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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Staffordshire => England => Staffordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: gillianR on Monday 14 April 14 15:52 BST (UK)
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Hi All
Thought I would start a new topic as my original one for the Hickmans is quite big.
I am looking for George Hickman born c 1849 Wolverhampton.
Father Charles Mother Mary.
He is on the 1851 HO107; Piece: 2018; Folio: 129; Page: 18;
He is on the 1861 Class: RG 9; Piece: 1991; Folio: 124; Page: 22;
I cannot find him on the 1871, 1881, 1891, 1901 or the other one.
I have found a few marriages and one which stands out is Sarah Ann Leather 1870,(BMD)
There is a Sarah Ann with George Hickman on the 1871, 1881 and 1891, BUT
he is down as being born in Birmingham, (as that was where he was living at the time of the census's,) and his occ: Brass Worker
From then on I cannot trace him or her, or even a death.
Any help will be appreciated as usual:)
Regards
Gillianr
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There is a George Hickman b c1850 Wolverhampton married to an Alice in London
1881 RG11/5214/95/30
1891 RG12/423/1093/37
Are you sure you are tracing the right one?
Willow x
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Hi
He may have died or emigrated, there are a couple that could be him, one is an officer in the Fusiliers one is a Music Teacher, so I don't think that either of are him, I would not discount the one born in Birmingham, I have seen this time and time again, as soon has children leave home, there birth place changes
You will need to check on the earlier census, to see if the one in Birmingham, is accounted for
Margp
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Hello Margp
There is a George Hickman born 1849 in Birmingham, but HIS parents are Thomas and Maria
and my George's parents are Charles and Mary.
Thanks for your input though.
I do feel that because he was living in Birmingham, that he supposed thats where he was born,
or the enumerator took it that way.
Thanks for your input,
Regards
gillianr
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Hello Willow
No, I am not sure that I am tracing the correct George, but I will check out those two census returns which you sent to me.
Regards
Gillianr
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Hello Willow
I have looked at the two census returns you sent to me, and I am sure it is not the one I want,
owing to his occupation.
I am more inclined to go for the one, now, in Birmingham, as I do know that the Hickmans
coming nearer to present generation, were born in Birmingham.
I think I will go with the 1871, 1881, and 1891 I have already found with Sarah Ann as his wife,
but still need to find his death, seeing as I cannot find him in 1901.
This I feel is Sarah's death:Deaths Mar 1891 (>99%)
Hickman Sarah Ann 50 Birmingham 6d 104
Thanks for your help.
Regards
Gillianr
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Hello Willow
I think you may be right, that I am chasing the wrong George Hickman, because I found the marriage certificate for him being married to Sarah Ann Leather, in 1870, and George's father's
name does not look like 'Charles', which I need it to be. The writing is awful to say the least,
but I have been a bit cheeky and contacted the Geneology person at Bham Reg Office, and have asked if he can take a look at it, and say 'yes' or 'no' to the question: Is George's father's name
'Charles'?
I have a feeling it looks more like 'James', but I will have to wait and see, and if it, try again.:(
Regards
Gillianr
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Hi Willow
Well, I did not find out what I wanted from the Bham Reg Office, so I still don't know the name of
George Hickman's father on the marriage certificate:(
Ah well, I tried.
Regards
Gillianr
PS
I have a new look up required if it is possible.
Edward Hickman born.c. 1853 (this is brother to George).
Edward is on the 1861, RG 9; Piece: 1991; Folio: 124; Page: 22;
1871RG10; Piece: 2936; Folio: 116; Page: 12
1881.RG11; Piece: 2793; Folio: 93; Page: 21;and 1891 RG12; Piece: 507; Folio: 101; Page: 1;
On the 1881 and 1891 he is with a wife Beatrice, and this is what I need help with - please:
I cannot find the marriage between Edward and Beatrice but on the 1891 he has himself down as Edwin. I have search both of those names.
Thanking you in anticipation:)
Regards
Gillianr
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On ancestry they have the marriage of an Edward Hickman 1877 Wolverhampton to a Bridget Gough they also have the death of a Bridget Hickman 1898 Greenwich
If Edward/Edwin moved to London then the other George I mentioned may be a possibility
Im just checking to see if I can find the 1877 marriage on the W-ton archive site
Willow x
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Hi Willow
I also have a death for Edward Hickman in 1899 in Greenwich:
Death from Free BMD
Deaths Dec 1899 (>99%)
Hickman Edward 47 Greenwich 1d 790
So that would tie in with the death you found for Bridget
which means you may well be right:)
Regards
Gillianr
Regards
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Hello again Willow
I have found the marriage for Edward Hickman and Bridget Gough Sept 1877 in
Wolverhampton, but, cannot find either of them on the 1881 or 1891, in Staffordshire or London.
Regards
Gillianr
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There was no sign of the marriage on the archive
Edwin also states he was born Leicester on the 1891!
Willow x
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Hi Willow
Marriage from Free BMD Possibly
Marriages Sep 1877 (>99%)
Gough Bridget Wolverhampton 6b 748
HICKMAN Edward Wolverhampton 6b 748
The occupation of Edward from 1871 through 1881 and 1891 is Blacksmith, which was why I was sure I had the right one, but cannot find him on the 1881 with a wife named Bridget or on the 1891,
only with Beatrice. I wonder if there was in those days an alternative name for Beatrice/Bridget, or if in fact she had a middle name being Beatrice, and decided to use that name rather than Bridget.?? Or are there mis-spellings along the line??
