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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: sploshkin on Tuesday 08 April 14 23:44 BST (UK)
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For several years I have searched for the baptism of Edward Woodroffe c1675.
He was the father of John and Sarah Woodroffe bap at Ousden, Suffolk in 1711 and 1712.
Edward W married Abigail Hammond in 1709 at St Mary's church in BSE. At the time of marriage he resided in Ousden, she in Gazeley. After the baps I can find nothing of the family until Edward died in 1732.In his will he left the mill to Abigail until she died or remarried, whichever was sooner, when it then passed to his son John. Edw also left his interests in Southgate Mill to John his son.
Sarah the daughter was left 10 pounds or goods equivalent.
The family ran the Horringer Mill or West Mill as it was otherwise known until the mid 1800s.
Having located Woodroffes at Isleham around 1700 I thought Edw would fit in there but no such luck. Not unless Edward is interchangeable with Edmund? Any assistance appreciated.
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Hi Sploshkin,
And welcome. I'm afraid at this moment I'm unable to help, but I'm extremely interested in your milling connections. I offer help where I can and have an extensive database on Suffolk's millers (mostly wind, by water & horse too).
I have been tracing most millers back to early 1800s, many to about 1780s and a few even earlier.
I'm very interested to hear about Edward. I have his offspring at Hornings Heath (Horringer or West Mill) and a Siclemore Road Mill (which I think is the Southgate site). Was Edward a miller himself or did he have an interest in the mill?
In the meantime all the best in your search.
Windy Miller
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Hello windy-miller,
"Will of Edward Woodruff of BSE in the county of Suffolk Miller --- First I give to Abigail my beloved wife all that my tenement wherein I now do dwell and the windmill called Horringer Mill with all and singular the appurtenances during the term of her life, she keeping the same in repair"
Interestingly, if you look at the large 1791 map on the landing of the BSE Record Office , you will see Horringer Mill on the north side of Horringer Road but with no house. Whereas, on the south side of the road but about 80 yards nearer Bury is another plot of land with "mill house" ascribed to it. This piece of land is shown on the plan of "lands of the Hon.Thomas Watson 1737/8 " which refers to 6 acres of land on the north side of the Horringer road. On the south is the mill house ascribed to Widowe Woodroffe. I think her house was a marker as there is no other reference to her. The map of 1791 also shows the South Mill with "Woodroffe" attached, also another mill further south about 1/4 mile also "Woodroffe". These were presumably run by Edwards G/son. Also, still in respect to these mills, I have a reference to a mill built by Wm. Thurston miller, in the Southfield of Bury in 1637. The same document also mentions 1/2 acre of land "whereof a
windmill did lately stand --- lying in the west field of Bury".
Another document of 1618 describes "one windmill lately erected --- in the west fields of Bury".
If you would like any document ref numbers or clarification I can let you have them.
Regards, Sploshkin.
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Hi Sploshkin,
Sorry I did not reply earlier but I've been in the US on a holiday visiting family. It was warm!
This is ALL very interesting, and ref. numbers would help.
I have a photo of the 1791 ma here (not good quality) and had never notivce "Millhouse", and your right this normally denotes a mill rather than a miller's house (though it could have been a horse-mill?).
Did Edward Woodruff say who got the mill when Abigail died?
Addind this to my db right now, then I'll grab a couple of hours shut eye!
Windy
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Hi Sploshkin,
I should have re-read your earlier posting! John inherited the mill off Abigail!
Is your interest in Edward only or Woodroffe/Woodruff in general. I've notive that there seem to be plenty in east coast USA and some in Suffolk county there. Perhaps a few of your folk migrated there!
Windy
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BTW.
I have a note that Mrs. Woodroofe died 1818/08/09. Does anyone know if this was Edwards widow?
Windy
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Hello Windy,
The document references at Bury R O are of Guildhall Feoffment.
H1/5/9,10 1618 Westfield Mill - newly built mill. John Godfrey of Horringer yeoman to Wm Thurston of West Stow, miller. Robert Fent miller.
H1/3/31 1637 Concerning 5 little pieces of land. Exchange between feoffees and Wm Thurston of BSE miller.
Windmill lately built by Wm Thuston---at his own personal cost and charge in the Southfield of Bury.
One little piece of land whereof a windmill did lately stand --- lying in the west field.
Edwards wife Abigail Hammond was born at Westley 1684 and was buried St Mary's March 1747. I'm not sure who your 1818 burial refers to. Poss Mary wife of James 1815? I don't have a burial date for James. poss something fishy?
Some body got shot but I can't remember who.
