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Title: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: Marinablue on Thursday 20 March 14 10:11 GMT (UK)
My great grandfather's brother was Walter Gay died at the POW hospital in St Quentin, France on 04/06/1918.

He was a soldier (private) for the 10Th Battalion, Gloucestershire Regiment, army number 204026.

Sadly, Walter's existence was never mentioned within our family, living relatives are puzzled by this.

Being a complete novice, I have a copy of his death certificate, but where can I gain any other documents connected to this young man who fought for our country.

Plus I would like to know whether Walter Gay has a gravestone somewhere; maybe in France, Gloucestershire.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. thank you
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: rosball on Thursday 20 March 14 11:52 GMT (UK)
Here is his grave info - St Souplet British Cemetery in France
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/320691/GAY,%20W


regards,
   Ros

adding : And here is a photograph  :) http://www.twgpp.org/information.php?id=2624337
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: jim1 on Thursday 20 March 14 15:15 GMT (UK)
There's a medal card for him stating he received the Victory & British Medals.
It appears he may have been captured during the German Spring offensive 1918.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yjq/ 
If you scroll down the page you will see British POW's at St. Quinten.

jim
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: Marinablue on Friday 21 March 14 10:18 GMT (UK)
Hi Roz,

Thank you so much for your help to find Walter's resting place. Your help is greatly appreciated and my family will be pleased. kind regards, sian
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: rosball on Friday 21 March 14 10:55 GMT (UK)
A pleasure to help Sian  :) 

But I was just finding web links and the ones who we need to thank are the wonderful volunteers who photograph the headstones.  It is so wonderful to find a photograph of a headstone for a relative who has died so far from home.  ( It brings a few tears to my eyes ... well perhaps I have a cold )

regards,
  Ros
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: Marinablue on Friday 21 March 14 19:24 GMT (UK)
Ros,

What a lovely surprise about the head stone for Walter Gay; it is a tear moment as my eyes did fill up. Very moving and I am truly thankful to the volunteers who took the photograph.

Take care. Sian
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: Marinablue on Friday 21 March 14 19:50 GMT (UK)
Hi Jim,

A big thank you. The link definitely gave me a greater insight of Walter's duty as a soldier and the battle he met. I will document this info and pass it on to present and future relatives.

I wonder if you can explain the medal card, the medals; sorry to ask but this is overwhelming at times but so interesting.

So, can I request/apply to 'a particular' organisation to gain why Walter Gay was rewarded these medals.   

Kind regards

Sian
 
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: jim1 on Saturday 22 March 14 12:59 GMT (UK)
The British War Medal was issued to all those who served in a theatre of war 1916-18.
Prior to this the 14/15 Star was awarded. As he didn't receive one of these you know he wasn't overseas before 1916.
The Victory Medal was issued to all serving soldiers.
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: Marinablue on Sunday 23 March 14 07:13 GMT (UK)
Jim,

Thank you again for the info and the explanation of the medals. My family and I feel a lovely connection to Walter and he will be remembered.


take care, Sian
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 23 March 14 09:13 GMT (UK)


"....I have a copy of his death certificate, but where can I gain any other documents connected to this young man...."



Is your interest confined to his military record?
 
Find My Past has details of his death and gives his birthplace as "Kingswood, Bristol". I think I have found him on the 1911 Census but Rootschat rules preclude posting details of the 1911 Census..

This leads to the 1901 Census (RG13  2350  8  5)
Joseph Gay, Head, Marr, 39, Shoemaker
Esther Gay, Wife, Marr, Shoe Maker
Children - George 16 (Tram Conductor), William 12, Earnest 8, Ethel 3, Elizabeth 21, Frederick 18 (Tram Conductor),
Ann Jeffries, Aunt, Single, Cotton Weaver
All born Kingswood, address Hanham Road, Kingswood

Was Walter christened Walter E(a)rnest? I can find him as Walter in 1911 but there is no Walter in the 1901 family - only an Earnest with the same year of birth as the 1911 Walter

FreeBMD has a birth record for a Walter Ernest Gay, Keynsham, Mar 1893, 5c  588 (Kingswood comes under Keynsham Registration District) 
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: Marinablue on Tuesday 25 March 14 17:25 GMT (UK)

Hi,

Walter Gay was my Great Grandfather's brother. So I am 100% certain of his parents and his siblings. Walter was not Walter E Gay and the 1911 census you chosen is not the correct one.
But thank you so much for your support and inquiry.

I was looking for information about Walter's military records, as I am a complete novice, hence my request.

Take care

Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: mareanna on Thursday 23 July 15 17:00 BST (UK)
extract from register of soldier's effects  :(
St Quentin
Title: Re: ww1 records of a william Gay, Gloucestershire regiment, 10th Batallion, help
Post by: km1971 on Sunday 26 July 15 08:46 BST (UK)
204026 was in a block (starting 200001) allocated to the 4th Gloucesters in March 1917. They had 1st/4th, 2nd/4th and 3rd/4th Battalions in 1917 so they would have taken the first 2000 or so. 4026 suggests a very late joining date. He would have started in the 3rd Bn 4th Gloucesters for training. He may have been with the 2nd/4th in France for a while. Or was sent straight to the 10th Battalion in France. By this time they did not change the six-digit numbers when a man was transferred.

According to http://www.1914-1918.net/glos.htm they were disbanded in February 1918 so he must have been captured before then.

Here is the 10th's last War Diary - http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C7351896

If you have the time you can look for records that have survived for men with nearby numbers, to discover when he was conscripted.

Ken