death of John George Archbold, aged four years and six months, who had been drowned in close proximity to the new gridiron, Cowpen Square. Mr. Robert Wilson was foreman of the jury. The first witness examined was Mary Ann Richardson, who said, I live at Croft Mills, and the body just viewed by the Coroner and jury is that of my grandson, John George Archbold, and the oldest son of Ralph Archbold, miner, Croft Mills. The deceased went out to play this afternoon about a quarter past one o'clock, but shortly after, about 1:30, a little boy came and shouted John George was drowned. I immediately ran to the river side, near the High Ferry, and I found the deceased lying on his face in about two feet of water near the new gridiron. The deceased was quite dead. There was no one near the child at the time. The deceased had his shoes and stockings off when he went out, and he often waded in the river. There was no one to my knowledge saw the deceased go into the water except a little boy who was with him. I am of opinion the deceased had been wading in the river there and had fallen down a hole at the gridiron and was accidentally drowned. The ferryboatman came to my assistance and he tried the means to restore the child to life but without success. -- Elizabeth Clough deposed that the deceased and her boy, aged five years, and another boy called Jacobs all went out to wade in the river about a quarter past one o'clock this afternoon, and about twenty minutes after her boy came back and reported that John George was drowned. Witness did not see the child in the river. Witness further stated that there was some deep holes near the new gridiron and that the deceased must have fallen down. -- The jury returned a verdict "That the deceased had been accidentally drowned."
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Morpeth Herald, Saturday, 19 Mar 1892, page 3
Ralph Archbold, miner, Cowpen Square, was charged with begin drunk and disorderly, on Feb. 27th. -- PC Tough and PC Biggar proved the case. -- Fined 7s 6d, and 10s 6d costs.
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Morpeth Herald, Saturday, 17 Nov 1894, page 8
DEATHS
At Isabella Pit, 24, West Row, 14th inst., aged 36, Sarah Jan Archbold, wife of Mr. Ralph Archbold, of Blyth. All friends are desired to accept this intimation, the members of the "Hope of Blyth" Lodge of Oddfellows being particularly requested to attend. Cortege to leave at 3 p.m. for Cowpen Cemetery.
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As you have Ralph b 1860 and parents George and Ann I presume you have found him on the 1861 census? I found them in 1861 living in Newsham - father George is an engineman.
Do you know Ann's surname and the date of marriage of George and Ann?
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If you don't already have it, this looks the closest age wise to your Ralph.
From FreeBMD:
Births Dec 1859
ARCHBOLD Ralph
Morpeth 10b 247
The 1861 census says Ralph was born in Woodhorn, which comes under Morpeth Registration District.
Purchasing the certificate (at a cost of £9.25) will give father's name and mother's maiden name and confirm if it is your Ralph. Let us know if you need help ordering it.
Looking at FreeBMD, there are a quite a lot of Ralph Archbold's born in Northumberland over the years, so further research would be needed to find out if those mentioned in the articles supplied by Telinlethaed belong to your family. :)
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Going back a step or two, just to make sure you are tracing the correct Ralph (as I said, there are a number of them) - how did you get to Ralph b 1860 with parents George and Ann?
It may be better to wait for your responses before continuing with the search to ensure it is the right family and so you can tell us what you already know about them ....
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Couldn't help myself - out of curiosity I looked for George Archbold in the 1841 census, and think I found him as a 5 year old with parents, James and Isabella and younger siblings living in Cowpen.
James is a joiner.
Looks like it is probably the same George as in the 1861 census, as he gives the name Isabella to his own daughter.
Just need further confirmation that this is your Archbold family.
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:) Thank you for your helpful replies, you're very kind.
We definitely have the right Ralph as we traced him back directly from my grandfather. My sister is compiling the tree and doing most of the research, but she's doing it from th US so I'm following up some local leads. We have BMD info on Ralph, but we have questions about the rest of his offspring, apart from poor John George, by his first marriage to Jane Richardson in 1880, Mary Ann and George. We have Ralph and his second wife on the 1901
census, in Gladstone Street, but then nothing until his death in 1931.
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FreeREG has a lot of info for you;
Eg,
ARCHBOLD, Baptised Church of the Holy Cross, Chatton, Northumberland
ANN, 31 Aug 1806, 2nd Daug, Buried 12 Nov 1806 age 3mths and 3weeks
ISABELLA, 26 Sept 1807, 3rd Daug, Buried 28 Sept 1807 age 18days
JAMES, 2 April 1809, 1st Son****
ANN, 1 Sept 1811, 4th Daug
ELEANOR, 25 Oct 1812, 5th Daug
JOHN, 3 April 1814, 7th Son (I think this should be 2nd Son)
GEORGE, 16 Feb 1817
FRANCES, 24 May 1818
ISABELLA, 10 Nov 1822
RICHARD, 10 Nov 1822, Birth 17 Feb 1820
EDMUND, 19 Nov 1826
Earlier ones have;
Parents George ARCHBOLD and Elizabeth TURNBULL
Fathers Occp Shoemaker
Mother 4th Daug of JOHN Turnbull, a Labourer of Branxton
This is their 1st Daug;
ELIZABETH, 8 April 1804, Illegitimate, Mother a native of Branxton Parish
Parents George ARCHBOLD and Elizabeth TURNBULL
www.freereg.org.uk
1841 Census
Chatton, Northumberland
HO107/833/1/Chatton
George ANHBOLD, 55, Ag Lab
Elizabeth, 55
Isabella, 15
Edmund, 14
1851 they are under George ANHLOLES born c 1782 Chatton, and Elizabeth Anhboles born c 1784 Branton (Branxton)
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Thank you, that's enormously helpful, we were trying to establish the Chatton connection!
