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Hi, Everyone,
Have just purchased a copy of the book: "The Monmouth Rebels", compiled by W. Macdonald Winfield and published in 1985. It lists all the Rebels rounded up and tried at the infamous Bloody Assizes all over the West Country after the battle of Sedgemoor in 1685. Most of the individuals are from Somerset, though of course there are others from Devon and Dorset, and a very few from Wiltshire and Hampshire.
If anyone suspects they may have had family members from this time involved in this desperate episode in English history, I'm more than willing to look up any reference to them in this book...
Very best wishes,
Keith
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Hi, Everyone,
Have just purchased a copy of the book: "The Monmouth Rebels", compiled by W. Macdonald Winfield and published in 1985. It lists all the Rebels rounded up and tried at the infamous Bloody Assizes all over the West Country after the battle of Sedgemoor in 1685. Most of the individuals are from Somerset, though of course there are others from Devon and Dorset, and a very few from Wiltshire and Hampshire.
If anyone suspects they may have had family members from this time involved in this desperate episode in English history, I'm more than willing to look up any reference to them in this book...
Very best wishes,
Keith
Can you tell me if the following names appear:
Durnford, Huson/Hewson, Ryall, Dyke (in the Somerset and Dorset areas).
Channon/Channing, Gall/Galle/Gale (Devon)
Keen/Keene (Wiltshire)
Thanks
Matt
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Very kind of you Keith,
could you look for these names;
TUTCHIN & PITTS
Joe
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Hi, Matt,
There are quite a few entries for some of the names you have listed...
The CHANNON's are represented by a Caleb and a John; the CHANNING's by a John, a Matthias, a Robert, a Roger, a Thomas junior, and a William.
The DYKE family by a James, a John or Jonathan, and a Richard.
The GALE family by an Edward, a James, a John, a Joseph and a Thomas
And there's an Edward KEENE
Do any of these interest you, for further notes on them...?
Keith
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...and Joe,
A couple of TUTCHER's, but not TUTCHIN...
However, several with the PITTS surname: A James, and a James junior, another James, three by the forename of John, and yet another called Jonathan. Not much variation in the forenames there! But are any of these of interest to you?
Keith
P.S. Also several with the PITT surname
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Thanks Keith,
I'm interested to know what you have on the all the TUTCHER's and if there is a Thomas PITT(S) there at all?
Of course,this was at a time when surnames were in the formative years and had many variations so similar names would be most acceptable too.
Joe
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Joe,
I'll PM you now…
keith
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Hi, Matt,
There are quite a few entries for some of the names you have listed...
The CHANNON's are represented by a Caleb and a John; the CHANNING's by a John, a Matthias, a Robert, a Roger, a Thomas junior, and a William.
The DYKE family by a James, a John or Jonathan, and a Richard.
The GALE family by an Edward, a James, a John, a Joseph and a Thomas
And there's an Edward KEENE
Do any of these interest you, for further notes on them...?
Keith
Hi Keith
Thanks for that. I guess it depends on the areas where these people were from. Are any parish names given?
As far as the names themselves go I will check my trees to see if any of these crop up. I am certain the name John Channon/Channing crops seeral times, and I know there are lots of mentions of William and Thomas as well. All my Channon/Channing family were in Exeter.
My Dyke family is big but there are several mentions of the name James and John, although I don't think I have seen any Jonathon so far.
I can't remember who is in my Gall/Gale tree so I will check. I am sure there is a William but not sure about the rest.
I don't think there's an Edward Keene in my tree but I would be interest to know more about him in case he is linked to my Keene family.
Thanks again for the help.
Matthew
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Hi again, Matthew,
I'll PM you with the details given on all the individuals I mentioned, and you can then see whether any of them fit into your family anywhere…
keith
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I am trying to find information on Shearings - Aaron/Moses - that were rebels and sold to American Colonel as indentured slaves. Trying to find any leads on where they were from prior to being sold to America. Any mention in the book?
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Hi, rthrashert, and Welcome to Rootschat!
I'll have a look for you.