Until middle of 1900s this particular family do not have appeared to have gone anywhere! Just died out. so, I'm really only interested in finding where Edward came from. Just remembered - one Edward went to Leeds middle 1800s!
If you need any further info just say. Regards, Sploshkin.
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Hi Sploshkin,
This is really interesting and has pushed my understanding if the southfield/ horringer mill back in time considerably. I feel guilty that I cannot help you locate your Edward! I'll keep an eye out as I trawel through listings and indexes.
By the way, you are right about Mrs. Woodroffe. I must have been having a funny turn. It would have made her 134 years old!!!
Windy
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I have an old Will and Testament of a miller from Bury St Edmunds, John Woodroffe dated 1775 from an original made in 1759.
It mentions the following Woodroffe's Edward son, another John son, Thomas son, James son, Alice Sarah Elizabeth daughter, Isabella daughter, Aliro wife.
Not sure if there is any connection, but the said John Woodroffe in his last will and testament leaves just one shilling to his son Edward due to his 'undutiful towards me'? His son John he leaves his Windmill set in Common Ground in the Parish Of Saint Mary's, Bury Saint Edmunds.
May be of help.
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Thankyou Mr. Marshall for your info on John Woodroffe, Miller, who died 1775 at Bury St Edmunds.
He was the son of the Edward W I have been trying to find the baptism of C1680. Nice try though, I do appreciate you trying to help. Are you interested in Woodroffes yourself?
Best wishes.
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Hello,
Its just that I have this will, and it was whilst researching the name I came onto this site, sad its of no help.
However I wish I could locate the windmill in Bury that the will states was left to his son John?
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There are 2 photos on the Spanton Jarman collection of Bury St Edmunds. Online at
www.burypastandpresent.org.uk/jarman-captions/all-images.shtm The relevant photos are about half way through the numerous photos not far after the Hardwick Manor , then Moreton Hall section.
I also have a postcard of West Mill House taken from Horringer Road, with the steam mill behind it taken after the demolition of the old mill. If you would like a copy let me know and I will send a private message with my email.
The reason I have these is because William Cockrill was a relative. (Not close but not in the twigs of my tree).
Spanton Jarman photo captions:-
West Mill at the top of Horringer Road was the last surviving working windmill in the town. Dating from 1719 it was in the Woodruffe family for many years. A disastrous fire in 1801 destroyed most of it but within a year it was rebuilt. In 1841 William Cockrill, the miller, employed 17 men and 8 boys. Thomas Catchpole ran the mill from 1881, the family being associated with the property for the next 50 years. The windmill was demolished in 1918 but Ernest Catchpole lived in the miller's house till 1935. (The Photo shows some of the Cockrill family in front of the miller's house).
The buildings shown are the two-gabled miller's house; the L-shaped steam mill dated 1846; and the post mill, which was demolished in 1918. The initials of William (Cockerell) {incorrect spelling} and the date 1846 are on the steam mill. The Catchpole family were the millers from c1880. (This photo shows the windmill).
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Just noticed that you want to locate the position of the mill. I had the same problem. West Mill House is/was a listed building off Horringer Road. I believe the site of the demolished windmill was at about No 17 Bristol Road, Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk IP33 2EE
Listing of what remains of the houses and steam mill :-
http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/en-466924-west-mill-bury-st-edmunds-suffolk#.VrMOmsvcvIU
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Sorry, Me again. To see it on an old map
Try Old-Maps - the online repository of historic maps
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/
Type in the postcode IP33 2EE 1886 map click enlarge view.
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Hi Sploshkin, Hookleg and Bert,
With about 500 windmills in Suffolk to research I'm pulled every direction at once! But after a long break I'm back looking a BStE and her mills.
I'm hoping you might be able to help...
Firstly, Sploshkin, you mentioned that you had a reference for the 1732 Will of Edward Woodroffe. Would it be cheeky to ask you for it?
In your posting of 2014 you mentioned several millers relating to the 1618 & 1637 documents, are any of them related to the Woodroffe family?
Secondly, Bert, the 1775 Will you mention; was it from 1775 and what was the connection with 1759. A really common and truly annoying habit of pasted generations was calling all your children John, William, Edward, etc, after yourself and yours father, etc. Makes it really hard to follow mill ownership. But we are know this problem!!! (Btw I think the wife you mentioned was Alice (in old-style writing the "c" can look like an "r" and an "e" like an "o".
I have located an interesting article in the "The Ipswich journal" (1801/10/24, p4,c4) dated relating to the burning down of a house of Mr. Woodroffe. The house having been struck by a meteor,
"Monday evening, about 8 o'clock, the dwelling house of Mr. Woodroffe, miller, near Horringer mill, Bury, was set on fire by a meteor, and consumed, together with a stable adjoining."
