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Hello
Can some-one help solve a problem spotted on my tree.was sorting out my peacock family.and all of a sudden spotted.a puzzle.here goes.have
JOHN PEACOCK AND ELIZABETH.BOTH MAYBE BORN AROUND 1660
SON
THOMAS PEACOCK 1698.RISELEY.BEDFORDSHIRE.
DIED 27TH MAY 1767.GRAVENHURST.
do not know where resting place is.or a stone in place.
Thomas Peacock married Sarah Whitamore.born 1705.died 1745.
Had a son.
THOMAS PEACOCK.born 1747.
married.
MARY LITCHFIELD.
See my querry.had not noticed.SARAH WHITTAMORE.had died.before son THOMAS was born.
so who was the mother.looked but cannot find.
am not subcribed to ancestory.so cannot check.
mike
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FamilySearch has two baptisms for a Thomas Peacock in Bedfordshire in 1747, but neither has a father called Thomas:
Thomas, son of William and Sarah Peacock, baptised 12 April 1747, Riseley.
Thomas, son of John and Mary Peacock, b. 15 Aug 1747 and baptised 30 Aug 1747, Kempston.
There is a Thomas Peacock, son of Thomas and Mary, baptised in Lower Gravenhurst on 6 March 1737, but that seems a little early? I see that Thomas married Mary Litchfield in 1793.
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am not subcribed to ancestory.so cannot check.
Ancestry isn't the best place to look for this type of information. Use the IGI at www.familysearch.org where virtually all Beds baptisms and marriages pre 1813 are extracted
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Hello
Thank you.do use.family search org.should have put sarahs marriage details on post
SARAH WHITTAMORE christened 18th sept 1705.GNOSTALL .STAFFORD .ENGLAND
Father JAMES WHITTAMORE
MARRIAGE
THOS PEACOCK 24th april 1734.BARTON IN THE CLAY.BEDFORDSHIRE.
BATCH M00330-1 GS FILM 88006
mike
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Did Thomas and Mary (Litchfield) have children who survived? If Mary was the one baptised in 1772 then she would have been much younger than her husband if he was born 1740 +/- 10. Are you sure you haven't skipped a generation?
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Hello
Thank you.do use.family search org.should have put sarahs marriage details on post
SARAH WHITTAMORE christened 18th sept 1705.GNOSTALL .STAFFORD .ENGLAND
Father JAMES WHITTAMORE
MARRIAGE
THOS PEACOCK 24th april 1734.BARTON IN THE CLAY.BEDFORDSHIRE.
BATCH M00330-1 GS FILM 88006
mike
How have you established that the Sarah born in Staffs was the one who married in Beds?
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HELLO
Found the marriage on family search org.maybe jumping the gun.and assuming mine.anyway
thomas peacock and mary litchfield.had a son JOHANNES PEACOCK 1799-1849.HE MARRIED
MARY DICKINS.1800-1885.
This is were my line really starts.sadly all the peacock family have passed away.my aunt was the last in 2000.
if gone wrong can you point me in the correct direction please
mike
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Where are John & Mary in 1841. :-\ OK they are in Riseley ..
I can see a Mary of the right age and a widow in 1851 with son Bela and grandaughter Lavinia Todd Peacock in Riseley but in 1841 she is with a James Peacock :-\ The christening of Bela does however give father as Johannes Had a better look at census and probably does say Johannes ;D
Rosie
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I think you need to start at the marriage of Johannes Peacock and Mary Dickins on 15 Jan 1822 at Riseley. I don't have very much confidence in anything you show before this.
Johannes Peacock was buried age 50 in Riseley in 1849. He appears in Riseley in 1841 age 40 ie age 40-45. I can't find a baptism for him. How have you established that he was the son of Thomas and Mary (Litchfield) Peacock?
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HELLO Bedfordshireboy
Am a bit puzzled.most of my information comes from family search org.website
are you telling me its all wrong what i have
mike
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HELLO
This is what had
1841
MARY KNIGHT 38
JOHN KNIGHT 38
SALLY WARREN 77
PATRINA PEACOCK 40. Also says Johannes Peacock. Is a death saying female found.
MARY PEACOCK 40
VAHHUI PEACOCK 19
BELA PEACOCK 14
EVELYN PEACOCK 11
JOHANNES PEACOCK 10
HELLEN WARREN
MIKE
Should have said found a burial for Johannes Peacock. But this stated was a female in Riseley. Also the Warren family married into Peacock so not strange to see them there in 1840.
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are you telling me its all wrong what i have
Yes, I think it's probably wrong.
The IGI on familysearch is just an index, and you can't just pluck out names that are right when the place is totally wrong without doing some research using parish registers.
My problem areas:
- I can't find a baptism for Johannes Peacock, so can't link him to Thomas and Mary who married in Riseley in 1793. Without this it's pure speculation. Have you checked the marriage entry in the parish register to see if a parish of residence other than Riseley is given, and to see who the witnesses were?
