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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: Danone on Tuesday 18 March 14 23:31 GMT (UK)
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:) :) :)
Hi all
my mums family are all of those i have put what im after is jane hartshorn born 1847 barkby i have found her in sileby house servant age 14 she is the mother of sarah pryor .sarah was the mother of constance lily cooper< Nee deacon born checketts rd leicester< who was my mums mother she married ernest cooper markfield my grandfather born 1907 markfield
steve
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There are TWO main Hartshorn families from THURMASTON - My branch is Herbert Hartshorn.
Barkby is just around the corner from Thurmaston, so they may be linked.
I know my branch is the smaller family and that the other Hartshorns are the larger.
So try looking into Thurmaston area -
I will check what I have later ..... Just may be able to help.
xin
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1851 Census of Barkby has:
Robert Hartshorn 34 Mason Labourer born Leics town
Sarah " 28 " " "
Mary " 7 Sch " " Barkby
Jane " 4 " " " "
Thomas " 2 " " " "
Richard " 7m " " "
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:) :) :)Hi xin
thanks for coming back to me on that i know she did come from barkby she was john pryors wife and sarahs mother sarah was mum gran she worked for the mason family in a pub which is a muesum now ,and constance lily was mums mother she married my grandad here in markfield i have every thing will let you have that later.
ste
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:) :) :)Ernest cooper born 19th dce 1907 markfield
market bos
reg dis sub dis ibstock
linda woolman <cooper born markfield 1941 farther ernest cooper
constance lily deaco married my grandad 17th janu 1934 marriage was in leicester reg office
ernest cooper age 26 bach master green grocer 12 ashby rd markfield father joseph cooper blacksmith
constance lily deacon age 24 shoe skriver or riviter 15 checketts rd leicester father john willaim deacon shoe maker /sargent in leicester reg .chimmney sweep marrige inthe presents of j.william deacon and l .biddles married by lic before me
lionel p norris regitrar
geo hy Barradell superindent reg
my mum married 1960 St miheals al angels markfield green
17th sept 1960
colin tom woolman age 21 bach engineer 38 belvoir rd coalville father tom henry ernest woolman radio tvengineer
linda cooper age 19 spinster hosiery worker 98 main street markfield father ernest cooper coalminer /quarryman married after banns by me ross cole some thing cant make his last name out curate
marriage in the presents of erenest cooper graham smedley
mum whent to live with my aunts in markfield village has her mum had passedaway amy cooper and lewis anderson amy was my grandads sister born 1904 evlyn cooper born 1902 father joseph cooper born 1875 blacksmith.
john pryor born 1842 great dalby leicestershire
census place barkby
on the 1881 he was aged 39 spouse jane pryor <hartshorn >age 34
children edwin pryor
mary j pryor
sarah pryor
john m pryor
george .h. pryor
Harriet E pryor
andrew .L pryor
jane hartshorn father was robert aged 34mason lab
mother sarah hartshorn
children jane dau aged 4 scholar born barkby thomas hartshorn son aged 2 born barkby
Richard hartshorn born barkby looks like they worked for the taylor family .
sarahpryor whent to work at barkby grange for Arthur j kirk
before she worked for the mason family at the rylands brewery house beeston st john the baptist
rush cliffe notts edward mason age 72 male retired lace draughtsmen were born new radford notts.
wife mary mason married age 54 were born Derbyshire wilne
relation to head of family sarah pryor
servant
age 28 female
general servant
were born leicester barkby
sarah pryor born 1872 barrow up on soar vol 7a page 150 sarah and john william deacon married oct -nov -dec 1904
leicester
vol 7a page 363
steve.
ihave vereything on the familys and photos of john and sarah and jane and her children and constance and my grandad .
and of my mum and dad.i was born born 14th of march 1964
steve
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:) :) :)i also have every thing on mum cooper family and they married into the frost family Newtown linford and theyworked for the lady jane grey family bradgate park house .i live just up theroad from.
ste
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:) :) :)Hi xinia
i meant sya also that my cooper side is also geary as well and frost Newtown linford leicestershire they worked for ady jane Greys family at bradgate park house the coopers married into the geary family from stanton under bardon elizabeth geary born 1810 her father married alice frost from my lane .here in markfield Newtown linford there is a website which is called frost and gilchrist and related families .which my family are on .
steve
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:) :) :)Hi susieroe
thanks for the hartshorns
thats the right family i found why jane hartshorn was in rutland she was a house servant but couldnt find out who she was working for .i found her on the sileby 1861 census which is on google ,i did send the webmaster an email but not heard any thing.
thanks
Danone
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Wow you do have an interesting family and so much information.. Well done you
xin
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:) :) :)Hi xin
i thank you so much for nice comment .
if you find any connection to mine one come an d knock on my door and let me know wwould love to meet and relatives and ancesters of mums and dads .
many thanks
ste
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My late mum-in-law recalled having some cousins by the name of Hartshorn who farmed in Hungarton, just a mile or two from Thurmaston - it's quite possible they may be linked to your family in some way. There is a Hartshorn Close in Thurmaston, too, which I suspect may be named after a branch of that family.