Cheers,
Windy
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Hi Windy Miller (Great name by the way)
.The will originally was made in 1759, and I dare say when John died in 1775 was when it was witnessed?
I can let you know the names of the witnesses later if you like, only I don't have the paper with me at present.
I can let you see a scan of the will if you like.
Which house was it that got struck, was it the one that was later rebuilt and is pictured on stedmundsbury website next to the windmill?
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Hi Bert,
I'd love to see a scan! Should I send you a PM with my email address?
On the house fire front; I believe the mill was that at West Mill site (Horringer is also known as Horning Heath and is the area where West Mill is mapped). The mill house that is standing at the site being built after the fire.
Windy
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Yes send a pm and I will send scanned picture to you, I must just say that hookleg on this thread has been of the most amazing help to me on my quest to locate the site of the old windmill, much thanks to him and yourself for all the great updated information.
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Hi again Windy,
Can you resend details to me, I messed up with my mail and deleted by mistake, please resend and I will get back to you.
Bert
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No worries. It should be winging its way to you right now.
Windy
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Sploshkin & Bert,
I've looked at copies of BStE maps I have and it seems that in 1791 (Thomas Warren cartographer) the Woodroffes had three mills in BStE area. The Horringer (West Mill) over to the south-west and two mills in the south-east. All three mills are in Saint Mary's Parish.
These SE mills sit south of St. Mary's Church and on the west-side of the Nowton Road. The road lay-out has changed dramatically in this area but my best guess is that the northerly of these two mills was near Hardwick Primary School, and the southern mill near Robin Road. In 1791 both these are listed in the occupation of John Woodroffe. By 1816 the Hardwick mill was still listed as a Woodroffe mill, but the Robin Road mill in the occupation of Jeremiah Plumb (I'd be interested if Plumb was related to the Woodroffes or did he buy the mill of John W?).
Sploshkin, do you know when John Woodroffe (married to Alice) died?
I'm not sure how much clarity this adds?
Windy
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Bert M. and Windy - Having had my book and wills out I realised that John Woodroffe's will was probated in April 1770 not 1775. He was buried in March 1770 aged 58 years.
The original will of John's father Edward, who was buried in March 1732 has the ref number IC500/I/186 (81). The names of the people mentioned in the deeds /contracts of the mills around Bury in the 1600s are not related to the Woodroffes as far as I can tell. Their surnames do not crop up in relation to that family .
I think that John W's will was made out in 1759 was because John's son Edward, born 1738 was kicking over his traces after reaching or approaching 21 years of age. His mother Isabella died in 1738, after a year John married Alice Holden. They had at least 9 children. Whatever son Edwards "undutifullness" was ,his father seems to have disinherited him. John and Alice's son John inherited the mills. I must say I felt quite sorry for Edward.
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Hi Sploshkin,
That all makes sense. Wills tended to be made whilst their testators were on their death beds, hence they often contain "weak in body but strong in mind" etc. The later date probably relates to an attested copy made to prove John's inheritance which usually kicked in at the coming of age, as you said, 21.
I'm very interested in your tantalising reference to other 1600s millers in Bury. I only have one in my database, plus several from the 1500s and 1700s (I call them my homeless millers as I cannot link them clearly to specific mills!):-
David Umfrey, dec’d (1498)
John Wall, dec’d (1504)
John Sparke, dec’d (1519)
Andrew Williamson (1687)
George Lumley (1741)
James West (1746)
I'd be very interested in these and any other millers you might have come across and any mills they might have been associated with; if you don't mind sharing this info it'd be incredibly helpful.
Cheers,
Windy
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I agree how badly son Edward seems to have been treated! Not only did he only get 1 shilling, but he had to ask for it!
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Sploshkin, Windy,
(John and Alice's son John inherited the mills. I must say I felt quite sorry for Edward.)
((This is still the Windmill in Horringer yes?))
Thank you both for the very interesting updates. I wish it would explain for me how this will came to be included in a bundle of documents that belonged to Marlow & Co Builders of Bury St Edmunds referring to the sale of properties in and around Bury. One of the directors I believe lived at Horringer Hill House, maybe this is the connection? But this is a whole new search thread I am guessing.
Bert.
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I agree how badly son Edward seems to have been treated! Not only did he only get 1 shilling, but he had to ask for it!
Sploshkin and Windy,
Are we saying Edward was born the same year his mother died?
Maybe if so there were complications with the birth (as was so common then), and John's wife died giving birth, which made John resent his new son, the rest being history, just a guess mind?
Bert.