- if Mary Litchfield was 21 when she married then I doubt that her husband was one of the Thomas's baptised before 1750, although it's not impossible. Where do you get his birth being in 1747 from? Just an assumption? But he's much more likely to have been the one baptised in Riseley in 1747 than others baptised around the same time in other parts of the county.
- he can't have been the son of Thomas and Sarah from Lower Gravenhurst, if as you say, Sarah was buried in 1745. Lower Gravenhurst is only a couple of miles from Barton in the Clay, so it seems likely to have been the same couple. But Riseley is 20 miles from Lower Gravenhurst.
- it's a recipe for disaster to pick out a Sarah Whittamore baptised in Staffs and assume she was the one who married in Barton in the Clay, Beds. How about Sarah Whitamer baptised 1708 in Haynes, 6 or so miles away? But it's academic as I'm sure this isn't your line.
But first you have to establish who Johannes was. He may well have been the son of Thomas and Mary. In 1841 he was a blacksmith. In the 1803 Muster List for Riseley there's only one male Peacock listed - Thomas Peacock, blacksmith, married, age 42 with 4 children under 10, one of whom could have been Johannes. Which probably kills off any thoughts that Thomas was born before 1750.
So yes, your tree earlier than Thomas and Mary who married in 1793 is wrong.
David
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Hi,
I found this it doesn't have a Johannes Peacock getting married in Riseley it does however appear to have some of Johannes children's marriages and it states that Johannes was a blacksmith.
http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/RiseleyMarriages.htm
Found this little bit on another site
According to IGI, Johannes Peacock born 24th February 1752, baptised 27th February 1752 St Peters Street United Brethren or Moravian, Bedford, Bedford(shire) England, son of John Peacock and Mary.
May or may not be the one you are looking for.
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Thanks Nettie. Interesting find, Johannes, in 1752 in the Moravian Church, as that couple also baptised a Thomas on 14 Dec 1760, born 8 Dec 1760,which fits with Thomas' age in 1803
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Hello David
Am starting from where my research really starts.with vashni. peacock born in 1822 .july 16th.baptism riseley.was on 1st july 1827. vashni died in 1890 12th july.
he married in 1845 on 16th june. Eliza Mary Valentine. My interest follows Charlie Peacock 1855-1923. My Mum grew up with the Peacocks. Were chimney sweeps. Sadly Charlie Peacock has died buried in Rotherham with his wife Lily shforth. My brother asked me to search for Charlie's line backwards. Seems my stumbling block is get the parents of Vashni which are Johannes Peacock a blacksmith and William Valentine is a brickmaker. Can you tell me David how to correctly find Johannes marriage partner as cannot get out as full time carer and all research is on the computer at home. Thank you for being understanding on a learning family researcher. Not aswered your other query as need to see what you say.
MIKE
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Hi Mike
Nobody minds you asking questions as we all have to learn somewhere.
Using the IGI at https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi and searching for Johannes (tick exact box) Peacock, click on Marriage and put in Bedfordshire (tick exact box) you'll get one hit for the marriage - 15 Jan 1822 at Riseley, Johannes Peacock and Mary Dickins
Riseley marriages up to 1812 are also on Freereg at http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl where there's a bit more detail. The 1793 marriage shows that Thomas was a blacksmith and neither had a parish of residence other than Riseley.
The interesting marriage though was on 26 Dec 1745 between John and Mary Peacock. Was this the John and Mary who baptised children at the Moravian church in Bedford that Nettie found? John and Mary started baptising children at this church in 1749. Thomas and Mary Peacock also baptised children at this church. The link is Silas who was baptised at the Moravian church in 1811 the son of Thomas and Ann and who married in Riseley, son of Thomas blacksmith on 25 Dec 1837 (per the stephengibbs link that Nettie gave), and his census ages indicate a birth of c1812. The big question is who was Ann as the Moravian church baptisms are mainly Thomas and Ann, and what happened to Mary.
Needs a bit more work yet, but I'm pretty sure that Johannes, father of Vashni, was the son of Thomas who married Mary Litchfield, and he was the son of John and Mary. I'll check The history of the Moravian Church in Bedford when I turn in in a few minutes time, to see if there's any mention of a Peacock
David
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I think that Johannes died unmarried
Johannes Peacock S B ; died Riseley Nov 24 1816; bur Bedford Nov 26 1816; aged 64
The bottom of the page is cut off a bit but I think it says S M after his name and that seems to mean single and brother, fairly sure about the single.
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HI DAVID
Thank you so much.for shedding a ray of light.on my puzzle.funny have seen .the marriage of Silas Peacock 25th Dec 1837, bachelor, blacksmith of Riseley. Father Thomas Peacock, also blacksmith. He married Elizabeth Wills (full) spinster also of Riseley, Father John Wills, butcher.
But not studied mucj. Seems the Peacocks were mainly blacksmiths.
Its very good of you for help received. Only trouble is my other half keeps coming in to see where have got to so can really only look at the posts when got her settled for the night. Gets down if I leave her side too long. You must know what it's like once on the computer.
Cheers again
MIKE
Brew time and tablets.