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Hi jaxyfone
thanks for coming back to me on this if she would like to speak to me at any time .im in markfield lane newtown linford under the woolman name just ask for steve
morning or afternoon .me and my mums cousion are doing both families cooper markfield and geary .woolman side come from turlangton leicester and hartshorn and pryor come from barkby sarah pryor married john william deacon born 1877 checkkets road leicester they constance lily deacon .who become cooper when she married my grandad cooper mum was born 1941 markfield lane newtown linford ,her mum passedaway so she moved in with my aunt amy cooper who lived in markfield village until she married in 1960 into the woolman family from his father and mother her proper name was vera elizabeth page born whitwick 1913 she has since passedaway and my grandfather .before she married her family cmae from ruddington notts his side of the family came from county sligo in irelnd ,the page sdie married into windebank family Hugglescote they married into the chapman family here so its gone round in a circle ,but in those days there only farming quarrying .mining so all the famlys knew each other and were bound to marry some times .my mums father he worked as a master green grocer a quarryman and miner .mum worked in palitoy in coalville which as since gone she does upholstery now .
thanks
Danone
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:) :) :)Hi jaxy fone
is there a maiden name for your late mother in law so i may be able to find her in my work .
thanks
Danone
my hartshorn was jane she married john pryor
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Sadly she died a few years ago, but I do remember every time we drove out near the farm (somewhere near the Black Boy pub at Hungarton) she'd tell me about her cousin who went to live there but whom she hadn't seen for years. When we first moved to Thurmaston we lived opposite Hartshorn Close and she remarked then that it might have been named for, quote, "my cousin's family, because they were quite prominent". I will ask my husband, because I think he has memory of visiting the farm as a small boy, but it's likely to be a very feint one.
It's not a side of my husband's family that we've researched much of at the moment, but mother in law's family were linked to the Salsburys/Salisburys and Loves of Oakham, and the Pridmores of Leicester, just in case you come across those names in the meantime.
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:) :) :)Hi again
thanks for sending some more
what i will do is contact mums cousion she lives in leicester i have her email as well as address and phone number i will give her what you have sent me she should be able to work with on this as the hartshorn family are from our family side i do have some pictures of jane with her children also have a photo of her and johns headstone .jane was a house servant for a farmer out in sileby which i have to go and have a look in the record office soon .sileby came under rutland then.i love oakham my self some times come shopping there , and go to the church for tea that faces the car park
Danone
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I have just spoken to my husband. He thinks his(female) relative was a Hartshorn who married into the family that owned the farm. The last he knew the farm was still in the same family. He can't remember his relative's first name, though.
I have located the actual farm for you. It's Village Farm, on Baggrave Road, opposite Coal Baulk. The OS reference is SJ 685 075. OH says he can remember one of the houses being built for one of the farm staff in the 1950s/60s - as you'll see if you look on Google earth, the houses are relatively new.
Thurmaston does have a heritage group - http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tmi45/ - whose members may be able to tell you more about the family. I notice their 'Families' page has four Hartshorns listed.
I'd be interested to know your findings.
As an afterthought, are you aware that there is a Woolman family who were very prominent Leicester Quakers, back in the day? John Woolman is very well documented, I believe.
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Wow - thanks for that link. It shows Herbert Hartshorn a wonderful man, although he was not related by blood, he was my Step Grandfather and a really really lovely man. Bless him.
xin
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:) :) :)Hi jaxifone
my mums cousion as asked me to leave her email with you .
glenlee@10sky .com
she will get back to you as soon as she can .
Danone
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:) :) :)Hi All
been out today and have spoken to a mr Widdorson markfield ashby road markfield ,he knew my mums family .he spoke of one of them he called Bibby Cooper .which i hadnt heard of , turns out it was my uncle walter cooper my grandfathers brother .ernest cooper born 1907 markfield which came under market bosworth .they lived in Number 12 and the rest of the family lived in Number 11 ashby road markfield .he told me that one of the markfield books had been writen wrong ,the house were he lives ,now was a shop .and also sold petrol .his father was the garage owner he had worked on my grandads morgan which i have found the bill for .he also tells me that my grandads family did actully come from wood house eves leicestershire .sibby cooper whent to live in old house road copt oak as you go up the hill towards the pub /rest he whent into the navy he was called the Markfield boxer. there was albert cooper as well and Margreat cooper wife of albert she had jane cooper my mums cousion
Danone
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How lucky are you - wow - to be able to find someone who can tell you real facts about your family.
Great.
:)
xin
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Hi xinia
It's Steve
Just got my iPad back its been in for repair any just found your message about the hartshorns that are from mums cousion in Leicester Jane hartshorn who married John Pryor barkby I have photos of the family as well that glenise sent me ,if you do find the link to mine let me know I'd love to have another cousion out there ,I have every bit on them Jane wheat to sileby to work for a smith .sarah Pryor she worked for the mason family out in beeston in their pub now a museum .