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Hi Sploshkin, have you looked at the Woodroffe tree on Ancestry, going back to John W. born BSE abt 1634? If not, it might possibly be helpful. Several people mentioned in your early posting are mentioned. Dates seem correct from your info.
http://person.ancestry.co.uk/tree/56569070/person/30397752195/facts
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Windy, - Jeremiah Plumb rings no bells with me. However, if you do not have him, John Girt (Miller) died 1782 In St Mary's parish. He married in Cockfield 1756 to Mary Asbee. Their children were all baptised in Bury between 1758 and 1775. I have a note "Mill on L/H side of Bury to Nowton Road". I'm not sure where Robin Rd is in relation to that. He is the only windmiller I can find other than the 2 I mentioned earlier. I do have a water miller iwho died in 1575 at Fornham St Genevieve, named Richard Rastell. Possibly followed by his son in law John Cocker depending on whether Richard R's wife could be called a miller. I think the lease passed to her.
Bert M. Sorry I couldn't help clear up why the will was where it was. always more questions than answers?
Hookleg. I do not have Ancestry,but I never could find any connection between Edward Woodroffe and any of the 2 Woodroffe families which preceded him in Bury. There were 2 Johns who were heads of households - I would have been happy with either if there had been a son Edward. Perhaps I missed something or lost him during the Interregnum.
Regards to all.
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Southgate windmill to the side of Nowton Road was located just south of what is now Steward Road. If you use the side by side maps I referred to in an earlier posting about West Mill you can see the exact position of the mill on the 1888 map and see its position on Google Earth at the same time. Just to the east of the Hardwick Shopping Centre and just north of the garden allotments off Nowton Road.
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Sploshkin,
Thanks of the info on John Girt, I reviewed my database and found a John Girt in BStE. He had recently died, had been a miller, and his freehold estate was being sold at auction. He had been living at South-gate-street. Nothing related to his trade was included in the sale. The last sentence suggests that the house was pretty close to the roadside...
"A FREEHOLD ESTATE, pleafantly fituated in the South-gate-ftreet, Bury St. Edmund's, Suffolk, late in the occupation of Mr. JOHN GIRT, miller, deceafed; confifting of a new meffuage, (chief part built with brick and ftone, and covered with tiles) ftable, hog-houfe, an excellent piece of rich ground planted with the beft of fruit-trees, &c. The whole moderately affeffed, and an out going of 1s. 2d. per annum. Alfo, An exceeding good WEIGHING ENGINE, compleat (fixed to the freehold) which is conveniently fituated for weighing hay, &c. as carriages from many villages pafs through the faid ftreet to all parts of the town aforefaid."
Ipswich Journal, 1782/02/09.
It would be great to link him to Jeremiah who became the next? miller!!!
Could I ask where you got the info on the marriage from? I also have a few Asbey millwrights, though they are about 50 years later and most around Blythburgh.
Windy
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Hah!
Found the mill! I did not find it straight away because the advert did not explicitly say the John Girt (perhaps a son) was milling at the site. Anyway there it is! A small old-style postmill, probably with out a roundhouse...
"A POST WIND-MILL, with a Pair French ftones, &c. the whole in good repair, and fituated near the South-gate-ftreet, in Bury aforefaid. The purchafer may have poffeffion within 14 days after the fale, For further particulars enquire of Mr. John Girt, near the Sword in Hand Inn in the ftreet aforefaid."
IJ, 1783/12/06
Thanks for your help!
Windy
Windy
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Realise this has gone off the original topic but Hi Windy, Don’t know if you have this about Nowton Mill from June 1899. I've just come across it whilst looking for info on the 2x Button Haugh Mills at Gt Ashfield:-
Article in the Bury Free Press.
Nowton Road, Bury St Edmunds. An eligible small freehold property situate on the outskirts of the borough, consisting of a neat small dwelling house, stabling, chaise horse, piggeries &c. a capital four sail windmill, driving 2 pairs of stones and an enclosure of arable accommodation or market garden ground containing in all 2a. 1r. 12p occupied by Mr Wm. James at the rent of £25 per annum which Salter, Simpson and Sons are favoured with instructions to sell by auction at The Angel Hotel, Bury St Edmunds on Wednesday June 21st 1899 at 4 o’clock. The house has recently been repaired inside and out, and a considerable sum has also been expended upon the mill which is now in capital working order. Messrs Partridge and Wilson, vendors’ solicitors. Bury St Edmunds
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Hookleg, Thanks for the comment about the maps. I did look at the 1888? map but as for the Google map combination, I'm not very sharp when it comes to computers. So, I went and looked at the site.
Can't really imagine a windmill standing there in relative isolation.