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Baptisms
Thomas son of Thomas and Mary: born Risely Sept 24 1795; bapt Oct 12 1795 in parents home Risely
Mary dau of Thos and Ann; born Risely; bapt. Nov 6 1796 in the chapel Risely
Thomas son of Thomas and Mary; born Risely Jan 6 1799; bapt Jan 13 1799 Ben's chapel at Risely
[blank] dau of Thomas and Anne; born Risely Jan 31 1801; bapt Feb 8 1801 Risely
then after that the rests are Thomas and Ann as parents.
It is annoying that Mary's birth date is missing, but she must at least have been born before the second Thomas so there seem to be Thomas and Mary overlapping with Thomas and Ann.
All a bit confusing!
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HELLO
Forgot to say have the STEVENGIBBS LINK.what a tremendous job he has done. for any-one searching for riseley.information.pity. only have 1837-1901 marriages.am expecting too much for .ones .before this date.hate to think how long steve was doing this project.sadly cannot find half as much as you fantastic researchers are doing.for me
mike
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Beds Archives have some entries for Peacock of Riseley linked to Moravian Church including a list of the congregation taken 1802 that contains Mary Peacock, followed by Thomas Peacock blacksmith born Dec 89? 1760, received at Bedford on 30 Jun 1782, admitted to communion on 1 Dec 1782. This also has A M Peacock sevant born Riseley 13 Feb 1750, received 13 Nov 1762, admitted 16 Jun 1771
Other entries in BLARS online catalogue are Anna Maria Peacock born 2 Feb 1749, Elizabeth Peacock born 25 Feb 1747, Sophia Peacock (now Surridge **) born 7 Feb 1754 & Tryphena Peacock born 5 Oct 1763. These entries are tagged 'DEATH' in the catalogue??
** Thomas Surridge married Sophia Peacock on 16 Sep 1793, the same day that Thomas Peacock, blacksmith married Mary Litchfield.
http://apps.bedscc.gov.uk/bedsccis3/search.aspx
search for name = Peacock & Reference = MO4
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Peacock baptisms at Moravian Church, Bedford (per IGI)
Children of John & Mary
Ann Mary b 2 Feb 1749 bap 4 Feb 1749
Johannes b 24 Feb 1752, bap 27 Feb 1752
Sophia b 7 Feb 1754, bap 8 Feb 1754
Eleanor b 28 Dec 1755, bap 30 Dec 1755, died 1 Jun 1756
Martha 8 Feb 1757, bap 16 Feb 1757
Frederick Renatus b 11 Jun 1759, bap 13 Jun 1759, died 13 Dec 1759
Thomas b 8 Dec 1760, bap 14 Dec 1760
Tryphena b 5 Oct 1763, bap 6 Oct 1763
Thomas born 24 Sep 1795, bap 12 Oct 1795, died 16 Dec 1795 son of Thomas & Mary
Mary bap 6 Nov 1796 Thomas & Ann
Thomas b 6 Jan 1799, bap 13 Jan 1799. Thomas & Mary
Female b 31 Jan 1801, bap 8 Feb 1801 Thomas & Anne
Charlotte b 20 Feb 1803, bap 30 Mar 1803 Thomas & Ann
(these previous 4 children may be the 4 children under 10 mentioned in the Aug 1803 Muster List, although where is the vital one, Johannes? Is he Thomas born 1799?)
Thomas Frederick bap 13 Feb 1805 Thomas & Ann
Flora b 9 Mar 1806, bap 25 Mar 1806 Thomas & Ann
Louisa bap10 Feb 1809 Thomas & Ann
Silas b 25 Oct 1811, bap 19 Nov 1811 Thomas & Ann
I can't explain why the parents in the 1790s fluctuated between Thomas and Mary and Thomas and Ann. There's no burial of a Mary nor a marriage of Thomas to Ann. Perhaps she was Mary Ann! I don't think it was two couples.
Thomas & Mary also baptised a Thomas in Riseley on 4 Aug 1794 who died soon after birth.
Had a fruitful few minutes reading in bed last night! I went through Beds Historical Record Society vol 68 (1989), The Bedford Moravian Church in the 18th Century to see if there was a mention of the Peacocks, and struck gold! The book is a selection of diaries and committee notes of the Bedford congregation and settlement. The Bedford Moravian settlement seems to have started in late 1744, a year before John and Mary married in Riseley.
