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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: jamcat95 on Monday 14 April 14 09:33 BST (UK)
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Hi
I have hit a brick wall with my McQueen family. I wonder if anyone has any ideas where to look for their parents. I have kept the information simple so as not to get too complicated.
John McQueen b. Edinburgh around 1814 and died in Glasgow 1882
Margaret Rankin b. Edinburgh around 1812 and died in Glasgow 1888
According to John’s death certificate his parents’ names were John McQueen (Seaman) and Catherine Ross.
According to Margaret’s death certificate her parents’ names were William Rankin (Baker) and Catherine Shaw.
They are present in the 1841 census and other censuses in Glasgow Barony. John was a bricklayer.
I have found what could be their parents but it is only guess work. I have found no certain evidence. They did though have a daughter Margaret born 1833 in Edinburgh and a son John born 1835 in I believe to be Liverpool.
Thank you.
Ian.
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Hi Ian
Indeed, hard to see anything much on parents for them both so far :-\
Is this John and Margaret's family here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SRFM-V8B
I see from someone else's research that they have linked your John born c. 1814 to a potential brother Joseph McQueen, son of a John McQueen and a Catherine Neilson (not Ross as you had), also born in Edinburgh around the time of your John https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT56-5RH
This family in 1851:
Joseph Mcqueen 36 Cabinet Maker b. Edinburgh
Margaret Mcqueen 29 b. England
Theadore Mcqueen 9 b. Glasgow
Joseph Mcqueen 2 b. England
Address: 9 Dean Street, Glasgow
There are a couple of baby births and deaths on the birth days in Edinburgh with father showing as John McQueen, also in the right time frame: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTNF-4QP and https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTNN-HH4
Monica
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Although the transcript above shows Joseph's wife as a Margaret, wife looks to have been a Mary Jones? Their marriage/banns here, just before the 1841 census, https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTTX-N32
They show in 1841 living at Parliamentary Road, which I found promising given that this is also where your John was living in 1841.
Joseph Mcqueen 25 cabinet maker b. Scotland
Mary Mcqueen 20 b. England.
Joseph's family in England by the time of the 1861 census, in the town of Burslem, Staffs. Mary shows as living with her mother and a widow by now, although not by long. Youngest child is only 6 months old. Last child I can see born to them in Scotland was Thomas b. 1855 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQFS-H96
Monica
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:-\ Equally tricky seems to be Margaret Rankin's side.
There is William Rankine, a baker by occupation b. Midlothian and aged 75. He shows at the Edinburgh City Workhouse, New Greyfriars.
Aged 75 in 1841, with the recommended rounding down of years for those over 15 years old, means that this William could have been aged anywhere from 75-79.
Monica
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Thank you Monica. You have been busy.
The research with Catherine Nielson is probably mine. I put her in hoping to get some attention. I thought that maybe Catherine Ross had died and John had re-married.
I had not seen those baby births on Familysearch. I will check those out. Thank you.
I had also seen a Joseph on Parliamentary Road. I will look into Mary Jones too. Thank you.
I had found a William Rankine, a baker in the 1851 census from Dunbarton aged 54 living in Dunbarton. But not one living in Edinburgh. I will look into that too.
Thank you for your help. It is really helpful to get new angles to look at.
Ian
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Is this John and Margaret's family here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SRFM-V8B
Yes, this is the family. I had seen this tree before and had decided that the name of the mother Dick is not right.
Ian
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:-\ Equally tricky seems to be Margaret Rankin's side.
There is William Rankine, a baker by occupation b. Midlothian and aged 75. He shows at the Edinburgh City Workhouse, New Greyfriars.
Aged 75 in 1841, with the recommended rounding down of years for those over 15 years old, means that this William could have been aged anywhere from 75-79.
Monica
Hi Monica
I'm sorry but I cannot locate this William on Ancestry or Familysearch or Scotlandspeople. Can you give me link please.
Ian
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Is this John and Margaret's family here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SRFM-V8B
Yes, this is the family. I had seen this tree before and had decided that the name of the mother Dick is not right.
Ian
Hi Ian,
Got me a bit confused there, Ian. I followed Monica's link, and cannot see a mother called Dick.