Windy, the marriage I gave to you re. John Girt and Mary Asbee 1756 was one I found while looking for Girt in Boyd's marriages for Suffolk). I don't think I went into any great depth with him. Looked at his will presumably. I have been searching 20 years for a Mary Girt who had an illegitimate son in 1817. Still no joy.
Regards.
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For Windy, Sploshkin and Bert, if you are interested in the Cockrills of West Mill. Nathaniel Cockrill (1838-59) took over the running of West Mill when his father William Cockrill, the miller died. 3 months later Nathaniel was dead. Between 2 and 3 in the afternoon he went into his field to shoot birds. He lay his gun down in the ditch whilst he stopped to light his pipe. As he picked it up it discharged shooting him under his arm and into his lung. He was carried home but died just before 6 pm. He was just 21. (Remember, Smoking Kills!!) His brother William Elias Cockrill took over the milling. Their mother Thamar nee Goodrich who was born in Horningsheath, died at Hengrave watermill. Buried at Horringer( Horningsheath).
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Thanks for the information about John Girt, the miller of Bury. I believe that he is my 7th great grandfather through his daughter Elizabeth Girt. I have a copy of the Bury map from the late 1700's that they sell at the cathedral gift shop in Bury. Is anyone familiar with that map? If so, where on the map would be the approximate location of John Girt's mill? I see on the top right corner of the map that Southgate Street ends at the South Gate Green with Sudbury Road, Nowton Way, and Mill Lane branching off.
I'm also looking for any information on another miller ancestor of mine. He was Joseph Willis of Stradishall (1782-1859). I know that he was a landholder in Stradishall and that he was referred to as a miller in his 1804 marriage announcement to Sarah Pryke.
Thank you for any help!
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Hi Halfbrit,
Seem Joseph Willis and his family were at Stradishall (milling and owning her?) from about 1804 - 1883. I have noting for him from before that date.
A young lad (9 yo) was killed at the mill in 1861 (struck on the head by a sail). Joseph Willis appears to have been selling something at Stradishall in 1883. It may have been the mill?
I also have the following other Willis millers listed (all in Suffolk). I'd be interested in knowing if they are connected to your Joseph...
George @ Boxford 1812
George @ Woodbridge 1820
Samuel @ Stanton 1821
As you can see it was not a common name in milling circles!
As far as John Girt is concerned there were about 3 mills in the South-gate area, so without further information it may prove impossible to work out exactly which mill.
Windy Miller
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I have interest in name Woodroffe, there is info about a Edward Woodroffe b. May 03,1803 in Bury St Edmunds d. April 1870 , I am looking for his parents name , any help appreciated.
Thankyou Mr. Marshall for your info on John Woodroffe, Miller, who died 1775 at Bury St Edmunds.
He was the son of the Edward W I have been trying to find the baptism of C1680. Nice try though, I do appreciate you trying to help. Are you interested in Woodroffes yourself?
Best wishes.
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Have a look at Edmund Woodroffe born 1803 BSE this is my brand His son Charles can to Canada ca. 1853
Hi Sploshkin,
I should have re-read your earlier posting! John inherited the mill off Abigail!
Is your interest in Edward only or Woodroffe/Woodruff in general. I've notive that there seem to be plenty in east coast USA and some in Suffolk county there. Perhaps a few of your folk migrated there!
Windy
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Hi Glenmount,
Firstly I need to state that my interest in the Woodruffe/Woodroffe family is limited to their connections with milling, and specifically milling in Suffolk. They were clearly major millers in the Bury Saint Edmunds area for a LONG time!
Anyway, I have been through the papers before they were digitised and located the following in the Ipswich Journal on 1800/12/20,
""Married. Lately in London, Mr. James Woodroffe, miller, of Bury, to Miss Barton, of Horsecroft. ..."
Your Edward appears, for what you say, to have been baptised in 1803 (this does not mean he was born then as some where baptised years later, and it appears that some children were done in a "job lot" too).
However, James may be a good starting point?
It was James' house that was destroyed in the fire in 1801. James appears to have sold the mill in 1807 as he was moving to London to work in the brandy & spirits trade.
I hope this helps,
Windy
PS If you have any info on the millers I'd be grateful! :)
PPS I'm a bit dyslexic so if you cant understand what I've written let me know and I'll get Mrs. Windy to check & correct.
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Hello Glenmount. Re. Edmund Woodroffe. He was baptised in Bury St Edmunds in 1807 but born in 1803.His name is Edward but the 1851 census has him down as Edmund. Other censuses have his name as Edward. He did have a son called Charles for whom I can find no church baptism or birth in civil registration. Civil Reg.started in 1835, Charles born C 1832/3.