6 Jan 1745. Elizabeth Peacock was received into the congregation. I don't know if she's connected or not.
Labourers Conference Jan 1745. Riseley delegate John Peacock
20 Dec 1745 The Rysely people are again upon agreeing to employ the other (black)smith in the town and turn John Peacock off. ie John Peacock of Riseley was a blacksmith
7 Feb 1780 Single Sisters' Diary: Breakfasted in Kitty's room as it was Sophia Peacock's birthday
14 Apr 1780 Triphena Peacock a girl came to live in our (Single Sisters' House) house from Riseley
Other Peacocks are mentioned but don't add much. But from the above extracts it seems pretty clear that John Peacock from Riseley was a follower of the Moravian church and was a blacksmith. Two of his known daughters, Sophia and Tryphena lived in the Moravian settlement in Bedford. From this I think it can be safely assumed that John's son Thomas born 1760 was the Thomas, blacksmith, who married Mary Litchfield in 1793, most of whose children were also baptised in the Moravian church. Apart from Johannes – but might he have been the Thomas born in 1799? Why name another son Thomas in 1805 if the 1799 Thomas was still living, unless he was actually Johannes? Johannes could easily be mistranscribed as Thomas - J/T h o/a m/nn o/a s
Thomas seems to have been buried at Bedford Moravian on 7 Jan 1836 age 75 and Mary on 26 Jan 1832 age 59
When you've digested this lot we'll have a look at the various John Peacocks baptised in Riseley in the early 1700s
David
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Forgot to say have the STEVENGIBBS LINK.what a tremendous job he has done. for any-one searching for riseley.information.
And not just Riseley marriages. He's done all parishes in Bedford registration district - see the homepage at http://www.stevengibbs.me.uk/ParishRegistersPage.htm
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HELLO
Gosh you both have been very busy.here was me.having a quick look at the bedfordshire link .kindly given.found budfordshire muster lists 1539-1831 by NIGERL LUTT.
Bedfordshire Historical Society.71.1992
Wondered if to try and buy.if any peacock help.then spotted.MORAVIAN WORSHIP.also not sure what this involves.but also states Establistished 1745.folled by further Establishments of Chapels at PERTENHALL and RISELEY.then spotted cd done.1602-1812.by bedfordshire.turned on to see if any-thing this morning,and you have out done me.with your very excellent information.little did i guess .when posted my querry.who well informed.the kind researchers are.sadly am off to see my pain specialist .commuity car is picking me up.so apoligise in advance if .do not reply to post.will do when get back.but you know as well as me.waiting time at hospitals can be tiresome.not always.
thanks again
MIKE
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Hello Bedfordshireboy,
Quick reply.yes like a idiot was writing all done on paper long job.when after a tiring 3 or 4 hours found could print out.which have done.trouble is run out of ink.after 38 pages of marriages,30 odd pages of burials.you name it.this was my main source of peacock marriages from 1837.
thanks again
mike
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It's the Nigel Lutt Muster List book that John P and I use, but it's out of print now. It's great for the north Beds villages, where the 1803 Muster List acts as a census for men aged 17-55. But I've given you all the information it contains about the Riseley Peacocks so I wouldn't go searching for it in second hand bookshops. If you need anything checking just ask on here.
Another snippet regarding Johannes born 1799. He was drawn by ballot to serve in the militia in 1817, but found a substitute to serve in his place. Enrolled 6 May 1817, when Johannes was said to be age 19.
There's no sign of Johannes b 1752 in Riseley in 1803. If he was living there he should have been included. Perhaps he was living in Bedford where the muster lists haven't survived.
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Hi Mike,
Found some interesting background reading about the Moravian Church.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Province_of_the_Moravian_Church
Steve
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Don't know if this helps
[Thomas Peacock taking TS as an apprentice]
27 June 1792
Thos Peacock Presley Co. of Huntingdon Blacksmith etc Thos Surridge
Where was Presley? A farm?
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Thomas Surridge married Sophia Peacock on 16 Sep 1793, the same day that Thomas Peacock, blacksmith married Mary Litchfield. Seems he was a fellow Moravian - born 4 June 1749 at Bowshot, Northamptonshire (= Bozeat), received: 13 Nov 1789 at Bedford. Not sure if this is the same TS, as he'll be too old to be an appentice !
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Riseley seems to have been Bedford Moravians most successful outpost - Congregation Diary 2 Apr 1745 Br Rogers and Leonard Willamot went to visit at Risely and about. Br Rogers preached at Risely to a large company.
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OK... Thomas Peacock, blacksmith married Mary Litchfield at Riseley on 19 Sept 1793. His Moravian church baptism entry has his birth being 8 Dec 1760 and that his parents were John & Mary. His burial at Bedford Moravian in 1836 at age 75 confirms is birth year = 1761. Wife Mary's burial in 1832 at age 59 makes her born 1773 and that tallies nicely with a baptism at Riseley on 29/11/1772 daughter of William & Sarah Litchfield.
Riseley marriage transcript has entry dated 25/12/1745 just saying "John & Mary Peacock by banns" & a note says this also occurs in BTs (**). John & Mary baptised children at Bedford Moravian from 1749 to 1763. There are burials at Bedford Moravian of John Peacock on 4 Nov 1792 aged 74 (born 1718) & Mary Peacock on 24 Sep 1801 aged 80 (born 1721). I am assuming these are Thomas's parents.
** just had a thought - wonder if this is John Peacock marrying Mary Peacock ?? Mary daughter of Thomas & Mary Peacock baptised 5/2/1723 ?? wonder what original register says ?
So looking for a John Peacock baptised Riseley around 1718 we have :---
20 Oct 1717 John son of John & Miriam Peacock
13 Nov 1719 John son of William & Mary Peacock - but he was buried 21 Jan 1721 - so they had replacement John baptised 2 Oct 1726
Now is this John Peacock (who married Miriam) the one baptised 2 Jun 1695 son of John & Elizabeth Peacock where John the father was a blacksmith as per his burial on 28 June 1731.
