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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: English Jen on Tuesday 25 March 14 12:21 GMT (UK)
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Hi everyone.
My daughter is 12 years old and is doing a WW1 history project at school. Through my research we know that one member of our family was killed in the first world war. We have been on the CWGC website and we also have his medal record card.
She spoke to her teacher and she suggested that she contact the Royal Field Artillery museum to see if she could get any other information. We had an email back this morning, basically directing us to the National Archives and Ancestry.
Can anyone suggest what our next steps should be? As this is homework, I'm a bit unsure on spending lots of money on it.
I did try to look at the National Archives to see how much his record would be (if it exists) and I got a bit lost in there!!!
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
His details were :
Acting Bombardier Herbert Webb
67123, 135th Bty, 32nd Bde, Royal Field Artillery.
Aubigny Communal Cemetery Extension
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Taking it that the museum that you contacted was Firepower the RA museum which is in Woolwich (might be an idea for a visit if you are near to it) have you tried the members of the Long, Long Trail at their website as they maybe able to help you as well (see link below)...
http://www.1914-1918.net/rfa_units.htm
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Just a thought but does your local library have access to Ancestry (or Findmypast) as some libraries have this free to use in some of their buildings.
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Hi,
If his record survived (around 70% were destroyed in the Blitz in WW2) then it will be on Ancestry, which you might be able to access at your local library, or sign up for a 2 week trial......but remember to cancel your card details before the end.
You might be able to find a photo of his grave through this group:
http://www.britishwargraves.co.uk/index.htm
Nanny Jan
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There are lots of useful websites. Here's one about the Accrington Pals but lots of general info: -
www.pals.org.uk/research.htm
Some background about the Royal Field Artillery here: -
www.forces-war-records.co.uk/Unit-Info/5000
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As a corps the Royal Artillery were 'Everywhere' - their motto. But you are lucky to have his Brigade. There were three main units within the RA - Horse, Field and Garrison. The RFA used medium sized guns, pulled by horses - hence his rank of Driver on the medal card. Knowing his age would help.
Did you get his card from Ancestry - as they have a copy of the other side, giving details of his mother applying for his 1914 Star. The clasp mentioned was for soldiers under fire in the first few months of the war. The 1914 Star and clasps is known unofficially as the 'Mons Star' to differentiate it from the men who followed - who got the 1914-15 Star, or 1914 Star without the clasp, who were in the rear.
The card also has his date of entry into a theatre of war. This shows he was a pre war Regular. He would have enlisted for 12 years - usually seven years in uniform followed by five years in the Army Reserve. Have you found him in the 1911 census? If he was a Reservist in 1911 he would not have put in on the census, as they only served two weeks a year.
You will find details of 32 Bde here - http://www.1914-1918.net/rfa_units_32.html - as you can see 132nd Battery was an old title.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/medal-index-cards-ww1.htm
Ken
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Hi everyone
Thanks for all your replies. Certainly some things to be looking at there.
Yes, the museum was the one in Woolwich. Too far for us to go before her homework is due in I'm afraid.
Yes, I have got the card from Ancestry with the note about his mother applying for the 1914 Star. I'm not sure if Ancestry has anything else on him. I'm not a member. I've had a quick look and it looks like there are 3 "possible" Herbert Webb's (he didn't have a middle name).
I've contacted British War Graves website, so hopefully they might be able to send me a photo of his grave.
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I knew I'd forget something!!! No, I haven't got him in the 1911 census. He would have been 16 at the time so I presume he would have still been with his family.
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I would not bother with Forces etc nor Firepower. Neither site have a reputation for doing anything for free.
Here are the rates of pay - http://www.1914-1918.net/pay_1914.html
Here is a breakdown of a WW1 Brigade - http://www.1914-1918.net/whatartbrig.htm. As you can see they comprised four batteries (A to D) of six guns each. Or three batteries and an Ammunition (supply) Column.
During WW1 the RA had Corporals, so a Bombardier wore one stripe (so equivalent to a Lance Corporal). Acting Bombardiers also wore one stripe and earned the same pay as a Bombardier.
You should ask her to quote 1914-1918.net as the source.
Ken
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Where was Herbert born? Do you know his parent's names?
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Hi
Yes, he was born in Rainham in Kent. His parents were Frederick Austin and Mary Ann Webb.
I do have the 1911 census, sorry. My computer died on me a couple of weeks ago. I did manage to get most of my files off it, but I'm still in the process of transferring the files from the external hard drive onto my laptop.
He was 16 in 1911 and he was a Horse Driver on a Farm.
Doesn't really help much does it.
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Have you realised he died 97 years ago today - ie 25th March 1917?
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Oooh, no I didn't realize ..... how spooky is that!!!! :o :o :o
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Fine if you have him in the censuses - I was going to offer to look him up for you - good to put his life in context for the project I expect. ;) If he was a horse driver on a farm it makes you wonder if the farmer's horses also joined the war effort.
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Thanks for the offer Ruskie. I was just wondering that about the horses - seeing as I just borrowed my daughters copy of War Horse!!!!
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My granddaughter had a similar project, but they were given a soldier to research. Luckily in Aus all WW1 records are undamaged and online.
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Post #8 on the below link appears to be your fella they are discussing.
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3958