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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dunbartonshire => Topic started by: robertalan on Friday 28 March 14 20:50 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know the birth details of Ann Livingstone? She married William Stewart in 1834 at OLd KIlpatrick.
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Do you have her on any census showing her birthyear and birthplace?
If she died in Scotland 1855 onwards - her death cert will show her parents names and mothers maiden name
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Her father was killed in the French wars
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Hi
From my reply above - we need more info about her
Do you have her on any census showing her birthyear and birthplace?
If she died in Scotland 1855 onwards - her death cert will show her parents names and mothers maiden name
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Hi all :) ,
I suspect that Ann died before 1851 , and William has a second marriage to a Mary(McArthur ?) -
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYZ6-8DQ
http://www.freecen.org.uk/ has the 1841/1851 transcriptions , I think William was a Cooper.
ev
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Ann died between 1845-1849, her father died when she was a baby or prior to her being born. Her husband remarried a Mary McArthur after Ann died. With William she had 4 kids, Margaret, John, Robert, & Janet. We think her parents names may have been Robert and Margaret. and that she may have married a Mr Miller since her son Robert added Miller to his middle name to distinguish himself from other Robert Stewarts when he came out to Australia proir to moving to NZ.
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Hi
Old Kilpatrick is in Dunbarton so I will ask for your post to be moved to that board
I don't know whether Margaret died as a baby but she does not appear on this 1841 entry. FS shows Margaret was b 1836 and John in 1839. Robert was b 1842 and Janet 1845. N = not born Dunbarton but born elsewhere in Scotland. Y =born in Dunbarton
Ages in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs so Ann could have been between 20-24yrs old
William Stewart 25 cooper - N
Ann 20 N
John 2 Y
Walter Miller 25 N
Andrew Miller 15 N
James Bell 20 N
Robert Hamilton 20 N
Old Kilpatrick ED 3 Page 22 Line 640
Ann was born elsewhere in Scotland and was too young to have had a previous marriage to a Mr Miller as she would only have been around 17/18 when she married William
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Hi Carole,
Stating the obvious here :P but there are 2 Miller men in the same household as William and Ann Stewart - Wonder if this be where Robert's middle name maybe originated?
Looby :)
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That's what I thought - pity the 1841 doesn't give more info like later censuses. If they were related - it would have been handy to know in what way
The 1851 has an Andrew Miller b 1826 St Ninians Stirling but living in Dunbarton - not sure if he's the 1841 Andrew
The only Walter Miller in Dunbarton in 1851 was b 1809
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Both boys are Ship Carpenter Apprentices :)
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That's what I thought - pity the 1841 doesn't give more info like later censuses. If they were related - it would have been handy to know in what way
The 1851 has an Andrew Miller b 1826 St Ninians Stirling but living in Dunbarton - not sure if he's the 1841 Andrew
The only Walter Miller in Dunbarton in 1851 was b 1809
The above Andrew is a farm servant unmarried and living with others at Knightswood Farm House (farmer an Alexander Lyle) :-\
There is an Andrew Miller Ship Carpenter Jourmeyman on the 1851 living at Dumbarton Road, Govan aged 26 and born Stirlingshire, Milgavie.
Not sure if this is barking up the wrong family tree! Wondering if the Miller's lodging with the Stewarts will be no relation to Ann or William and it's just a coincidence.
Looby :)
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Ah now this is interesting-
The Andrew Miller in Govan appears to be married to a Mary White. They have several children - one of whom is born on the 24th June 1859 - a daughter Ann Livingstone Miller. - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ75-MD9
Looby :)
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There is an Andrew Miller Ship Carpenter Jourmeyman on the 1851 living at Dumbarton Road, Govan aged 26 and born Stirlingshire, Milgavie.
Now that just cannot be a coincidence can it - can't find that entry though
So I wonder if Ann Livingstone was from Stirling (although Milngavie is Glasgow way)
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I thought Milngavie was on the outskirts of Glasgow too ??? - not far from the Campsie Fells - but Campsie comes under Stirlingshire too at this period, so maybe Milngavie did come under that county too,
Re-reading reply 5 from robertalan - do you think it was Ann Livingstone's widowed mother who married a Mr Miller and perhaps Andrew at least if not Walter too could be Ann's half brothers?
Added - I found Andrew Miller, Ship Carpenter on Freecen on 1851
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It would make more sense if the Millers were her half brothers or possibly her step brothers. Be interesting to see Andrews death cert to get his parents names
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It would make more sense if the Millers were her half brothers or possibly her step brothers. Be interesting to see Andrews death cert to get his parents names
That's what I was thinking! But I have to go to bed now :'( It's far too late for me.
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I found Andrew & Walter's birth details on Monday, their parents were John Miller & Margaret MItchell but it is interesting that an Andrew MItchell had a daughter named Ann Livingstone MIller in 1859. The only thing which dosn't match up is the birth year because the Andrew I found was born 1824. Everything else matches including the occupation.
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Where did you find the info that Andrew Miller had a daughter Ann Livingstone Miller? I have found the marriage details about Andrew Miller and Mary White. m 1850 in Glasgow.
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Hi,
I found the birth of Ann Livingstone Miller on the Family Search website https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ75-MD9
You would be best to verify this on the pay to view site Scotlands People.
Looby
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I am now searching for the details of Margaret MItchell who married JOhn Miller. They were the parents of Andrew & Walter Miller who were staying with Ann and William Stewart in 1841
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Hi again robertlan,
What did you find to link both Andrew and Walter Miller to parents Margaret Mitchell and John Miller?
Was it death certificates?
If so was John Miller's occupation recorded?
Looby :)
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I found it on the Scotlands people website. I simply looked for all the Andrew & Walter Stewarts with the same parents and their ages matched the ones given in the 1841 census when they were staying with William & Ann
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Hi again robertlan,
But were these Old Parish Records of the births of Andrew and Walter or was it their death Certificates you looked at?
Do we know if Walter married? If he did after 1855 we might find out from that certificate if his mother Margaret was dead at the time of his marriage. I suspect she was, in fact there is a good chance she was already gone by 1841 when the boys are recorded as living with Ann and her family.
Looby :)
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I found the birth details of Andrew & Walter by searching through birth records. I think you may be correct about their mother already being dead by 1841.