& then next is this the John son of William Peacock baptised 15 Apr 1660, where perhaps it is this William who was the blacksmith buried on 22 Jun 1707 aged 84 so born around 1623.
more questions than answers ??
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Hello every-one
THATS .Gardener, JohnP-Bedford.Bedfordsireboy.and last.Steve,my thanks for all the posts whilst been out.its been a very tiring day.just finished cooking the meal.washed up.am doing this while waiting for the kettle to boil.need to relax.before taking in all the information posted. thanks also steve for the Moravian lnk.will look later tonight.thanks also about the tip on the muster book.posted by bedfordshire boy.need to carefully digest to see the correct order of my peacocks going backwards from VASTINE and Eliza mary VALENTINE.
Just of intrest found these.
MARY ANN PEACOCK .PROBATE DATE .2ND NOV 1885
DEATH DATE 6TH OCT 1885
DEATH PLACE .MIDDLESEX.ENGLAND
BELA
DIED 1908.BURY ST EDMUNDS.INTERRED SUFFOLK.
AMY PEACOCK WHO MARRIED JOSEPH SHARMAN .
PROBATE
17TH DEC 1952
DEATH 16TH FEB 1952
BEDFORDSHIRE.
BIRMINGHAM
Then found.Frederick Gell who married Annie Peacock.father VASHNI PEACOCK.in 1889
probate
FREDERICK GELL. BORN 1867-MARCH 1956
PROBATE DATE 26TH SEPT 1956
DEATH DATE 29TH JAN 1956 BEDFORDSHIRE
BIRMINGHAM
of intrest is this a long gap before probate of frederick.also do you think it could be of intrest getting the information .would it tell me any information.
still at present am more intrested in the search you are kindly doing for me.not read the posts yet .just a polite e-mail .at present to thank all.
mike
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HELLO.
Just got moment by myself.at last.eyes a bit tired.but had read of what post missed today. head is whirling around with all sorts of information.looks like can put corrrect details in soon from.
Vastine and Eliza mary valentine.will have to rub out .the wrong peacocks.and put in JOHN AND MARY.
thank you for the baptisim list.when get some more ink.will print out .instead of keep scribbling away.iching to correct my mistakes.before sign off.the JOHANNES PEACOCK ENTRY.WHICH SAYS
FEMALE DIED.24TH NOV 1849.RISELEY.BURIAL.RISELEY.
BATCH NUMBER 04852-3.SYSTEM ORIGAN ENGLAND EASY. GS FILM 1066949,REF ITEM 2 P 85
FAMILY SEARCH.THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST LATTER SAINTS
.Need to take my tablets.supposed to take 11.30.seems a bit late.was going to read about the moravain. link steve gave.will have to wait till tomorrow.or should say later today.
thanks again
mike
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Anc * has National Probate Calendar with the entry Sept 1956 for Frederick Gell of Lodge Gates Riseley who died 29 Jan 1956 (aged 89) ....effects of £378.12s.8d to George Frederick Gell, labourer (his son born 1891).
Just for interest I have a tenuous link to Frederick Gell in my tree, baptised 20/5/1866, son of George Gell & Ann Barker, then George Gell born 1831 son of William Gell & Elizabeth Fairy. So now I can claim a bird link of my Partridges to your Peacocks.
Probate entry for Amy Sharman, widow 0f 8 Gold Street, Riseley - died 16 Feb 1952, effects of £523.6s.4d to Edward Francis, blacksmith's striker.
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Hello John
Thank you ever so much.for the probate information.very good of you.thought sadly not heard or see any replies.all wonderful information had been used.the Gell family seemed to be woodmen think. did know the baker name.thats due to the wonderful Riseley information.not had chance to see if any more probate record around.it also nice to have a link with you.as mmakes all the effort .have done for me more meanfull.not had chance to read about the church yet.is there a site with the churchs of Riseley.wondered if to get any of where the peacocks worshipped and married.
nearly finished the tea.so better sign off.sneak back later.when alls quite.
thanks again
mike
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I can't explain why the parents in the 1790s fluctuated between Thomas and Mary and Thomas and Ann. There's no burial of a Mary nor a marriage of Thomas to Ann. Perhaps she was Mary Ann! I don't think it was two couples.
Bedford library have the transcript of registers for Church of The United Brethren, Bedford covering period 1743 - 1857. The baptisms & burials were done mostly at Bedford & while there are marriages (but none contain Peacock) these all took place in the established church and would appear in appropriate parish register. The births/baptisms are all as extracted from IGI/Family Search & listed by David & the deaths/burials are all as per the NBI for the Bedford Moravian church.
However there are few differences & some extra info, the main one being that on 26 Jan 1832 the register has the burial of Ann Peacock age 59 married, died 22 Jan 1832 while the NBI says it is Mary Peacock? On 7 Jan 1836 Thomas Peacock aged 75 widower, died 2 Jan 1836 Riseley. Before that we have Johannes Peacock buried 26 Nov 1816 aged 64, bachelor died 24/11/1816 Riseley.