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Your welcome.
FreeREG is a great site, down by Volunteers from Parish Records.
You can just search Chatton records and also use soundex option as a second option also, as name may be Archbold/Archibold etc in transcription.
If you need any more help just ask.
Trish :)
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I am a little confused.
I found a James (joiner) and Isabella Archbold in the 1841 census in Cowpen with son George.
I based this on the fact that you said your Ralph was born in 1860. I found your Ralph in 1861 with father George, mother Ann. I presumed that this George was the one that I found in the 1841 census with parents James and Isabella? Do you know if this is your Archbold family?
Trish has found:
[quote author=trish1120 link=topic=680668.msg5252297#msg5252297
1841 Census
Chatton, Northumberland
HO107/833/1/Chatton
George ANHBOLD, 55, Ag Lab
Elizabeth, 55
Isabella, 15
Edmund, 14
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Where do these Archbold's fit it to your family?
Question for Trish - who are the parents of this list of children?:
FreeREG has a lot of info for you;
Eg,
ARCHBOLD, Baptised Church of the Holy Cross, Chatton, Northumberland
ANN, 31 Aug 1806, 2nd Daug, Buried 12 Nov 1806 age 3mths and 3weeks
ISABELLA, 26 Sept 1807, 3rd Daug, Buried 28 Sept 1807 age 18days
JAMES, 2 April 1809, 1st Son****
ANN, 1 Sept 1811, 4th Daug
ELEANOR, 25 Oct 1812, 5th Daug
JOHN, 3 April 1814, 7th Son (I think this should be 2nd Son)
GEORGE, 16 Feb 1817
FRANCES, 24 May 1818
ISABELLA, 10 Nov 1822
RICHARD, 10 Nov 1822, Birth 17 Feb 1820
EDMUND, 19 Nov 1826
Sorry I am having problems working out who is who on these lists of names. Or, are these just lists of Archbolds who might be of interest to StoryWoman? :-\
We have BMD info on Ralph, but we have questions about the rest of his offspring, apart from poor John George, by his first marriage to Jane Richardson in 1880, Mary Ann and George. We have Ralph and his second wife on the 1901
census, in Gladstone Street, but then nothing until his death in 1931.
Can I just clarify please?
Ralph married Jane Richardson in 1880?
John George the child who drowned was their son?
Are Mary Ann and George also their children?
Ann is Ralph's second wife?
You are looking for Ralph and Ann in the 1911 census?
Ralph dies in 1931?
When you say you are "trying to establish the Chatton connection" - what do you mean?
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I have census records of Ralph married to Jane Richardson in 1881, widowed with 6yo Margaret J, 4yo Mary A and 2yo George, then married again by 1901 to Mary, with 8yo John (my grandfather), 15yo James and 13yo Mary Ann. As the last 2 children do not appear on ea rlier census records it seems unlikely that they're his biological children.
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??? We've tried a search on the 1911 census and can't find Ralph, his wife or children. Does anyone know where he went? We'd be interested to make contact with other descendants of Ralph who may have info they'd be willing to share.
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Sorry if what I posted was confusing Ruskie :-[
This is what I was linking in my strange way;
RALPH Archbold 1859, Parents GEORGE/ANN
GEORGE Archbold 1836, Parents JAMES/ISABELLA (1851 HO107/2412/427/80)
JAMES Archbold 1809 born Chatton, Parents GEORGE/ELIZABETH
I posted the Baptisms of George/Elizabeths Children including James 1809
Then the 1841 Census for George/Elizabeth and James's remaining Siblings still at Home.
Plus the Ref for George/Elizabeth in 1851 under Anhloles.
Trish :)
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Look for John ARCHIBALD, born c 1893, Blythe, Northumberland, in missing Census.
His Parents are there also.
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1881 we JOHN G who drowned
1891 we have Ralph Widowed with Children;
MARGARET J 1885
MARY A 1887
GEORGE 1889
Ralphs Mother Ann is there also
RG12/4238/58/33
1901 we have;
JOHN 1893
JAMES 1886
MARY ANN 1888
RG13/4813/59/40
So you think Mary Ann and James may be Ralphs now Wife Marys Children StoryWoman?
I think only maybe JAMES was not his Child.
So at least we think Ralph was the Father of John G, Margaret, Mary, George, John.