Regards, Keith
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…I'm afraid there is no-one by that surname in the list, the nearest being a John SHIERE and a Philip SHIER.
The very first name in the list is: "AARON, probably a negro servant, Mr Palmer's man of Bishop's Hull (Somerset), absent, not taken - but I don't imagine this is who you are looking for!
Keith
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Hello there. I'm quite sure my family name 'Holder' was caught up in the Monmouthshire Rebelion. Is that right? I have only got back to 19th century with this so far, and any 'Holder' was slaved out in Barbados.
Thank you
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Hi, Rosali,
Just had a look, and there isn't a single HOLDER name in the list, I'm afraid…
Keith
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Hi Keith,
I think that I have pinpointed my John Tutchin as I have just found this;
"In the summer of 1685 when still in his early twenties he joined the Duke of Monmouth's Rebellion under the assumed name of Thomas PITTS."
If you could relook his assumed name it would be great.
Joe
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Hi, Joe,
There is no one individual with the name "Thomas PITTS", there is a Thomas PITT, a worsted comber, of Tiverton, imprisoned in the High Gaol, Devon…
and several men with the PITTS surname, namely:
James PITTS, mercer, of Lyme Regis
James PITTS junior, presented at Wells, recommended for a pardon
Three entries of a John PITTS, who might have referred to the same man - John PITTS of Knowle St Giles, "in the rebellion and not come in". Tried at Dorchester, and transported for Booth on the "Happy Return" from Weymouth, Sep 25th to Barbados; sold to Col Richard Williams.
…and a Jonathan PITTS of Knowle St Giles…
All very confusing, and quite possibly none of these entries refer to your man…
Keith
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Thanks Keith,
In my last post I was referring to John Tutchin who was made a prisoner by Judge Jeffreys who for John's part in the rebellion would have him 'flogged through every town in Dorset' and became known as 'The Bloody Assizes'
Joe
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Joe,
Strange, then, that his name does not appear in the extensive list of almost four thousand "Rebels", either under his real name or under his alias. Maybe the list is not as exhaustive as we are led to believe. Do you know from which town or village he hailed...?
Keith
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Mea Culpa Keith I should have been paying attention.
There were two Monmouth rebellions see here;
http://www.historytoday.com/robin-clifton/james-iis-two-rebellions
and the Glorious revulution here;
http://www.historytoday.com/steve-pincus/1688-fight-future
gurss I got my re wrong,'Joevolutions
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Hi Keith, have you come across anyone with the Darch surname?
Thank you, Billiegirl
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Billiegirl,
Just had a look, and there are no DARCH's I'm afraid, the nearest in alphabetical order are DARBY and DARE (8 of them), and a DARSON...
Regards, Keith
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Many thanks for looking, its a very interesting topic :) :)
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Billiegirl,
That's fine, it only took me a moment. And yes, it's one of the saddest, most savage episodes in British/English history, I think…
Keith
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…I'm afraid there is no-one by that surname in the list, the nearest being a John SHIERE and a Philip SHIER.
The very first name in the list is: "AARON, probably a negro servant, Mr Palmer's man of Bishop's Hull (Somerset), absent, not taken - but I don't imagine this is who you are looking for!
Keith
Hi Keith, I have just seen this! Is there anymore information on John and Philip? I've got quite a few Shire/Shier variants in my tree. :)
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Clarkey500,
Right, I'm presently away on holiday for a few days, but I'm back tomorrow. So will look those two up in my book tomorrow...!
Keith
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Clarkey500,
Right, I'm presently away on holiday for a few days, but I'm back tomorrow. So will look those two up in my book tomorrow...!
Keith
Thanks, sorry for disrupting you on your holiday!
Hope you had a good time! :)
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May be of interest to some. George Jeffreys, 1st Baron of Wem (The Hanging Judge) 1645 to 1689. Lord Chancellor.
Wiki only places his residence at Lowe Hall, Wem. However, he lived at Bulstrode Park, near Gerrards Cross, Bucks.
