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Has any one any ideas on this one please?
I have a Catherine Kendall who was baptised in Morland 26th July 1750.
She married William Smith 1774 in Morland and had two children Margaret & Isabel.
On Family Search it says her father was John Kendall.
The likely contender was John Kendall and his wife Grace Brown but after much research I have ruled them out. I now have his will dated 1761 and it mentions all his 6 children Isabel, Grace,Matthew, William, Christian and Richard. No Catherine.
Can anyone find any other likely John Kendall and his wife who could be her parents?
Any help or ideas gratefully received.
Thank you.
Judy
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Hi
Can't really help but there was a census taken in 1787, and there were a few Kendal(l) families in Morland. There were three John Kendalls, two whose families could be ruled out as they had young children, the other an innholder with wife Mary. That is if he was still alive by this point.
Here is a link to the census
www.edenlinks.co.uk/RECORDS/CC/MORL.HTM
claire
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Thank you for that.
I had forgotten to look there but you would think that she would still have relatives in Morland.
Maybe either Mary who looks like a widow or John the Innkeeper who you mentioned.
As you can see John was a VERY popular Kendall name.
Thank you.
Judy
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From the 1787 Constable Census which you directed me to Claire I have made a tenuous link to my Catherine Kendall.
I know she married William Smith who farmed at a farm called 'Hesley' near Morland. He died there in 1824. Now when looking for John Kendall the Innkeeper on Google then I came up with this, amongst other docs.
Conveyance WSMB/K7/1/T10 29 June 1802
These documents are held at Cumbria Record Office, Kendal
Contents:
1. John Kendal of Morland, innkeeper, son and heir of John Kendal, late of Hasley, Morland parish, yeoman, deceased, who was eldest brother and heir of Thomas Kendal late of Kendal, blacksmith, deceased.
So looking at that, then 'Hasley' could very easily be 'Hesley'. This would make sense if William Smith and his wife Catherine nee Kendall took over the farm of Hesley from John Kendall, her father.
I also found a precis of the above Thomas Kendalls will which names his wife as Barbary, a brother John, a brother Edmund and sister Isabel Hugill amongst others. He also had a son John but he seems to be lost at sea.
Any help with these would be gratefully received. I now believe that John Kendall the Innkeeper could have been my Catherine's brother.
Now I am trying to find out when John Kendall of Hesley died and if there was a farm name after his death. I will post a 'look-up' and see if anyone is going to the Kendal Archives to look that up in the Morland deaths.
Then I need to get in touch with the Kendal Archives to buy a copy of this document.
However I need to research a little further to see if there are any other documents I should order at the same time as it is cheaper that way.
It looks like I may be getting somewhere - thanks Claire.
Judy
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Hi
Not sure if this is coincidence or not but the 1802 conveyance document dated 29 JUNE 1802 is a month after the burial of
John Kendal aged 64 yrs ( late of Penrith ) died 16 May 1802, buried St Lawrence Church Morland, husband of GRACE KENDAL ( 1745 - 4 Apr. 1824 ). A daughter Mary Hartley (wife of Daniel) is also mentioned.
So ~ this man could be a brother of Catherine ?
This could well be his marriage ~ John Kendal bn. c 1740 married Grace Chamley 15 August 1772 Morland
The burial info is from www.findagrave.com , there are a few Kendall/Kendal burials on there from Morland (St Lawrence)
claire
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Hi....again !
There is a Hesley farm in Morland today, here is the address
Hesley Farm
CA10 3BH Morland
Cumbria
Found it on G**gle maps, a poultry farm!! Looks quite old.
claire
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Thank you very much for your replies.
I am looking through some of my research about John Kendall died May 1802 and found that the John in the conveyance is mentioned again on 29th June 1802 so may not be the same as John Kendall who married Grace and died May 1802. In fact I have the Will of John who died 1802.
Research for John Kendal
Bond in £200 WSMB/K7/1/T11 29 June 1802
Contents:
John Kendal of Morland, innkeeper, Joseph Abbot of Little Strickland, Morland, yeoman and John Kitching of same, slater; to
John Brecklebank of Kendal, innkeeper.
Recitals:- will of Thomas Kendal, late of Kendal blacksmith made 6 October 1764 devising premises in Market Place, Kendal to William Townson, clerk, Thomas Elleray, grocer and Edward Cumming, hosier upon trust to sell and share proceeds between brothers John Kendal and Edmond Kendal etc.
So don't think they are the same John Kendall - at the moment.
Claire,
Yes, I have visited Hesley Farm and taken photos - that was when I knew William Smith had lived there with his wife - Catherine Kendall. But before I learned about John Kendall of 'Hasley' Morland.
Thank you both very much as sometimes a small hint can trigger something that connects.
Judy
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Hi
Dont think thease are the right line but its better to have them than not
John Kendall married Ann Shepherd in Milburn 1778
Thomas Kendall was acollector for the window tax in Crackenthorpe 1777
Margaret left a will and inventory Cliburn 1562
sorry no more in Appleby
regards
Westmorland
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Thank you for the reply.