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Hi david
Sorry for not replying.to earlier post.been busy.all quiet now.did not know what .a can of worms was opening.when first posted.my querry.but had a very excellent. response.and detailed information.myself.not a chance finding out.had a reply from my family tree helper.said could not recall
where found .out the peacock information.and seems to think it all okay.says cannot find sarah whittamore.details.and am i sure.about thomas not been the son.its a bit late.but will have to kindly tell her.have made a terrible error.and must send a few peacocks out to pasture.will e-mail kathy tomorrow.as john and mary need a home.on my tree.kathy does not like deleted any people.but in this case .afraid.this is one of those times.just noticed on one of my ancestory post.have a peacock member.with gell as is family searchs.
am of to bed.and will try not to dream of peacocks.?
mike
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Hello
Was looking around.bit bored today.my team got a hammering.so trying to cheer myself up.came across this item.my not be about my peacock.family.but the name DICKINS .caught my eye.this the item.its long.
OVERSEERS OF THE POOR.SETTLEMENT.MISCELLANCOUS.
AGREEMENT.P48-16-1 4TH OCT 1743
CONTENTS
(1)
Rev Thomas Lufton.Vicar Of Keysoe.Samuel Richards.Churchwarden and Overseer.of The Poor.
Richard Brice.The Other Churchwarden.Thomas Woodham.Robert Lee.Simon Stapleton.Abraham Barber.John Barber.James Walford The Younger.Thomas Richards.Richard Robbins.Thomas Hall.
Thomas Hartop.Henry Folbig.John Halfhide.Simon Folbigg.
Principal Inhabitants Of The Parish Of Keysoe
(2)
Rev Wells.Vicar Of Riseley.John Toms.and Peter Creak .Churchwardens. Joseph Flockner and
WILLIAM PEACOCK. Overseers.
Thomas Rootham (senior) Robert Rootham (senior) Joseph Ward. Then Sadly Various Names All Scribbled Out. Benjamin Mabbs.William Ekins.John Norman.Nathaniel Harper and lastly Allen Smart
Principal Inhabitants Of The Parish Of Risey
Whereas Since The Last Quarter Sessions.For The County Of Bedfordshire.A Removel Order.Has
Been Made And Carried Out.For The Removel Of ELIZABETH DICKINS.
Widow From Keysoe To Riseley.Where She Now Resides.Inhabitants Of Both Parishs Belive It To Be
A Matter Of Grave Doubts.Whether The Said ELIZABETH DICKINS. Was Last Legally Settled In The
Parish Of Keysoe Or Riseley.Being Apprehensive That It Might Be Much More Expensive To Both
Parishs To Try And Determine The Merits Of The Settlement At Law. Than To Maintain And Clothe
Her At Their Joint Equal Expence.:Insmuch As She Is Grown Very Old: And To Avoid Any Proceedings .e.t.c. The Inhabitants Of The Two Parishs Agree That She Shall Be Maintained At The
Equal Expensive Of Keysoe And Riseley
NOW
(1) AND (2)
Agree That They Will Pay One Half Of All Sums Of Money As Shall Be Paid By Either Parish.For The
Maintenace And Support Of The Said ELIZABETH DICKINS.Provided That She Does Not By Any
Future Act Of Means Acquire A Settlement Elewhere.
SIGNATURES ALL ALL PARTIES SIGN
Just thought the peacock name and dickins name was intresting
mike
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HI
Just Had Reply To My E-MAIL .Kathy Says Am Right. Some Peacocks Need Setting Lose.Am I
Correct, In What Am Putting In
Thomas Peacock.Birth 8th dec 1760.died 1836.
Married
Mary Litchfied.birth 1773.died 1832
Parents Need To Put In
John Peacock birth 1718 died 4th nov 1792
Mary Peacock birth 1721 died 24th sept 1801.
Taking One Step AT a Time. Need To Get Right..Lots To Take In
mike
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Thomas Peacock.Birth 8th dec 1760.died 2 Jan 1836.
Married
Mary Litchfied.birth 1773.Baptised 29 Nov 1772 died 22 Jan 1832
Parents Need To Put In
John Peacock birth 1718 Baptised 20 Oct 1717 died Buried 4th nov 1792
Mary Peacock birth 1721 died Buried 24th sept 1801.
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HI Bedfordshireboy
Thank you.glad posted on here.thought had written details .of site correct.just shows .how careful need to be.just has well doing it slowly.next step is putting john and marys children in.
thanks again.
mike
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I think you need to start at the marriage of Johannes Peacock and Mary Dickins on 15 Jan 1822 at Riseley. I don't have very much confidence in anything you show before this.