Steve
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Hi xinia
It's Steve
I'm trying to find your message
Ste
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Hello xxx
sorry have been out and about.. Now let me read the query again
xin
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=681180.msg5257329#msg5257329
here is the post I think you meant..
Read through when you have time and let me know what and where you are querying - I will then see if we have a match.
take care and again apologies for lax response
;)
Xin
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My mums cousion is on face book were I talk to her her father was John Pryor born great Dalby Leicestershire he married Jane hartshorn born Oakham
John date of birth is 1842 he was farm lab .
Sarah Pryor born 1872 barkby she married John William deacon born 1877 in checketts road Leicester .he was a chimney sweep shoe maker and Sargent in the Leicestershire regiment Sarah worked at barkby grange and also for Mr Mrs mason in their pub called Roland's brewery which is a museum now she was a servant there in 1901 .his name was Edward his wife was Mary mason (brown) he married her in 1888 .when Sarah married John William deacon they married 1904 ,they had Constance lily deacon she married my grandad Ernest cooper markfield born 1907 father Joseph cooper born 1875 blacksmith ,he married Mary Helen Massey .john and Jane had glenise deacon she
married a John lee.
Sarah worked for Arthur .j. Kirk at the grange Pryor Sarah 7a 365 1881 Rg11;piece :3181; folio 84 page 8.
59 grange Gaddesby .
But nada email from a Keith Randon some time ago he said barkby grange was once owned by major poaching.
Sarah Pryor servant 18 years old 1891 census
Piece Rg12;piece : 2523 ;folio 91 ;page 14
Free bad
As Arthur stokes Kirk married Elizabeth broughton
Barkby grange
Family living there was
Arthur .s. Kirk
Elizabeth 29 yrs .b. Uffington lincoln
Arthur age 23 yrs farmers son .b. Croxton.
George f age -6 .b ditto
Fred age 13 yrs old Gaddesby.
Charles 3yrs old barkby.
Herbert .j age 2 yrs old sme
Edward T 6 months old same
Sarah Pryor
Steve
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After Sarah married Constance lily deacon she married mums dad my mum was born 1940's markfield lane Newtown linford Linda cooper she's woolman now married a Colin woolman born Belvoi road Coalville 1930's ?father Thomas Henry Ernest woolman .b. Ashburton Road Hugglescote Coalville Leicester mother vera Elizabeth page born 1913 whitwick .father Hebert page born 1872 Ruddington notts.came to live in whitwick St Mary's Terrs ,thornborough .road and green lane whitwick,
Then Coalville dads father was Ernest John woolman born 1880 turlangton Leicester ,mother fanny woolman (freer )shepshed moved to the old row bardon hill quarry .then to Ashburton road were grandad was born in 1912.two sons my grandad and Robert George woolman .
Ste
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Wow - that's a lot of information, sorted.. Well done
xin
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It's Rylands brewery
We're Sarah worked every time I tryed to put it in it spelt it wrong.
Steve
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I have been attempting to match up our various Hartshorns... but it seems there were two families of that name in Thurmaston and I am sorry but my lot don't link to yours (at least I don't think they do)
I haven't gone back to far as they are only STEP relations my father's 2nd wifes family..
So the furthest I go is to Charles Hartshorn and his wife Mary Ann Ellen. They would be circa 1870's.
will read your info a bit more to check it out...
Xin
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Hi all
Please can any help me with this my mums relatives Charles cooper and Elizabeth geary when they married in 1830 in Thornton it says William geary / Ann Hopkinson ,I found Ann Hopkinson and her family markfield they were witness was William Geary her brother or uncle who nephew Elizabeth was born 1810 Stanton under bardon father John geary mother Alice geary ( frost) I always wanted to know this as there was a William geary living at Stoke heys farm were Charles and Elizabeth lived number 60 Stoke heys farm Ratby lane markfield back in 1851 .
Thanks
Steve
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Xinia
Do you know Charles and Mary's birth date and Mary's maiden name? A lady called Ann Price and myself have managed to sort out a fair bit of the thurmaston families.
I am related to a Charles hartshorn and Mary smith
Jon
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Hello
Sorry no idea they are my Fathers 2nd wife's relations.
All I have is Herberts birth cert. in rather a dilapidated state... and it states
Charles Hartshorn and Mary Ann Allen.
Are you the whoops ?! person :) I spoke to regarding the bible??
xin
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Hi
Had a quick look. I have a Charles hartshorn and an Emma Allen. Charles born 1846 and Emma 1841 I think. Living on barkby road thurmaston on 1881 census.
I'll have a look to see if i can find anything else. As far as I can tell, all the thurmaston families can trace back to john hartshorn born 1740. The families seem to move between belgrave, birstal and thurmaston.
I think we have spoke before but don't think it was the bible
Jon