Death Regs;
JOHN GEORGE Archbold, June 1885, Tynemouth age 4
JANE Archbold, March 1891 Tynemouth age 30
MARGARET JANE Archbold, Dec 1891, Tynemouth age 6
So 2 Children have died.
I can find no second Marriage for Ralph to a Mary, or anyone at all post 1880 Marriage to Jane Richardson.
Marriage Reg;
Mary Annie ARCHBOLD, June 1909, Morpeth, 10b 735
Edward OWENS on same page
When you see the 1911 Census this will all make sense I hope
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Hi again StoryWoman,
Do you have Johns Birth Cert to establish his Mothers maiden name?
His Death Reg June 1893 (according to a Tree I saw) age 90, gives his Birth Date as 28 Jan 1893
There is only 1 that fits on FreeBMD;
John ARCHBOLD, March 1893, Tynemouth, 10b 317
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Thanks for the clarification Trish. For some reason I just got quite confused. ;)
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I'm not suprised I confused you when I looked back at it I could see why.
My excuse is I was posting at 2-3am here :D
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That is a very good excuse. ;D
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Thank you for all your help, my sister has everyone on the tree until we get to Ralph post 1901 census, when he's shown as married to Mary, with 3 children, at 6 Gladstone St, Cowpen. We just don't know where they lived after this date, or what happened to his 'wife' and James and Mary Ann. We're pretty clear on everyone but this particular family group.
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After conversations with my sisters we do now think James is the only child who is not biologically Ralph's. John (28 January 1893 - ? April 1983) is my grandfather, and we believe his mother died when he was an infant. The mystery surrounds Ralph's apparent 2nd marriage, and what happened to him after 1901. Our grandfather didn't talk much about his family. Thank you for all your help so far, it's greatly appreciated.
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As Jane Archbold nee Richardson died 1891 then she cannot be Johns Mother.
Death Reg;
JANE Archbold, March 1891 Tynemouth age 30
You need to get Johns Birth Cert to establish his Mothers maiden name as I said earlier.
His Mother must be the mysterious Mary on 1901/1911 Census.
It looks to me that Ralph/Mary never Married and the B/C of John is the only way you will find anything more out about her.
Birth Reg;
John ARCHBOLD, March 1893, Tynemouth, 10b 317
Have you looked at the 1911 Census that I gave you info for?
Trish :)
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Accidentily pushed wrong button there so posted too much and have deleted it;
1891 we have Ralph Widowed with Children (under ARCHLOLD);
MARGARET J 1885
MARY A 1887
GEORGE 1889
Ralphs Mother Ann is there also
RG12/4238/58/33
So Ralph is Widowed.
The date of the 1891 Census was 5 April 1891 so that is why as Janes Death was Reg Jan/Feb/March Qtr of 1819.
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I'm going to order John's BC today, in the hope of solving the mystery of his mothers identity, presumably Mary. I'll then probably have the answer to whether or not she and Ralph were married, but I don't think they were.
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Excellent, please let us know what the B/C says.
I agree with you I dont think they ever married.
She may have been married before.
At least the Cert will tell you her maiden name and previous married if there was one :)
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We have new leads on Ralph post 1901 census now, thanks to some delving into granddad's war record. The BC is on order, I'm very excited to see what it says!
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I share your excitement :)
But you actually have Ralph in 1911 also.
Trish :)
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The BC arrived! John's parents are given as Ralph and Mary, formerly Barrett, I'm guessing this is a previous married name rather than her maiden name. At least we have a name to work from! Also, I've still been unable to find them on the 1911 census, do you have an address for them, please? :)
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A marriage on Familysearch.
10 Oct 1891, South Shields. Ralph Archbold, single, age 31, son of George Archbold, and Mary Barrett, single, age 29, daughter of John Barrett.
Marriage cert may give a few more details, occupations, addresses etc although they may have told some fibs (eg. Ralph being single rather than widowed).
Alan.
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Thank you so much, that's an enormous help. I'm dashing out so I'll reply properly later, but just wanted to say thank you.
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Some RC Baptisms on Familysearch (hence Latinised names) :
Joannis Archibold, 12 Feb 1893, Our Lady and St. Wilfred, Blyth, son of Ralphi Archibold and Maria Barrett Archibold.
Ralph Archibald, 18 September 1898, St. Cuthbert, Cowpen, son of Ralph Archibald and Mariae Barret.
Georgina Archbold, 11 May 1902, Our Lady and St. Wilfred, Blyth, daughter of Ranulphi Archbold and Maria Barrett Archbold.
Alan.
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Try Ralph Archibold in the 1911. Archibald if you are using Ancestry.
Alan.
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Excellent work Wolfie :)
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You're an absolute star, Wolfie, your info has opened some new lines of investigation for us, thank you so much. :)
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I now know much more about Ralph Archbold, but I'm curious about James,born 1886, the son of Ralph's second wife, Mary Barrett, 1863-1943. When she married Ralph, James was already about 5 years old, and although he's shown on subsequent censuses as James Archbold, I don't believe he is Ralph's son. Can anyone shed any light on this, please? I've reached a dead end.