Riseley marriages between 1812 & 1837
15 Jan 1822 Johannes Peacock to Mary Dickins, both of this parish
witnesses Joseph Willett & Sarah Rootham
24 Apr 1820 Charles Smith to Tryphena Peacock, both of this parish
witnesses William Smith & Ann Ekins
13 Oct 1823 Charles Warren to Flora Peacock, both of this parish
witnesses Charles Croot & Daniel Gell (parish clerk)
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Riseley marriage transcript has entry dated 25/12/1745 just saying "John & Mary Peacock by banns"
** just had a thought - wonder if this is John Peacock marrying Mary Peacock ??
Mary daughter of Thomas & Mary Peacock baptised 5/2/1722-23 ??
Beds Archives have an indexed transcribed list of the Bedford Congregation of Moravian Church (ref CRT 170/7/12) in which it contains the same Peacock names that you can get when using the on-line search at their web site, although the list has more useful details and is more correct (some website entries are incorrect I found).
One entry is for Mary Peacock junior married sister, born Riseley 2 Feb 1722/23, maiden name Peacock, received into church 17/1/1749-50, 1st admitted 5/4/1751, became widow in 1792. Her husband John Peacock buried age 75 on 4 Nov 1792
Another entry for Mary Peacock, senior, married sister - widow, born Riseley 12 Oct 1701, received 28/9/1748, 1st admitted 23/1/1749, went out of this world 15/10/1751. This Mary Peacock was buried at Bedford Moravian on 17 Oct 1751 age 51.
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Hello John p-Bedford
Am slightly confused now,does this mean can only put in Johannes Peacock
and Mary dickins marriage.forget every-thing you have told me.as you were troubled by the Johannes peacock.asking were did i get him from. wondering if back to the drawing board.
a very puzzled
mike
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Mike
I can't see that John has written anything that upsets what we've already concluded - that Johannes who married Mary Dickins was the son of Thomas who married Mary Litchfield (see reply #22 for my thoughts on Johannes).
You need to go through the whole of this thread very carefully and methodically writing up all of the information it contains. It's all in there, but it's up to you to sort it into some semblance of order. We can extract various snippets of information but with a number of people involved they don't always come out in a nice neat package, generation by generation.
David
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Hello David
Thank you for that.will take a bit of shifting .need to put the wrong peacocks out to graze.alreadly put sarah whittamore out.the correct peacocks as you say.need more food for thought.
what gerts me as the ANN or Mary 22nd jan 1832.burial.but after carefull thought.am sticking with the JOHN and MARY.because its states by banns 25.12.1745.and not john and ann by banns.
if cannot find ann any-where .makes you wonder.did mary call herself ann.as strange both ann and mary are buried 22nd jan 1832.mary was aged 59.wonder did it have age of ann.when died.
any way David as you say.its down to me.to put in correct peacocks.which thankfully had expert help.given to me.by the way is the Moravian church still in Riseley.and our there any grave-stones of peacocks deaths I wonder.
mike
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Hello Mike
We have a Johannes Peacock who married Mary Dickins in 1822 at Riseley and is on 1841 census aged 40 with children Vashni 1822, Bela 1827, Evelyn 1830 & Johanes 1831. These children were not baptised in the Bedford Moravian Church and I have not looked yet for their baptisms at Riseley. Johannes was buried Riseley aged 50 on 24 Nov 1849 rather than Bedford Moravian which makes me wonder if he is part of this Peacock Moravian families although the name has been used before in this group.
So all we have is him being born (in Riseley?) in 1799-1801, however we've not found a birth or baptism for him. There was a suggestion that he may have been the Thomas Peacock born 6 Jan 1799 at Riseley, baptised 13 Jan 1799 at Bedford Moravian to parents Thomas & Mary & was a transcription error. I looked at the original Moravian baptism & burial registers yesterday at Beds Archives and the entry is clearly Thomas & not Johannes. Thus I would say he was the replacement for the Thomas born at Riseley and baptised & buried at Bedford Moravian in 1795. The next Thomas Frederick baptised & buried in 1805, was son of Thomas & Ann Peacock. The baptism entries are as David's reply #22 taken from the IGI clearly stating Thomas & Mary & then Thomas & Ann. One odd thing is that on 26 Jan 1832 the burial register has clearly Ann Peacock married age 59 died 22 Jan 1832 at Riseley but someone has written in pencil the name Mary which is the name the NBI says.
If indeed Thomas & Mary are indeed the same couple as Thomas & Ann then why have a third Thomas born 1805 and we can find no death/burial of the 2nd Thomas. Therefore we are assuming this 2nd Thomas is your Johannes but there is no proof as yet. Other online trees on Ancestry have Johannes as son of Thomas Peacock & Mary Litchfield but they all have wrong birth years for this couple.
John
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Hello David
Just seen your reply.this is a quick thank you.as got doctors appointment.will read when come back.as seens nice.and long.
be back some time after six/tonight.suppect will be late before can sit down.to read.
mike
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Hello David
Sorry a bit late in replying to you yet again excellent post.its seems to me.the more would like to go back.and put in correct peacocks.hit a stumbling block.this Johannes seems a tricky item. what with anns.and marys.and thomas. not unsual am getting more .confused.seems to me need to but looking at thomas.instead of johannes peacock.just glad you are kindly looking through your books.
all can say is thanks. when get some ink.can print every thing been posted. and instead of a book to read at night before got to sleep.dare I READ ALL about my peacock. on second thought better not.will never get to sleep.be worrying which peacock is in whch field.better to read in the clear daylight.with a strong brew.got two days .resting.hopefully.?so after recharged batteries .may see some light.on my peacocks.my other half is not the slighted intrested in family history.so have to put a soap programme on for her.and .say oh dear. afraid will have to go on the computer.whilst your watching that.you know do not watch that.methinks best sign off.getting late.so thanks again.for excellent effort.on my behalf.
mike
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Hello John and David.
