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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Rosinish on Friday 04 April 14 00:14 BST (UK)
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Hi Folks,
Hoping for a connection with descendants of James Jeffrey Hogg 1873 - 1944 b Gateshead & Mary Irving b 1875 Newcastle-upon-Tyne dau of George Irving & Margaret Young.
Children (all born Durham)
1. William Metcalfe Simpson Hogg (1897) = Lillian Cara Ritson
2. James Jeffrey (1900)
3. Irving (1903) = Ethel Maloney (Emigrated to Michigan, USA in 1948)
Irving & Ethel had 1 daughter (1925) South Shields, England, UK & 1 son (1929) Stockton, England, UK
Their son travelled with them to USA but what happened to their daughter?
Any advance most welcome.
Annie
Also posted on England (Northumberland) page:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=682837.msg5272909
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The Michigan death index says Irving died 12 Feb. 1983 in Pontiac and last resided in Waterford, Michigan. The Social Security death index says his last residence was East China, Saint Clair Co., Michigan. Perhaps an obituary would mention the daughter?
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UK Free BMD gives a Hogg - Maloney birth for Gloria Hogg - December 1925 - S. Shields - 10a 1355
Gloria Banghart born 22 October 1925 died 23 December 2011
SSN issued Michigan (Before 1951)
FIND A GRAVE - WITH PHOTOGRAPH (and short obituary)
Burial Great Lakes National Cemetery Holly Oakland County Michigan.
Plot: SECTION CC6 ROW D SITE 63
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yrf/
Husband - William F Banghart 1920 - 2008
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0yrg/
Regards
Sandra
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Gloria Banghart appeared on a New York Passenger List - 10 Feb 1946 - Queen Mary - aged 20 years - UK Address :- 19 Parris Place, Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire.
Dependant S/Sgt William F Banghart, Asn 16042252 US Army. 73 S. Paddock Street, Pontiac. Michigan.
Sandra
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Obituary
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theoaklandpress/obituary.aspx?pid=155156470
With the names from the obit and the help of http://www.whitepages.com/ you should be able to locate family members.
Regards
Sandra
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WW2 Enlistment William F Banghart - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/K8GW-4T9
http://www.ww2enlistment.org/index.php?page=directory&rec=1181238
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JBDB-ZZW
Sandra
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UK Free BMD give a Hogg - Maloney Birth registered September 1929 - Stockton - 10 a 164 for a Jeffrey Hogg - Mother Maloney. So this looks like the son of Irving Hogg and Ethel Maloney. :'(
Jeffrey Hogg - 29 Jul 1929 - March 1980
Last Residence 48055 Pontiac, Oakland, Michigan.
Michigan Deaths give a date of 2 Mar 1980 Detroit, Wayne, Michigan.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V3QP-1M4
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VZTX-1K6
Jeffrey showed on the Queen Mary with Irving and Ethel - arriving 22 December 1948. Address 2606 Benstein Road, Walled Lake. Michigan.
Sandra
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Hi & thanks all contributers.
Some info. I had, some I didn't so thankyou.
I didn't name Irving & Ethels kids for the reason I had no deaths & potentially they could have been living.
I have the emigration details, address etc. but had nothing on Gloria so that is great news.
Still plenty there to read through so it's amazing what turns up within 24hrs ;D
Regards & thanks,
Annie.
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Gloria Banghart appeared on a New York Passenger List - 10 Feb 1946 - Queen Mary - aged 20 years - UK Address :- 19 Parris Place, Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire.
Dependant S/Sgt William F Banghart, Asn 16042252 US Army. 73 S. Paddock Street, Pontiac. Michigan.
Sandra
Thanks Sandra,
Still wading through all this but all good for sure. Don't put your spade away in the near future tho' ;D
Annie.
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You're very welcome, pleased it helped fill some gaps.
Regards
Sandra
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UK Free BMD gives a Hogg - Maloney birth for Gloria Hogg - December 1925 - S. Shields - 10a 1355
Gloria Banghart born 22 October 1925 died 23 December 2011
SSN issued Michigan (Before 1951)
FIND A GRAVE - WITH PHOTOGRAPH (and short obituary)
Burial Great Lakes National Cemetery Holly Oakland County Michigan.
Regards
Sandra
Hi Folks,
Would like to thank you all especially Sandra ;D
UPDATE !!!!
In the space of 48 hrs & the distance of 3,500 miles, I have just made contact with the daughter (my 3rd cousin) of Gloria (Hogg) Banghart & waiting patiently for a reply ;D ;D
Sooooooooo happy,
Annie.
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Hi Annie,
That is great news, delighted for you - it will be exciting swapping family info.
All the best
Sandra ;D
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REPLY PLEASE!
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Hi Simon,
I replied on my other thread (link above) but will add a message to direct replies to this thread as there's a lot of info.
Who was your g/father with date please & I will check what I have re a connection.
Annie
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Oh, James Jeffrey (1900) was your g/father?
If correct we would be 3rd cousins!
How good it will be to exchange notes ;)
James Jeffrey (Snr) b1873 was a son of our gg g/father David Morris Hogg (c1840 - 1909) & gg g/mother Mary Margaret Duff (c1839 - 1904)
James Jeffrey being the brother of my g g/mother Wilhelmina.
