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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: Valerie Prince on Thursday 20 March 14 05:34 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I've hit a brick wall with my ancestor Maurice Cleary, a blacksmith, b. about 1812 in Monasterevin. I know he was married in 1845 to Alice (Ally) Dunne and they had several children. But I can't seem to find any leads further in the past. Here are my questions:
- I am currently in possession of a microfilm of the Roman Catholic Monasterevin parish records from 1819, courtesy of the Mormons, but the quality of the scan is terrible. Are there any other digitized parish records available online which I can search? I have some leads on potential siblings of Maurice's who may have been born after him (Bridget, Margaret, William, possibly Thomas). I'm hoping to search the entire book for Clearys.
- Are there any records dating before 1819, possibly as part of another parish if Monasterevin was served by a different church nearby?
- I know that Maurice leased his smithy in Skirteen from the Marquis of Drogheda, and that at least one of his children is buried in the Passlands cemetery. Are there any searchable records for this cemetery? I'm not sure where Maurice is buried (he died 4 Nov 1893) but I'd like to find his grave.
- Maurice's grandson recalled Maurice telling a story that his own grandfather was Thomas Cleary, a blacksmith in Monasterevin. Supposedly Thomas was hanged by the British in the 1798 rebellion for secretly forging swords for the Irish. I would love to be able to substantiate this claim but cannot find the definitive connection from Maurice to Thomas, or proof of Thomas's actions.
Thanks so much for any help you can provide! Please let me know if you need any additional information.[/list]
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Information on this site re Passlands graveyard.
http://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/your-community/district-notes/monasterevin-1-3840638
annclare
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Here's what I found there:
Passlands & Yewtree Cemeteries
Booklets on the two graveyards have been compiled by Monasterevin Historical Society and the Parish office.The booklet give a brief history of the cemeteries and include a listing of the graves. and are available to buy in the Parish office. Cost is 3 euro.
Alas, I live in the US, so I'll have to see if I can get someone to pick up a booklet for me.
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Can't find anything on Thomas but it's clear that blacksmiths were 'questioned' after the rebellion.
http://kildarelocalhistory.ie/1798-rebellion/background-to-rebellion/government-repression/
You have to hope he wasn't one who suffered the Triangle.
Forging swords seems unlikely, it was probably pikes.
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Hi Valerie
I'm not far from Monasterevin so I'll give the parish office a ring in the morning and check they have the booklet and go pick one up for you. I should be able to scan it and email it to you so if you can pm me your email address I'll get that sorted for you.
Regards
Lostandfound
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Not sure if there are still people actively researching from this thread. I am trying to help a friend who is researching a Thomas William Cleary who is believed to have come from Kildare to England. He married Gladys Anne Wynn in Walsall Staffs in 1918 so would probablyhavebeen born in the 1880s or maybe the 1890s. I have seen a reference on Ancestry to a Thomas Cleary b 1867, but maybe a tad early for a 1918 wedding in England.
Thoughts anyone please ?
Thsnks very much
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Have you got his father's name and occupation from his marriage?
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There are 9 Thomas Cleary births registered in reg districts that include Kildare between 1880 and 1900.
This will give the Reg districts
https://www.swilson.info/regdistmap.php
And here you can see images of the birth Certs
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
But before even looking there I would get his father's name and narrow down his age if possible, in maybe on his marriage cert, is he in the 1921 Census of England and Wales?
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Looks like he and Gladys are in Leeds in 1939. Birthdate of 1 Aug 1884.
Ian C
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Thanks for your contributions - This is the info I have
Thomas William Cleary came over from "Ireland" married Gladys Ann Wynn in Walsall in 1918
On the 1901 Census Gladys was "boarding" at Norton Canes (South Staffs) born in 1900 and the head of that household was
Thomas and Gladys had three children between 1918 and 1931 but Thomas then disappeared, maybe died. Gladys married Alfred Perry in 1936 and in the 1939 register they are listed as
Alfred Perry
Gladys Perry
Dorothy Cleary - pencilled through Boden whom she later married
Percy Cleary
Winifred Cleary - pencilled through Boden who she later married
By an extreme quirk both Dorothy and Winifred married unrelated Bodens although one is sometimes listed as Leonard Baden not Boden
So Gladys's timeline was b 1900, m 1918, widowed after 1931 (Winifred born) then m again to Alfred Perry in 1936
I have just discovered Thomas was "hiding in plain sight" born in 1895 and living in Walsall with his dad Kogger and mum Kale with the surname Clarey. Obviously spelling is an issue but thanks all for your assistance on this.
Case closed !!!!