Two of his daughters were married at St Mary's, Hedgerley. Bulstrode may well have been within the parish of Hedgerley. I can't think of any old church at Gerrards Cross. Gerrards was originally Jarret's. Just a crossroads intersecting the now A40 with a road running from Slough to Amersham etc. There was a gibbet there where highwaymen were hanged.
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Thanks very much for that very interesting extra background, Regorian!
...and Clarkey500, mis-spelled John SHEIRE (sic): "Presented at Wells and bound over."
Philip SHIER junior, miller: "Of Lyme Regis, absent, supposed."
Looks like neither suffered in the aftermath...
Keith
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Thanks Keith! :)
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There is a book , free to read , on the site
babel.hathitrust.org
which lists the "rebels" who were convicted & then transported to Barbados in 1685 .
Along with their names are their ages , occupations , which prison they had been held in , which ship they were transported on & from which Port , the name of the ship's Captain , and if they survived the journey ( some died & were " buried at sea " - those that died en route are also named ) the date when they arrived / were delivered in Barbados & the name of the person who bought them.
There is also a list of names of those that " survived " their 10 year sentence and were allowed to buy passage from Barbados , with dates , names of the ships and their destinations - some returned to the U.K. but most who left Barbados went to the U.S.
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Hi, Everyone,
Have just purchased a copy of the book: "The Monmouth Rebels", compiled by W. Macdonald Winfield and published in 1985. It lists all the Rebels rounded up and tried at the infamous Bloody Assizes all over the West Country after the battle of Sedgemoor in 1685. Most of the individuals are from Somerset, though of course there are others from Devon and Dorset, and a very few from Wiltshire and Hampshire.
If anyone suspects they may have had family members from this time involved in this desperate episode in English history, I'm more than willing to look up any reference to them in this book...
Very best wishes,
Keith
Dear Keith,
I hope this finds you well?
I wondered if it might be possible for you to look up Sweetland /Swetland /sweatland/swatland for me please?
Best wishes
Emma
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Hi again, Matthew,
I'll PM you with the details given on all the individuals I mentioned, and you can then see whether any of them fit into your family anywhere…
keith
Hi Keith
It's been a while since I looked at this board and I've found out a bit more about the families I mentioned. Would you mind resending me the details you found regarding the name Dyke please?
Many thanks
Matt
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Hi, Everyone,
Have just purchased a copy of the book: "The Monmouth Rebels", compiled by W. Macdonald Winfield and published in 1985. It lists all the Rebels rounded up and tried at the infamous Bloody Assizes all over the West Country after the battle of Sedgemoor in 1685. Most of the individuals are from Somerset, though of course there are others from Devon and Dorset, and a very few from Wiltshire and Hampshire.
If anyone suspects they may have had family members from this time involved in this desperate episode in English history, I'm more than willing to look up any reference to them in this book...
Very best wishes,
Keith
Hi Keith,
I’m looking for any info on John Minifee, out of Honiton/Dorset
Much Appreciated
Amber
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Any Luffman involved, could be Dorset, Somerset or Wiltshire. Variant spellings, Loughman. Thanks Keith.
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Hi Keith,
Could you look up for any DAY family members in the rebels I had read elsewhere there were involved. Also if any ROWETT family members were there.
Kind Regards
Sean
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There is a book , free to read , on the site
babel.hathitrust.org
which lists the "rebels" who were convicted & then transported to Barbados in 1685 .
Along with their names are their ages , occupations , which prison they had been held in , which ship they were transported on & from which Port , the name of the ship's Captain , and if they survived the journey ( some died & were " buried at sea " - those that died en route are also named ) the date when they arrived / were delivered in Barbados & the name of the person who bought them.
There is also a list of names of those that " survived " their 10 year sentence and were allowed to buy passage from Barbados , with dates , names of the ships and their destinations - some returned to the U.K. but most who left Barbados went to the U.S.
I've been looking for the book Gaynor refers to in her post to help with my research but haven't managed to find it. Has anyone managed to find it? If so, can you point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks
Jayne