No connections at the moment but will put it into my research for 'just in case'.
Judy
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I am going to send away for some wills and documents to the Kendal RO so they will be come some time after Easter.
Will post if I find anything interesting.
In the meantime any help would be appreciated. I am pretty stuck.
However Westmorland has reminded me about the Window Tax of 1777.
I see In Great Strickland - where I think that Hesley is regarded for that sort of purpose then there is a John Kendal and the Assessor was a William Smith. This is another link between the two families.
Just a quick modification - have just looked up Hesley in the Old Gazetteer and that says it was in Gt Strickland, Parish of Morland
Thanks
Judy
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Have received Documents from the Records Office.
Nothing startling!!
However it confirms that Thomas Kendal mentioned John Kendall, Edmund Kendall his brothers and sister Isabel Hugill in his will. I have looked at their tree and there was also a Margaret who died. Their parents were Thomas Kendall bap 1666 died 1742 Morland and their mother was a Katherine nee ??? died 1777 Morland Pr's. Can not find a marriage.
As Katherine is an unusual name then I think 'my Catherine' must descended from this line.
John Kendall Innkeeper of Morland who died 1806. His will mentioned Emma his wife and Margaret his daughter. I think that he was the brother of 'my Catherine' but need proof. He was in the 1787 Constables Census as a Farmer.
Thomas's will also confirms that John Kendal his brother was from 'Hasley' Morland. Now I can not find a 'Hasley' in Morland Parish but can find 'Hesley' which is mentioned earlier in this post. So think they must be the same. Can anyone else find anything?
Any further help or suggestions gratefully received.
Judy
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Hi
Have found a marriage in the right timeframe, right area, which could be worth a look at, but she must have been very young when they married.
Thomas KENDALL mar. Katherine RUMNEY 13 July 1693 Hesket-In-The-Forest, Cumberland, England.
claire
EDIT: Think this could be her birth so would rule her out if death record is correct ~ Katherine bp. 21 Dec 1656 Saint Andrews,Penrith, father: William.
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Thank you for the reply. Don't know what to think as yet.
The first child of Thomas & Katherine that I know of is Thomas bap 1692 Morland, then Isabel b1694 (who married a Hugill & named in Thomas her brothers will), Thomas (the Blacksmith in Kendal) b1696, Margaret b1698 d1699, John b1701 (who I think is my Catherines father and think married a Margaret) and Edmund b1704.
By looking at Thomas's will he did not name any other brothers or sisters or nieces or nephews.
There are no other deaths in Morland Parish of a Katherine around the right time frame.
Whoops! Just had another look and I have transcribed the date of Katherines burial wrong. It was 10th May 1717 :-[ and not 10th May 1777. That makes a big difference.
Apologies. Just shows that you should keep re-checking everything!!!!
Judy
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Hi Judy
You say that the first child of Thomas and Katherine that you know of is Thomas bap 1692 Morland.......
Did it actually say on the parish register Thomas s of Thomas and Katherine, or just Thomas s of Thomas?
As Thomas was bap 19 May 1692, it does rule out Katherine Rumney as mother of Thomas unless when a Thomas Kendal married Katherine Rumney in 1693, but it could be Thomas' 2nd marriage, his 1st wife having died. The marriage nearly always took place in the bride's parish.
As all the children of Thomas from 1692 to 1704 were sons or daughters of Thomas of 'Newbie' I think the best way forward is to trace all Kendal(l)s of Newby and try and sort them out into individual families.
If you have not access - the following should help,
http://dustydocs.com/frontend_dev.php/link/39/39214/180141/baptisms-1538-1742-marriages-1538-1742-burials-1538-1742-cumbrian-genealogy.html
Hope this is of some help, Jean
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Thank you for your reply Jean.
I have already extracted all the 'Kendall' BMD's from the Morland PR's.
There were 5 Baptisms starting from 1692 up to 1701 father Thomas Kendall of Newbie, Parish of Morland.
But there are no other Baptisms for the father being Thomas Kendall before that since 1658 and none after that until 1742.
No Mother mentioned.
But there is a death of Katherine 10th May 1717 Wife of Thomas of Newby.
Both sons John & Edmund had their first female child named Catherine.
Thank you again
Judy
I am trying to sort them out through PR's, wills, Manorial records etc but it is very difficult as with my other families there they often moved about within the local area. I think I need to look at BMD records after 1742 to help.
The nearest birth for Thomas in the Morland PR's is 1641 Thomas base born son of Isabell of Sweargill. I don't know where that is.
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Hi
Swear Gill is about 8 miles south-west of Morland (between Shap and the Haweswater Reservoir).
claire
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I had a feeling you would have already gone through all the Morland records.
The only other suggestion is to look at the Manorial Court Records that I mentioned in my PM.
The 1st born daughter was usually named after maternal grandmother, but there were exceptions.
With the moving around, it was usual for the 1st born son to be passed the messuages/lands etc, when the father died - and recorded in the Manorial Court records, the 2nd born was sometimes left a small legacy and had to make his own way.