The father of Edward W. was Thomas W born 1749 in Bury St Edmunds. He was a baker. His mother was Jemima Wade. In an earlier posting of mine I said that an Edward Woodroffe had moved to Leeds in the early 1830s, in fact it was Thomas the son of Thomas and Jemima, Edward's brother. Sorry!
I hope this may be of use to you. Sploshkin.
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Thank you for the reply, I have not seen his reg paper or bap paper either, thanks for the info.
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Sploshskin below has it right, Edward was interchanged with Edmund the legal name is Edward and I am aware Thos married Jemima 1795 approx, on his marriage cert was John W who was a miller, search the marriage cert for Thos and Jemima on familysearch.org a copy is there and it’s free. If you have more info from Thomas back in time would be great.
Hi Glenmount,
Firstly I need to state that my interest in the Woodruffe/Woodroffe family is limited to their connections with milling, and specifically milling in Suffolk. They were clearly major millers in the Bury Saint Edmunds area for a LONG time!
Anyway, I have been through the papers before they were digitised and located the following in the Ipswich Journal on 1800/12/20,
""Married. Lately in London, Mr. James Woodroffe, miller, of Bury, to Miss Barton, of Horsecroft. ..."
Your Edward appears, for what you say, to have been baptised in 1803 (this does not mean he was born then as some where baptised years later, and it appears that some children were done in a "job lot" too).
However, James may be a good starting point?
It was James' house that was destroyed in the fire in 1801. James appears to have sold the mill in 1807 as he was moving to London to work in the brandy & spirits trade.
I hope this helps,
Windy
PS If you have any info on the millers I'd be grateful! :)
PPS I'm a bit dyslexic so if you cant understand what I've written let me know and I'll get Mrs. Windy to check & correct.
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windy_miller and sploshkin,
Read my recent post farther Dow, I posted it in wrong place. It talks about the name Edward vs Edmund and other info about a Miller named John Woodroffe who signed marriage cert for Thomas Woodroffe 1794 approx.
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If anyone has any background I could cross reference with my notes may be beneficial to all. Let me know.
Rgds
Murray Woodroffe
Toronto Canada
You can search me on ancestry search.org The info there takes you back to Edward Woodroffe who married Abigail abt 1709. I can send my personal email if I have contact with anyone on WhatsApp, phone number will be supplied, let me know what’s easier on here.
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I sent you an reply to your mail but it looks like it went elsewhere. if you did not get the mail this is the only way. To my knowledge Thomas W. married to Jemima in 1794 is the son of John and Alice W. bap 28 Nov 1748. If you can come up with a Tho W bap 1773 in this area I would be most interested.
It was suggested that on Ancestry there is a family tree for this branch of Woodroffes with Edward and Abigail of 1732 marriage on it .The bap of Edward given as 1666 ish. I don't have Ancestry so am unable to check it BUT the library versions I have seen have a lot of suggested dates !!
best wishes for the hunt . Sploshkin
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The email I gave you is correct, check it again in my message to you with email and other contacts.
Mw
I sent you an reply to your mail but it looks like it went elsewhere. if you did not get the mail this is the only way. To my knowledge Thomas W. married to Jemima in 1794 is the son of John and Alice W. bap 28 Nov 1748. If you can come up with a Tho W bap 1773 in this area I would be most interested.
It was suggested that on Ancestry there is a family tree for this branch of Woodroffes with Edward and Abigail of 1732 marriage on it .The bap of Edward given as 1666 ish. I don't have Ancestry so am unable to check it BUT the library versions I have seen have a lot of suggested dates !!
best wishes for the hunt . Sploshkin
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Hi Glenmount,
Ignore my PM to you, I seem to be repeating myself.
The info I have is as follows (with source):-
Edwd Woodruff, dec'd (1732), miller @ Horringer Windmill, BStE - Will - Ref unknown
John Woodroffe, 1787, miller of 2 windmills, BStE, Insurance, REFI
John Woodroffe, 1791, miller, creditor to bankrupt, Ipswich Journal
John Woodroffe, dec'd, 1800, miller, Ipswich Journal
Mr. Woodroffe, 1805, miller, apprentice wanted, Bury & Norwich Post
Jas. Woodroffe, 1807, miller @ Horningheath Windmill, BStE, Sale of mill, Ipswich Journal (Jas. became brandy merchant in London)
Mrs. Woodroffe, dec'd, 1806, Southgate Mill, BStE, B&NP
S. Woodroffe, miller, 1806, B&NP
Widow Woodroffe, dec'd, 1818, Ipswich Journal
Jas. Woodroffe, brandy merchant, 1807, London, robbed, B&NP
Mr. Woodroffe, miller, 1810, marriage to Miss Maderson, Suffolk Chronicle
Stephen Woodroffe, miller, 1815, ????, B&NP
Stephen Woodroffe, miller, 1819, Baker wanted, B&NP
Stephen Woodroffe, miller, 1824 Southgate Windmill, BStE, Miller wanted, B&NP
Stephen Woodroffe, dec'd, miller, 1832, Southgate Windmill, BStE, B&NP, (he died in the Melton Asylum)
John Woodroffe, miller, 1884, Horningheath Mill, BStE, crime, B&NP
I hope this helps your search for Woodroffes (or Woodruffs). Anything you might have that might fill gaps I have would be great, espically at the early end.