This Mainly a very big thank you.for all your hard work.on behalf of myself.do not want to think.gone silent.far from it.but had sad news.that my uncle .daughter sadly died.my brother told me the other day.barry was too upset to ring me.she sadly passed away .just over a fortnight ago.but are both trying to cope in their own way.its very hard.my heart goes out to them both.in the midst of this barry as given our tommy some photos.of the family.to pass on to me. which amazes me.that he can find the will power to look though the.then our tommy has asked me to find out my dads movements in the war.sadly cannot ask.as he died in 2000.my mum in 1995.so am trying to juggle my peacocks.with the moss .and grays.example.mary peacock my aunt married stanley moss.brian moss married into the gray family.
so hope you understand.if do not post for awhile.but would love it if david or john.found any-thing should know.its been a splendid journey.with you both
mike
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Hello Mike, Sorry to hear about your sad news.
Meanwhile I've found the baptism at Riseley parish church of the children of Johannes & Mary Peacock, blacksmith.
Vashni 1 July 1827, born 16 Jun 1822
Bela 11 Nov 1827
Evelyn 19 Jul 1829
but didn't see baptism of son Johannes 1831
Also at Riseley were baptisms of children of Charles & Flora Warren, glasier
Flora being Flora Peacock daughter of Thomas & Mary/Ann, sister of Johannes
Bani ? 6 July 1824
Elam 25 Dec 1825
Thomas Peacock 5 Aug 1827
On this last one they were living at Wollaston, Northants
Plus baptisms of children of Charles & Tryphena Smith, butcher of Chelveston, Northants
I think she is the un-named female baptised 8/2/1801, daughter of Thomas & Mary/Ann Peacock
Tryphosa daughter on 5 Aug 1827 age 2 & half years
Louisa also on 5 Aug 1827
Next more baptisms at Bedford Moravian church
13 Jan 1823, born 16/12/1822 Tryphena daughter of Charles & Tryphena Smith; witnesses to this are Thomas & Ann Peacock.
12 Sept 1829 Louisa daughter of Charles & Flora Warren
20 Nov 1831, born 15/10/1831 Charles Henry son of Charles Thomas & Flora Warren
He was buried at Moravian church on 25 Oct 1833 aged 2 years
2 Nov 1834, born 2/10/1834 Rose Ellen daughter of Charles & Flora Warren
27 Dec 1835 born 25/11/1835 Samuel son of (Charles) Thomas & Flora Warren
Also found baptism on 7 Oct 1841 of Mary Emma Warren in Wollaston & she was buried there on 14 Oct 1841 aged 3 months, I assume she's daughter of Charles & Flora.
I think the above Rose Ellen Warren is the Hellen Warren b 1835 in the household of Johannes & Mary Peacock on the 1841 census living at Riseley, while her parents Charles & Flora are living in Wollaston with Louisa & Samuel. Therefore Johannes Peacock is H/Ellen Warren's uncle & if Flora is child of Thomas & Mary/Ann then so is Johannes. I cannot find Rose Ellen or her parents in 1851 but she marries Ebenezer Chew at Biggleswade in Dec quarter 1856.
John
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Hello JOHN
Thank you so much.you wishs are warmly recieved.will be ringing barry.next week.and his good wife.barry is bearing up.he is a rugby referee.in york.and is hoping to restart.again.not been able to.as you can understand.yours kind words help a lot.as its been hard to know what to say over the phone.one as to be carefull.do not want to bring grief back.
also John.have not read your post fully.but can see .you have been busy.which is very good of you.
as feel guilty not been able to do any-thing.when I can .will sit down and read with great intrest.
have doctors tomorrow again.telling me about the back injection need to have.
thanks again John.you post brought a nice smile to my face.
mike
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Hello John
Thank you so much,for your very detailed post.full of information.dread to think .how much time and effort.put in.for me.hope to be able to start picking all the information out in correct order soon..but still a bit painfull.so taking it easy.doctor slapped me on the wrist yesterday.not following orders.he said do you know the meaning of the word.DO NOTHING. oh well could of been worse.
so have only got as far as mary dickins.not put peacocks before .her yet.so can see am going to be very busy soon.them peacocks will be spreading there wings soon.still find it intresting John.did not see a Baptism for Johannes 1831 ? so thanks again John.you will be pleased to know.when my brother says .to me.you have done well in your research. answer .its not me.its the wonderfull researchers on roots web site.would not know half to facts.in not posted.on that site.
so do spread the word.to my family in yorkshire where to come.but alas they pass it all on to me.
what fun eh.
mike