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Title: Identify old cars
Post by: Karytay on Thursday 27 March 14 19:00 GMT (UK)
Can any one tell me the make and year of these cars.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: Suzy W on Thursday 27 March 14 20:08 GMT (UK)
The bottom one looks like a Morris 8.  I will ask my husband tonight about the top one, as he is a member of the vintage car club ;)

Suzy W
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: alanmack on Friday 28 March 14 14:10 GMT (UK)
The bottom one has an "A" (rotated, italic) in the nave plate in the wheel hub. That makes me feel it is an Austin, probably a Seven.

The upper one has a curious registration plate - non UK. It is a car of American origin though it may have been assembled in Australia or South Africa if that is close to where the picture was taken.

Alan
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: mazi on Friday 28 March 14 14:19 GMT (UK)
the top one is a problem, has the look of a Ford v8 pilot of late 1930,s but as alanmack says not a british car ( no sidelights would make it illegal in UK), I also think maybe Australia or british Africa.

I think the second one is maybe an Austin 10,  new in 1932-35, but many survived in the uk until the early 1960s, so not a great help in dating the photo.

mike
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Friday 28 March 14 15:02 GMT (UK)
My guess, top, still wondering

bottom, Austin_4 Dorras.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yp4/

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: John915 on Friday 28 March 14 17:48 GMT (UK)
Good afternoon,

The bottom one is an Austin 7 box saloon. I also thought of a pilot for the top one but not used in Britain. As pointed out it has no sidelights.

John915
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: mazi on Friday 28 March 14 18:01 GMT (UK)
It could well be a 7 but the front bumper is a double row of chrome bars, I can only find this on a 10, but it does look a little small to be a 10.

If dad is taking the photo it will be a tight squeeze in the back, three children and a dog.  ;D ;D ;D

mike
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: John915 on Friday 28 March 14 18:05 GMT (UK)
And again,

The no plate at the top could be british but it wouldn't fit with the car. That series of plates was issued in Nottinghamshire between apr 1924 and may 1929. The car though is at least 20 years later than that.

John915

PS the 7s also had twin chrome bumpers but the style does depend on year and model. The front end of the 10s looks almost identical but you would see more car behind the children as it was a bit longer than that.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: mazi on Friday 28 March 14 18:11 GMT (UK)



 but you would see more car behind the children as it was a bit longer than that.

I agree  :) :) :) :)

mike
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: Suzy W on Saturday 29 March 14 02:57 GMT (UK)
O.K I got the bottom one wrong, hubby said it could be a Austin 10 and it is bigger than a Austin 7.
Top one is a Buick, not sure of model or year, mid to late 1940's? 

Suzy W
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: Karytay on Wednesday 20 August 14 15:42 BST (UK)
Oh!  ;D  thanks, first I should of told you the photo's were taken in South Africa. The second photo  was taken about 1939-1940, this is a guess

The first  photo taken around 1945-1948, another guess
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Thursday 28 August 14 04:42 BST (UK)
I am doubtful of the claim that it is a Buick.   What year of Buick do you claim that it is.

I am also doubtful of the claim that this car is "at least 20 years after"  the 1924-1929 period for which those would be valid Nottinghamshire plates.

The styling of the car is more like 1937-1940.   You won't see headlamps like that on any postwar US or US derived car.  It also appears to have "suicide doors".
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: crowsfeet on Thursday 28 August 14 07:06 BST (UK)
A guess

A Hudson Terraplane?

Crowsfeet
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Thursday 04 September 14 17:08 BST (UK)
The most similar looking car that I can find,  is a 1937 Pontiac.

It looks like two small panels have been put over the top of the radiator grille,   which curiously look more like the radiator shape of a 1940 Pontiac.     It is missing some the pontiac detailing.   In South Africa,  it is possibly an Australian-bodied Pontiac.    Also,  the arrow log on the right wing looks like a Pontiac logo.   That's my best guess.

It could also be a 38 or 39 Pontiac, which had very similar body.    In 1940 and 1941 they were quite different,  although the 1940 has a radiator shape reminiscent of this one.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: ggrocott on Thursday 04 September 14 20:02 BST (UK)
Hubby says top one is an American car, a Hudson 112 c1939 and bottom one is an Austin 10
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: Keitht on Thursday 04 September 14 21:05 BST (UK)
The top image is indeed a Hudson 112. Pic attached for comparison.

Keith
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Friday 05 September 14 00:27 BST (UK)
It does looks quite similar.  I'd point out that the photo of the Hudson is a 2-door car.    The Pontiac mentioned is a four-door car,   which is what the south african car is.

Also,  while the shape is similar,  the front-end styling is not.

Another poster before mentioned Buick,  but all of the 4-door Buicks in the 1937-1939 period are quite a lot bigger,   and the 40 and 41 Buicks have a quite different body shell entirely.

There are literally thousands of car photos online,   and none look quite like this one.  Which is why I have suggested that it is an Australian-bodies GM car,  of which more than 30,000 a year were being produced in the late 1930's.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Friday 05 September 14 00:30 BST (UK)
The Hudson also has no bumper over-riders,   a very visible bonnet/hood handle,   and a total of only two windows in the side of the car,   where the car depicted in south africa has three.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Friday 05 September 14 00:42 BST (UK)
http://bestartcarz.com/photo/im/hudson-112/10/default.htm

Here is a 4-door Hudson,    which seems to have the same radiator surround treatment  and also the "Pontiac logo" arrow at the bottom of the front fender,  so yeah,  that would now be the most similar.  I agree.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Friday 05 September 14 00:54 BST (UK)
Scrutiny of the photos seems to make it apparent that it is a 1939 model.

The 37 hudsons all have a long narrow grille that goes right back into the top of the hood.

The 38 hudsons have a grille which is straight at the top and not such a fine spacing on the horizontal elements.

In 39,  for some models,   the headlight are much lower and mounted in the fender.   But some models keep the older style headlights   and have the curved top edge to the radiator as shown.

For 40,   the entire front end looks completely different.

So I think it is a 1939.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Friday 05 September 14 00:59 BST (UK)
Furthermore, according to wikipedia, "Hudson cars were assembled from complete knock down (CKD) kits in South Africa by Stanley Motors in Natalspruit (Gauteng)."
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: thetowers on Friday 05 September 14 01:19 BST (UK)
And in this document here

http://hetclub.org/burr/manuals/1939_hudson_group_parts_book.pdf

at page 83,  a clear diagram of the two very different front-end treatments of the 1939 Hudson models.
Title: Re: Identify old cars
Post by: Karytay on Wednesday 12 November 14 19:56 GMT (UK)
Wow! what a discussion over two cars, lol I stayed out of it for I have no clue about old cars.  Thanks for all your suggestions.