Cheers for now,
Wind Miller
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Thank you for the info, interesting! Will send any info on mills if it crops up. Are you in Bury?
Hi Glenmount,
Ignore my PM to you, I seem to be repeating myself.
The info I have is as follows (with source):-
Edwd Woodruff, dec'd (1732), miller @ Horringer Windmill, BStE - Will - Ref unknown
John Woodroffe, 1787, miller of 2 windmills, BStE, Insurance, REFI
John Woodroffe, 1791, miller, creditor to bankrupt, Ipswich Journal
John Woodroffe, dec'd, 1800, miller, Ipswich Journal
Mr. Woodroffe, 1805, miller, apprentice wanted, Bury & Norwich Post
Jas. Woodroffe, 1807, miller @ Horningheath Windmill, BStE, Sale of mill, Ipswich Journal (Jas. became brandy merchant in London)
Mrs. Woodroffe, dec'd, 1806, Southgate Mill, BStE, B&NP
S. Woodroffe, miller, 1806, B&NP
Widow Woodroffe, dec'd, 1818, Ipswich Journal
Jas. Woodroffe, brandy merchant, 1807, London, robbed, B&NP
Mr. Woodroffe, miller, 1810, marriage to Miss Maderson, Suffolk Chronicle
Stephen Woodroffe, miller, 1815, ????, B&NP
Stephen Woodroffe, miller, 1819, Baker wanted, B&NP
Stephen Woodroffe, miller, 1824 Southgate Windmill, BStE, Miller wanted, B&NP
Stephen Woodroffe, dec'd, miller, 1832, Southgate Windmill, BStE, B&NP, (he died in the Melton Asylum)
John Woodroffe, miller, 1884, Horningheath Mill, BStE, crime, B&NP
I hope this helps your search for Woodroffes (or Woodruffs). Anything you might have that might fill gaps I have would be great, espically at the early end.
Cheers for now,
Wind Miller
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Hi Glenmount,
Glad I could help.
Nope, I'm in the old smoke (London), but visit Suffolk on a regular basis.
Windy
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Hi Windy Miller,
Thanks for the reply, we sure would like to visit Bury someday. We were talking about a reunion with Woodroffes there but limit the attendance, who knows how many are there, I am sure there are a few. I am from Charles Woodroffe son of Edward from Bury who went to Canada in 1853/54. We will have to see if this is feasible and where we could get a meeting hall and have catering.I am 5th generation here in Canada.
Thank you for your imput.
Murray
Hi Glenmount,
Glad I could help.
Nope, I'm in the old smoke (London), but visit Suffolk on a regular basis.
Windy
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I thought this would interest on mills in E Anglia;
http://www.stedmundsburychronicle.co.uk/watermills/wmillsintro.htm
Hi Glenmount,
Glad I could help.
Nope, I'm in the old smoke (London), but visit Suffolk on a regular basis.
Windy
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Found this for you which I am sure you’ve seen. Its here;
http://www.suffolkmills.org.uk/windmills.html
I thought this would interest on mills in E Anglia;
http://www.stedmundsburychronicle.co.uk/watermills/wmillsintro.htm
Hi Glenmount,
Glad I could help.
Nope, I'm in the old smoke (London), but visit Suffolk on a regular basis.
Windy
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Hi All, this is my first post. Murray, we are cousins! I think it’s my “Woodroffe” tree tahatbpeo0le are referring to on Ancestry. Please note this is my personal research over the years, and should be verified by others rather than relying on it carte Blanche.
Some of the information I got was from a book on the parish records. It was extremely helpful. For those who haven’t discovered openlibrary.org you can find it there. Just type in Bury St Edmund’s in the search engine and you come up with 83 books. These are historic books; you might find some information about the mills.