I'll take another look at some of the records I have and let you know if I find anything else.
Happy hunting, Jean
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Just to remind you, as I often forget, that the year did not end in December in those days so dates can seem odd sometimes.
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There is a bap at Askham
1641 October the first day was Tho : the sonne of Tho : Kendle bap.
There are quite a lot of Thomas mentioned at Askham - also Edmund.
Nothing later - I don't think this was the Thomas you are looking for, but maybe worth looking at other parishes.
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Thank you for the replies.
Have taken into account about the differences in the end/start of the year. Thos Kendall & Katherine Rumney were married in Jul 1693 and it seems the first child of a Thomas Born Newby in Morland Parish was Jun 1692. So am I right in thinking that would make no difference to that entry.
I can't find a death of a likely contender to be Thomas's first wife. But I can not find a death of Thomas born 1692 either.
I am beginning to think that Thomas c1660ish was born in another Parish like Askham or Kendal. His son Thomas b1696 (Jnr) was working as a blacksmith in Kendal. and Kirkby Kendal is mentioned too. Is that the same as Kendal?
Thank you.
Judy
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Kendal is in the parish of Kirkby in Kendal - see http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/WES/Kendal/
It's possible that the Surname Kendal came from the town - as you probably know surnames often took on the name of a place or even occupations.
Interesting about the Blacksmith, as there is a Wm Blacksmith, who died intestate at Dearham in 1700.
Is it possible that Thomas was a Quaker? My other thoughts is that he was bap somewhere else where the records are not on the IGI, eg Appleby where the early records are not recorded on the IGI.
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Hi
Dont bother with Appleby no Kendals here
but I did send you Margaret Kendal of Cliburn this village is not many miles from
Morland I did not check if she had a will as I was only interested in inventories
there are no more names on the Inventory
regards
Westmorland
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There was a Thomas Kendall living in Appleby in 1685
Plea for a Bridge
Westmorland Easter Sessions 1685 at Appleby (Kendal R.O.)
(Many names
.. and then
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Lanc: Waler Edward Collison Ste: Robinson
Tho: Kendall Jo: Brown Wm Robinson
James Simeson Tho: Busier
CLIBURN PRs (1568-1812) - nothing obvious:
KENDAL Thos s of Thos (Not in Trans) bur 3Nov1735 (Cliburn PR)
KENDAL Thos s of Thos bapt 13 June 1736 (Cliburn PR)
Earlier Wills - Wills proved in the consistory Court of Carlisle 1661-1750 I sent to Judy there is no Margaret unless you mean a later date?
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Dear All,
Thank you very much for the replies.
I have copied all the notes into a document in my search hoping that some will prove very useful.
At the moment I have looked at wills and am trying to sort out the Kendalls into families for around 1780 give or take 50 years.
I have looked at the will of Margaret Kendall of Cliburn died 1803 as I thought that she may be the mother of my Catherine. - no such luck!
I have a list of wills sent to me by the RO at Carlisle and ordered some or got someone to look at quite a few of those around the dates I am researching for now.
It could be possible that the Kendalls are non-conformists of some sort as I seem to have a few of those in my family from around that area.
I am most grateful for all the replies and will post if I find anything else of interest.
Judy
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Hi Judy
I'm a bit late to this thread and I haven't followed all the nuances, but:
Dec 19 1774
Thomas Kendall of Hesloe, Morland, yeoman
Mary Fothergill of Morland, a minor
bond: Thomas Fothergill of Morland, yeoman (who is her father and consents)
05 Jun 1772
John Kendal of Little Strickland, Morland, slater
Grace Chamley, Carlisle
bond: Edmund Kendal of Lowther, yeoman
marriage to take place at Morland
29 Jul 1775
Robert Smith, Morland, husbandman
Eliz Kendal, ditto
bond: Thos Holme, Crosby Ravensworth, blacksmith
marriage to take place at Morland
06 Jan 1776
John Kendall, Newbyend Morland, woodmonger
Ann Smith, ditto
bond: John Kendall, Morland, yeoman
marriage to take place at Morland
07 Sep 1776: John Kendall, Morland, husbandman was bondsman to a Smith/Fallowfield marriage
I think some of these fit in somewhere with the lines you are researching
regards
Deborah
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Hi Deborah,
Thank you very much for these.
I have the other Marriage bond books but not for these years! Must get it.
Will have to look through them and see where they fit in.
The one at the bottom Smith/Fallowfield - was that Stephen Smith & Rachael Fallowfield as he is in my tree as 3x Gt Uncle. He was the brother to my 3x Gt grandfather William Smith who married Catherine Kendall. So a possible connection there. :)
Thanks again.
Judy
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yes - Stephen is a weaver.
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In the same Smith family there is an Isabella Smith marrying John Fallowfield in 1798.
Would it be possible to see if they have a marriage bond too.
Thanks
Judy
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I only have volume upto 1788 - sorry
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Thanks - I wonder if they go later than your volume.
Judy