8 children but never married ???
Annie
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Hi Annie, so it would seem. I've only just started with this, accordingly it's a tad confusing. I'm going to have to start and write all of this down. However, the information about Irving, confirms some very old memories ie. emigrating to the USA, in particular, Michigan.
As I said, I only put some of the 1911 census information info Google and this thread popped up in the search results; I was quite astounded.
Where in the UK do you live?
Simon
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You may already know this but marriage locator indicates this couple were married at St Luke, at Newcastle upon Tyne:
http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?year=1896&qtr=2&vol=10b&page=179&search=search
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You may already know this but marriage locator indicates this couple were married at St Luke, at Newcastle upon Tyne:
http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?year=1896&qtr=2&vol=10b&page=179&search=search
Thank you RTL!!!
No, I didn't know & never found the marriage in my research i.e. it may have been added after my searches?
Ooooops...a huge SORRY...just checked my tree, wrong couple, I'm getting mixed up (not hard at this time of night) ::)
I have the date for their marriage 03 Mar 1861
I now have to see which marriage I couldn't locate ???
Annie
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RTL...
I thought it was for David Morris Hogg & Mary Margaret Duff ::)
I've given the wrong info. on the missing marriage.
James Jeffrey Hogg married Mary Irving 30 Apr 1896...SORRY.
Annie
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The marriage I have recently posted about was for James Jeffrey Hogg and Mary Irving in 1896. :)
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It seems, yet to be verified, that Irving's and Ethel's daughter, Gloria, was a GI bride and went to the USA after the war. Irving, Ethel and their son subsequently emigrated. This may explain how Irving was able to give an address in Michigan, for the Queen Mary passenger list, when they sailed from Southampton to New York in 1948. I will know more about this in a couple of weeks.
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Hi Simon,
I think this shows with the marriage of Gloria & William Banghart being married 1944 in Colchester, Essex.
Have you read the previous posts, one in particular is Reply #3 from Sandra?
Gloria Banghart appeared on a New York Passenger List - 10 Feb 1946 - Queen Mary - aged 20 years - UK Address :- 19 Parris Place, Cleethorpes, Lincolnshire.
Dependant S/Sgt William F Banghart, Asn 16042252 US Army. 73 S. Paddock Street, Pontiac. Michigan.
Sandra
I'm presently working from an old back-up i.e. there is likely a lot of info. I don't have recorded on it as I lost a lot of my original tree which I haven't retrieved yet.
On my old back-up, I have nothing of your line & from memory I can't recall if I ever did?
All I have on this back-up is James Jeffrey b 23 Jan 1900 Gateshead, died 1969
Annie
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Hi Annie, James Jeffrey who die in 1969 was my paternal grandfather and the dates you have are correct.
As for Irving's daughter Gloria, it does fit with family memory, not mine but my mum's. I knew/know that Irving did emigrate as he did visit once, in the mid 1960's.
Simon
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Simon,
Can you tell me what info. you're looking for & I can check my tree to see if I can help?
This thread was the 1st of me starting on that branch i.e. my info. won't be much.
I have 3 children for James Jeffrey Hogg & Mary Irving & don't know whether there were more?
I have no info. on the family of son William Metcalfe Simpson Hogg 1897 - 1978 & wife Lillian Cara Ritson 1900 - 1987 married 1928
Annie
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Hi Annie, I have just started on all of this in the last 3/4 weeks. What I am attempting to do, is at the moment, trace back from my father, ie those people you mention. I think it was the 1891 census is where their birth place, they were in Gateshead at that time, was listed as 'Scotland'. I've had a quick look on the free census website an may have possibly found the next generation on, in Scotland. I did try using scotlandspeople.gov.uk, but having paid for a couple of documents, I now know I need to be more sure of the details of one generation, before trying to ascertain the next. At the moment, it is just the male line from my father, grandfather (James Jeffrey) I am starting to trace. I may know more by next weekend as I should be bale to look at some of the stuff my dad did 10 or so years ago; he died 3 years ago, so I have no idea what he found, or the accuracy or anything.
Simon
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Simon,
If you PM me your email, I can send a report of the Hogg family going back to Scotland?
Annie
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I now know a bit more, well at least verify things. Irving's daughter did marry a Banghart in 1944, I have a copy of a wedding photo. Discussions with my mother confirmed this along with my vague recollection about Irving's immigration to the USA, he did return in the mid 1960's for a visit, I was perhaps 4, but this is confirmed. I also have a couple of other photographs. Thus there are descendants of a Hogg in the Detroit area, with Banghart as a surname.
I hope this makes sense, I've borrowed a vast amount of stuff, it is bewildering...Manx history back to 1607, other relatives somewhere with the name of Snowball, others in Australia, a vast range of names, as one would seem to expect when you start on this.
Simon
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Hi Simon,
I have saved your email address now.
I think the surname Snowball you have found may be from your maternal line as I haven't come across this in the Hogg line (yet)?
I have 4 children listed for William Frederic Banghart & Gloria Hogg but as we can't name living people on here you can read the info. when I send my Report but meanwhile if you want I can PM you their names?
Annie