One note of interest I think on Thomas Woodroffe and Jemima Wade. I found a newspaper clip announcing their marriage in 1794, except she was referred to as Mrs. Jemima Wade. This threw me for a bit, thinking maybe she was a widow, but she was single (from the marriage record on familysearch). I think the answer might be the birthdate of their son Thomas - he was born Dec 1793 but they didn’t marry until 1794. Plus they married in Norwich rather than Bury. this might have been to disguise the fact their son was born out of wedlock?
Thanks to all for the interesting conversation.
Susan
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Hi Susan,
Can you email me : murray.wood@sympatico.ca
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Hi All!
I am new here. To start, I am not a family member of the Woodruff family but am looking for clarification. I recently moved to Bury St Edmunds and am trying to find out more about the history of my house. I suspect that a post mill has been standing here alongside the house at one point. I came across the Woodruff family name as it is written next to a house and mill on an old Bury St Edmunds map. The map I attached is the Warren map of 1791 (midright zoom). This shows a mill to the right of 104, next to a house that has the name 'Woodrouffe' next to it. The other mill to the right is South Gate mill, and further to the right (not on the map) was another mill for South Gate brick works. Nowton Mill was further along again.
Is this the same family of millers? If so, is there any information on the house and mill? How old they are(I think prior to 1740?)? What did the original house look like?
If not, do you know where I can find out more? I have more maps and info but didn't want to put is all in my first post :)
Thanks in advance!
Thera
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Hello,
Its just that I have this will, and it was whilst researching the name I came onto this site, sad its of no help.
However I wish I could locate the windmill in Bury that the will states was left to his son John?
Bert
I have been told that this mill is the one on the 1791 map with the name Woodrouffe on it (just by Heath Lane). His son John took over the lease in 1776, I believe. If this is correct, then the remains of the mill are in my garden.
Thera
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Thera
My wife I want to visit Bury perhaps sometime this summer, we hope to be able to see you.
Murray Woodroffe
* This is my family there in Bury.
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Hi Thera,
I know the map will, its in the stairwell at the records office. All the properties are numbered and these numbers would have been linked to a book with the owners and tenants names along with the areas of each property. Unfortunately I have never been able to locate the associated book or index.
Very frustrating!
The house is probably Woodroff's, but the book would prove it. I suspect that there were multiple copies of both the map and book; so may be there are other copies still around?
Windy Miller
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Hi Windy Miller
That's the map! Its a lot better in real life than looking at it online.
As I now live in Bury St Edmunds, I was planning to go back to the records office anyway to have a look at the tithe maps and a will from the 18th century. I will have a look to see if they have or know of any book that would hold the info of ownership. From what they explained last week, I might be able to find out more from some other documents they have in their strong room.
I'll let you know!
Thera
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Thera,
You might want to ask them if the land in that part of BStE was linked to any Manors, in which case the Manorial Books are useful, but I would focus on those with indexes. The Church may also have held some of these lands?
Good luck with your search, and, if you come across any mill data, I'd appreciate any references so I can search them out my self.
Cheers,
Windy
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Edward Woodroffe lived on a street called Short Brackland for some time and this is where our Charles Woodroffe and other siblings lived before Charles came to Canada on his own.
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The John here below that took over is the one that witnessed the marriage license for Thomas Woodroffe who married Jemima Wade who we all know had a son outside wedlock and his name was Thomas.
Hello,
Its just that I have this will, and it was whilst researching the name I came onto this site, sad its of no help.
However I wish I could locate the windmill in Bury that the will states was left to his son John?
Bert
I have been told that this mill is the one on the 1791 map with the name Woodrouffe on it (just by Heath Lane). His son John took over the lease in 1776, I believe. If this is correct, then the remains of the mill are in my garden.
Thera
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Hello,
Its just that I have this will, and it was whilst researching the name I came onto this site, sad its of no help.
However I wish I could locate the windmill in Bury that the will states was left to his son John?
Hi Bert
I hope you still visit this site. The mill (South Mill) you are looking for that went to John Woodroffe is at the back of where I live. Although the mill is gone you can still see where it stood due to the big round lump that is visible. There was a house alongside this mill called Sunny Hill which is I presume is where the Woodroffe family lived, rather than in Horringer? Is this house mentioned in the will at all? Just trying to get to the bottom of the house history, which is proving a challenge.
Thanks!
Thera
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Hi, I have read this thread with great interest and wondered if anyone can help. I am descended from John Woodroffe b 1802 in Bury St Edmunds who moved to Colchester and setup a bakery in 1825 or so. I believe his father was another John Woodroffe who married Mary Cummings and his grandfather yet again John Woodroffe who married Mary Pavis. All seem to be millers so must be linked to the people in this thread but I can't sort out the various John's and other Woodroffe's before that. Anyone have any ideas who John's (b1802) greatgrandfather might be?