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Title: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: hencarrai on Friday 14 March 14 11:07 GMT (UK)

1861 census shows David Morgan, age 48, coal miner, born Bedwellty, Mon.
He is living at 'Cwrt Y Bettin', Hengoed, Gelligaer.
Can anyone pinpoint where Cwrt y Bettin is / was, please?
RG9/4046/49/pages 5 & 6.
Thank you,
Rob

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: DORAN54 on Friday 14 March 14 11:35 GMT (UK)

cwrt y bettin translated is courtyard of the bettin   other than that sorry I can't help :-\

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 14 March 14 22:20 GMT (UK)

if you go back a page, the previous property mentioned is Rhos yr Yrfa. This still exist and is north west of Penpedairheol (east of Heol Adam). The next is Plough and Harrow - also still exists in Penpedairheol - CF82 8BQ. Presumably Cwrt y Bettin was a group of houses somewhere between the two

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 14 March 14 22:26 GMT (UK)

have now found it on an 1870s map on the old maps site - as Cwrt y Betty, it's on the Nant y Cascade, roughly where Hospital Road and Tai'r Heol now stand

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 14 March 14 22:28 GMT (UK)

this might be of interest

http://www.coflein.gov.uk/en/site/18499/collection/CWRT-Y-BETTY/?sort_typ=dmedium&sort_ord=-1

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: hencarrai on Saturday 15 March 14 10:33 GMT (UK)

Excellent,
thanks very much Mabel & Doran54.
So it's Betty's Courtyard? wonder who she was?

Mabel,
I can see the location on the map, should I be able to see the photograph on the Coflein link?

Many thanks for your help,
Rob

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: DORAN54 on Saturday 15 March 14 10:40 GMT (UK)

I had a feeling it wasn't bettin good old mabel bagshaw ;)

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: Rowley on Sunday 16 March 14 17:24 GMT (UK)

Hi Rob, if you google Hospital Road Penpedairheol, then look for Duffryn Close, from that junction to your right there is a roundabout at the end of Rhos Avenue, from there go north to the Hospital road again, that little corner was Cwrt Y Betty, where there was a farm house and barns, as far as I know the fields where Duffryn Close is now also belonged to this farm.
Best wishes Rowley

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: hencarrai on Tuesday 18 March 14 11:00 GMT (UK)

Thanks Rowley,
I can follow your directions ok.
Rob

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: Rowley on Tuesday 18 March 14 13:28 GMT (UK)

Hi Rob, In the 1841 Farm tithes it is given as Cwrt Y Bettin, according to my dictionary the translation of the word Betin or Bettin gives cribau Sant Ffraid, or Betony which is a herbal plant, I think this is the origin of the name, which changed over the years to Cwrt Y Betty.
I also have an interest in this farm, I went there with my mother in the 1940s, I was told the occupants were distant relatives, best wishes Rowley

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: hencarrai on Tuesday 18 March 14 22:15 GMT (UK)

Thanks for the extra info Rowley.
I'm not 100% sure but I think David Morgan who was there in 1861, was a brother to my GGgrandfather.
I expect the Morgans were long gone before your visits in the 1940s.
I haven't found any offspring for David & Mary.
Regards,
Rob

Title: Re: Hengoed, Glam
Post by: Dannemois on Thursday 08 June 17 14:50 BST (UK)

Hello Rob and Rowley
If I may butt in; I came upon your discussion about Cwrt y Bettin by pure chance. 

Thomas Bevan, a person of interest to me, was lodger there on 1861 and wondering where the address was I googled it and bingo found the answer on rootscaht :)