Also cannot find the William Rankin/Catherine Shaw marriage on LDS for having a Margaret Rankin in 1813. I found a William Rankin/Catherine Shaw marriage but much later had 4 children after 1856, so obviously not the correct couple.
There is a tree on Ancestry, by bob the bodybuilder, which has a tree including the William Rankin and Catherine Shaw above, is that tree connected to you?
Tom
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Got me a bit confused there, Ian. I followed Monica's link, and cannot see a mother called Dick.
There is a tree on Ancestry, by bob the bodybuilder, which has a tree including the William Rankin and Catherine Shaw above, is that tree connected to you?
Tom
Hi Tom
Thank you for looking.....
If you click on John's name in that tree, Dick is the surname of his mother.
The tree on Ancestry is mine
Ian
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Hi Ian,
Thanks Ian, some days I cannot see the wood for the trees!
Yes, I now see what you mentioned re Dick surname. However I cannot understand that the same John McQueen was raising 2 families with 2 different spouses at the same time. I haven't seen this type of thing since the LDS changed, and used to have submitted records, where you were sent on wild goose chases.
I think I will go back to the 2 death certificates and work from them.
Tom
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Hi Tom
I remember that I traced this Mary Dick and indeed she married a John McQueen but the children were not the same, so whoever owns that tree in my opinion has made a mistake. I did actually take her off my list quite early on in my research. But I could be wrong.
I did find a marriage of a Nielson and McQueen and thought maybe he had re-married.
Of course the names on the death certificates could be wrong!!
I will have to start again and see what that brings up.
The search continues.
Thank you.
Ian
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Hi Tom
This link from LDS - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/SRFM-V8Z - include only a submitted member tree/pedigree file. They come up under 'Genealogy' tab at the top of family search screen. See notes on https://familysearch.org/family-trees:
Search User Submitted Genealogies
User Submitted Genealogies is a set of lineage linked conclusion trees provided to FamilySearch by users. This data comes from the Ancestral File, the Pedigree Resource File and other user submissions.
I haven't been able to find original extracted entries indexed on LDS for either John or Margaret, siblings with parents' names or parents' marriage from the names we have. The closest I have come is to the son of a John McQueen and a Catherine Neilson, Joseph and his family details. Ian, there is a possibility (pain when it happens) that a mistake was made on John's death cert which showed mother's maiden name as Ross. The info is only as good as that reported by the informant in these cases.
Monica :)
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Sorry Ian and Tom - talking part nonsense :P I hadn't checked for Neilson and McQueen, just for Ross.
This is the marriage you might have seen Ian in 1802 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT12-FYZ
There are these possible births
Daniel 1807 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTR6-4MP
John 1812 in England https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JWVD-SD9 *
Joseph 1815 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQC3-X7W
Could your John have been born in England but lived either side in Edinburgh?
Monica
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Hi Monica, Ian et al,
Looking at Jn Loggan McQueen's birth entry,
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JWVD-SD9 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JWVD-SD9)
He was actually born 10 Dec 11 but not baptised until 02 Feb 1812 in All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne. Do you think Jn McQueen senior was a soldier or militiaman, who had to move, and possibly young Jn Loggan could have been born in Edinburgh?
Tom
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Hi
This English connection could be something. John McQueen and Margaret Rankin had a son John, born according to the censuses in Liverpool.
Here is what I think to be the baptism in 1835.... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J3N1-FQ1
This is also on the OPC of the County of Lancashire site... http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Ian
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:-\ Equally tricky seems to be Margaret Rankin's side.
There is William Rankine, a baker by occupation b. Midlothian and aged 75. He shows at the Edinburgh City Workhouse, New Greyfriars.
Aged 75 in 1841, with the recommended rounding down of years for those over 15 years old, means that this William could have been aged anywhere from 75-79.
Monica
Hi Monica
I'm sorry but I cannot locate this William on Ancestry or Familysearch or Scotlandspeople. Can you give me link please.
Ian
Hi Monica
Can you tell me where you found this info please. Thanks.
Ian
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Ian, a good place to check that 1841 census entry for William Rankin, baker, at the City Poorhouse in Edinburgh is on http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl A better transcript than elsewhere ::)
Monica