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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: KD146 on Monday 07 April 14 21:38 BST (UK)
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A placename appears in the Coolbanagher church records in the early to mid 1800s, apparently Killinatogher or Killinatoker. The handwriting is difficult to read.
I can come across no other reference to this name, on old maps or records, or even on Google.
I am making a guess that it is an early reference to what later became known as Killimy, as Killimy does not appear in the church records till later in the 1800s. But I have nothing to verify that, other than a hunch.
Can anyone pin down this Killinatogher, and tell us exactly where or what it was? Many thanks.
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If the handwriting is as difficult as you say, could it not be the townland of Ballintogher in the Civil Parish of Lea (which adjoins the Civil Parish of Coolbanagher)?
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,659296,708707,5,7
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I thought of that, but in numerous occurrences of the name, it definitely appears to be Killinatogher, and sometimes Killinatoker. It would be unlikely to have so many baptisms and burials in the Coolbanagher records from the adjoining parish of Lea, which had it's own church. Unfortunately, I still have not been able to look at the Lea records.
As I say, the name appears from about 1800 to 1850 or so, and doesn't seem to appear after that. My own family district of Killimy only appears after 1850 or so. Unfortunately, I can only transcribe the Coolbanagher records I need when I visit them in the RCB, I cannot copy them.
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I thought of that, but in numerous occurrences of the name, it definitely appears to be Killinatogher, and sometimes Killinatoker.
You said "The handwriting is difficult to read", which is why I posted. Bowing out now, good luck going forward.
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Could it be Kilmalogue?
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Jack
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Lea graveyard Portarlington; (headstones)
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Albert Thomas Cobbe; Dunton Bassett-Leicestershire
(late Doolagh House)
25/2/1976
wife-Mai; 23/6/1996
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Eva Kathleen Cobbe (nee Pattison)
Kilbride Portarlington
30/4/1997 (83)
husband-John William;
17/1/2004 (90)
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John Cobbe; Doolagh;
6/3/1924 (53)
infant son; William Henry
28/6/1917 (3 months)
wife-Jane; 9/5/1955 (79)
daughter-Florence Cobbe;
24/12/1974
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William Cobbe; Doolagh House
18/4/1983 (63)
wife-Oliva Rebecca Cobbe;
17/10/2007 (80)
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Mabel Mc Laren (nee Cobbe)
Birmingham England
(late Doolagh House)
1905-1980.
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Susan Wallace; (nee Cobbe)
Dundrum Dublin
8/8/1987
husband-Kenneth A Wallace;
7/12/1992
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Jack
www.genealogylaois.com
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I have a book;
Registers of the French Church of Portarlington Ireland.
and all the registers are in French, but the Index only has 3 Cobb surnames
Ann
Ann- nee Champ
Jean
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Bateme 28th Juillet
Ann Cobb-Ce Samedi; vingt-hutiema Juillet a baptize par moi Ann Cobb, fille de Jean Cobb. et Ann Champ, nee le 19me Juillet.
(that's a rough written copy)
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Jack
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Yes, the handwriting on the Coolbanagher records, especially the earlier ones, is very hard to decipher. Killinatogher does appear numerous times though, and over a series of occurrences, it definitely seems not to be Ballintogher. But the name Killinatogher appears nowhere else, only in these old church records. Many thanks all the same.
As for the Cobbes, many thanks Jack for all that. Those Cobbes in Lea graveyard appear, on an initial appraisal, to be connected to the Cobbes whose gravestones appear in St.John's, Coolbanagher. There seems to be a definite line, which I haven't traced fully yet.
However, MY Cobbes seemed to be poorer, farm labouring people, and all appear to be buried without any gravestone at all, which hasn't helped me. I have traced them back to Charles Cobbe c1798-1861, and alas, this seems to be the end of the line for verified records. My hope was that some would appear in those French Church registers, but evidently not. What we appear to have is Ann Cobb, daughter of John Cobb and Ann Champ. I cannot connect them to anyone else, nor can I connect my Cobbes to the Cobbes in Lea graveyard. So it looks like the bus stops here. Thus far shall you go, and no further! Oh well...
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Just a question I should have asked back when this thread was fresh, does anyone know what year the baptism of Ann Cobb in the French Church of Portarlington above refers to? Many thanks.
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The Baptism of Ann Cobb was 1797.
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Jack
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That's great Jack, thanks for that.
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There are two 18th century wills in the Leighlin & Prerogative Court indexes for John Lawler (1770) of Killinatoher and for his widow Elizabeth Lawlor (1783) of Kilnatogher. The modern version could be Coolnavarnogue or Coolaghy, a townland in Coolnabaghner.
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Killeenatogher is in the grounds of Emo Court.
If you look on the older OSI maps of the area you'll see it.
There was a church there.
The townland is Emo Park.
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Welcome to Rootschat Patoc37.
Using your information , here is a link to the map. Killinatogher is just under large yellow "H"
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,654895,706084,9,7
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Killeenatogher is in the grounds of Emo Court.
If you look on the older OSI maps of the area you'll see it.
There was a church there.
The townland is Emo Park.
Emo... "…near the farmyard are several very old yew trees marking the site of an old church, in the southern part is 'Kilnatocher' so called from an old Togher or bog…"
549 ‘Kyllintogher’ CarrMS , 1838 ‘It is said that there was another little church called Killeen -a -toagher (little church at the causeway)’ LSO II 239, 1841 Killeenatogher SO < Cillín an Tóchair “the little church, graveyard of the causeway”
https://www.logainm.ie/en/28462
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Welcome to Rootschat Patoc37.
Using your information , here is a link to the map. Killinatogher is just under large yellow "H"
http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,654895,706084,9,7
Indeed. And slightly WNW of that point you'll see the site of the church of the same name marked.
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http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V2,654034,706232,11,7
Site of church was not very clear in previous link. Zoomed in a bit, much clearer here.
Thanks Patoc37 for your directions.
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Many thanks for that, most helpful. The Cobbes were groundskeepers on the Emo Court estate, and Killinatogher appears in a number of their baptisms.