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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Norfolk => England => Norfolk Lookup Requests => Topic started by: LizzieL on Wednesday 19 March 14 11:12 GMT (UK)
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According to Familysearch Kenneth Fowler married Maria Nile in (Great) Yarmouth on 20 Dec 1795. They baptised a daughter Ann a year later also in Great Yarmouth, although mother is listed as Mary Ann in this entry. All subsequent records of their later children's baptisms record her as Mary Ann as does her death record in Jersey in 1837.
I would be grateful if someone could check this marriage and if there are any details of witnesses etc.
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You could request a copy of the image for the marriage (and another 4 images at the same time) direct from FamilySearch, using this form:
http://lds.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_9tdS7lqbTCW30kR
It might take 4-6 weeks to arrive, but at least you'd be able to see the originals for yourself and make your own mind up.
STG
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Thank you. I didn't realise images were available apart from those with the camera symbol. On the person details page for the marriage it does say "no image available" though.
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Thank you. I didn't realise images were available apart from those with the camera symbol. On the person details page for the marriage it does say "no image available" though.
I think that "no image available" means that it's not viewable elsewhere on a paid site, like Ancestry or FindMyPast etc.
I've applied for plenty where "no image available" and got all of them.
Gotta be worth a go, eh?
STG
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Just sent the form.
See what happens.
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Hi
The 20 Dec 1795 was the last date their Banns were read see..
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yj7/
Can't find their marriage though. Yarmouth St. Nicholas marriages can be seen here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yj8/
yokel
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Thanks for the links, I'm only just discovering what scans of actual records can be viewed on Family Search. I have now also checked the marriage records for the three months after banns read and like you can find no marriage. I have read somewhere that if the couple did not want to marry in their own church they could have banns read in a different church as well as their own church(es). If that is true then maybe that could have happened. Kenneth Fowler was in the Royal Artillery stationed in Gt Yarmouth, maybe army marriages took place in their own chapel??
Their first child was baptised on 22 Dec 1796 in Gt Yarmouth (Non-Conformist chapel I think), so it does indicate a marriage shortly after last banns read. It's becoming a bit of a mystery now, and I thought it would be straightforward - confirm Mary Ann / Maria's name and see if any witness names were significant in the hopes I might find one or both of their parents or a sibling.
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I note that all their childrens baptisms took place in non-conformist churches. One was a son Jon in 1799 at Scots Church, Woolwich and wondered therefore is Kenneth Fowler was Scottish.
His name being quite distinctive and with so few around I wonder whether he could be the Keneth Foular bp.5/7/1762 Urquhart & Logie Wester, Ross and Cromarty, son of James Foular and Margaret Mccrae.
Annette
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Just sent the form.
See what happens.
The transcript of the ‘marriage’ on FamilySearch is sourced to Film 1526490. The FamilySearch catalogue identifies this film as Burials, 1867-1901. Banns, 1754-1821. So I'm afraid they will be sending you a copy of the banns entry, not the marriage. Unfortunately FS rarely distinguish in their online transcripts between banns and marriage records. :(
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Hi Annette7. I had thought the same myself about his Scottish origins, and his year of birth is abt 1761 (calc from age at death). I had noted the same baptism as a possibility although it was a year later. I did try posting on the relevant Scottish board to see if anyone could trace the Kenneth Fowler born there. If there was marriage and death for him in Scotland, he could be ruled out. But no-one had any information unfortunately.
I wondered whether there might be a clue to Kenneth's parents in the children's names. He named his third son James but no daughter Margaret. The name Isabella seems to keep recurring. Kenneth's 3rd daughter was Isabella and two of his sons (James and Charles) named a daughter Isabella. Then Charles's daughter Charlotte named her eldest daughter (my grandmother) Isabel.
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Five years later...
Did get the image and it was the date of the last reading of banns, not marriage date, then browsed through images of marriages in that church for the following year - no luck.
Then today - breakthrough
Marriage of Kenneth Fowler and Mary Ann Nile on 14 Jan 1796 in Colchester, Essex - transcript on Freereg.
Kenneth was in the Royal (Garrison) Artillery, so could he have been posted to Colchester briefly, then back to Great Yarmouth where first child baptised on 22 Dec 1796 (born 6 Dec). Surely banns would have to be read again as it was a different parish or they would have to be married by licence. The Great Yarmouth banns said botp.
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Five years later...
Surely banns would have to be read again as it was a different parish or they would have to be married by licence. The Great Yarmouth banns said botp.
Banns for both parties would be read in both parishes for the Bride and the groom. So if Mary Ann was an incumbent of Great Yarmouth St Nicholas parish her set of banns would have been read out there.
The grooms would probably been read out in the Colchester church on the same Sundays. It may be worth checking for banns there too.
There is a set of Essex banns for Kennith Fowler and Mary Nile on Ances but I don't have a sub at the moment.
http://tiny.cc/jch3bz
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Five years later...
Surely banns would have to be read again as it was a different parish or they would have to be married by licence. The Great Yarmouth banns said botp.
Banns for both parties would be read in both parishes for the Bride and the groom. So if Mary Ann was an incumbent of Great Yarmouth St Nicholas parish her set of banns would have been read out there.
The grooms would probably been read out in the Colchester church on the same Sundays. It may be worth checking for banns there too.
Both bride and groom were from Great Yarmouth according to 1795 Banns.
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But if they were getting married in Colchester banns would be read there too. The a link is there for someone to check.
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Banns register for Colchester St Peters is not available on line and the marriage register only gives the couple's names and date of marriage - no mention of Banns or licence and no names of witnesses
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Just seen there's 2 books covering the same period. the one I just looked at seemed like just a transcript of marriages and christenings.
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This is very odd, the marriage register goes from Decembery 1795 to April 1796. My couple's marriage isn't there.
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This is very odd, the marriage register goes from Decembery 1795 to April 1796. My couple's marriage isn't there.
forget that I had the wrong year, the image is rather small on my screen
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The record of marriage includes the Banns record and they were read again in Colchester on 27Dec 1795 and 3rd and 10th Jan 1796. Both otp. So it looks as though the intention was to get married in Great Yarmouth, but he may have been posted to Colchester before that happened and they had to start the process all over again. Kenneth was a corporal at this time and one witness was David Hunter sergeant in Royal Artillery