The one I have followed with Beatrice, gives the names of his children, Edward Thos born c 1878
in Wolverhampton, Henry Jas born c. 1880 in Wolverhampton, John Born c. 1883 in Wolverhampton Mary Ann Born.c. 1885 in Wolverhampton anf Alice Ellen born c. 1891 in DEPTFORD London.
Because Edward died in 1899, (not sure about his wife) I found Alice Ellen in 1901 in an Orphanage,Class: RG13; Piece: 652; Folio: 186; Page: 15. and in 1911 she was in the Workhouse
: RG14; Piece: 17531. (which tells me she had lost her parents)
I then found Mary Ann in 1901 as a boarder in Wolverhampton RG13; Piece: 2683; Folio: 72; Page: 26. and in 1911 as a general domestic servant, in Balham S.W. RG14; Piece: 2301.
(again I feel that she had lost her parents)
John I found in 1901 as a prisoner in Wales (a reform home)RG13; Piece: 5213; Folio: 145; Page: 5. and in 1903 he married in Prestwich and was living in Beswick.RG14; Piece: 24284.
(Because he was in trouble, I feel again, that he had no parents)
Henry James (Jas) married in 1899 in Greenwich.In 1901 he was living in Dulwich London
Occ: Blacksmith (which appears to run through the family of Hickmans)Class: RG13; Piece: 501; Folio: 18; Page: 23. and on the 1911 still a Blacksmith living in Camberwell London,RG14; Piece: 2528.
I still have one more to check out.
The fact that they all seemed to be 'free spirits' due to being parentless, they all drifted, and did end up in London.
Hope this does not give you the screeming abdabs:) as I thought I was on to a pretty good 'roll'
until I could not find the marriage of Edward and Beatrice, and not being able to find them in 1881 and 1891.:(
Enjoy:)
Bet you tell me I am wrong.
Regards
Gillianr
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I think Bridget/Beatrice is the same person I think you are right about the kids though being dispersed when both of them died
Willow x
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Hi
Pleased to hear you think I am right:) note: only 'think' I am right:)
I did see that Edwin put his place of birth on the 1891 as Leicestershire, but
on the 'front page' it is printed down as born Wolverhampton.
It appears that the enumerator assumed for some reason that Edwin was born in Leicester,
(don't they make it hard for us??:)
I have just found the marriage of Edward Thomas to Alice Maud Harper in 1905 in St.Olave
Marriage from Free BMD
Marriages Sep 1905 (>99%)
HARPER Alice Maud St. Olave 1d 392
Hickman Edward Thomas St. Olave 1d 392
and have also found her on the 1901 in a 'Home' called St.James's, in London.Occ: Launderess.
She was born in Gravesend Kent, and was single at the time.RG14; Piece: 1929.
But I still can't find Edward Thomas Hickman on the 1901 - :(
Brick Wall???
Any suggestions?
Regards
Gillianr
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Someone has a public tree on Ancestry who have George married to the Alice I mentioned earlier and they have his father down as being Charles they are in Westmorland in the 1881 then in the 1891 census in Battersea after that they vanish
There is a possible marriage 1877 in the Dudley are of George Hickman and an Alice Rimmer 6c 1843 is the reference
They vanish after 1891 so maybe they emigrated? It might be worth e-mailing the owner of the tree to see where they got the information from
Willow x
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Hi Willow
I have just e.mailed the owner of the Hickman Tree which you told me about.
Actually I had already seen the 1881 and 1891 census returns, but did not think it was George Hickman due to the occupation, Inland Revenue Worker. (What was I thinking?? Maybe I thought he was not intelligent enough for that type of job:( seeing that the rest of the family were Blacksmiths and worked in iron. Ah well, I could well have been wrong.
Also, though, this person I have contacted, does not appear to have him on the 1871 or 1901
same as me. His other census returns match up with mine. I will wait and see what happens.
Once again, thanks for your input,
Best wishes
gillianr
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No problem I will keep looking pity we cant find a transcript of the marriage certificate that would pin it down
Willow x
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Hi Willow
I have had a reply from that person on Ancetry.co.uk
He can't really help, as he only knows that George was married to an Alice, and cannot find a
marriage certificate either. He did say he would keep a 'lookout' though. At least he replied:)
I am tempted to try for the marriage cert for Alice Rimmer, seeing as how I have the Ref. No.
I will think about it and let you know.
Regards
Gillianr
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Might be your best bet I will keep my eyes open too
Nice of him to reply ;D
Willow x
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Hi Gillian
Are you still looking for the parents of George Hickman. I am descended from William Hickman born 1848 Wolverhampton. I was looking for his birth certificiate but cannot find it. However, I have found baptisms for the last 4 children. I presumed as Mary is stated as being born in Ireland she was catholic, so searched their records. I have found the baptisms for Mary, John, Harriet and Charles, which were done at St Peters and St Pauls Catholic church in Wolverhampton and St Marys and St Johns in Wolverhampton. I need to find those for the first 4 children, James, George, Edward and William. According to the baptism certificates it clearly states their mothers name as Mary MURRAY. I intend, hopefully, early next year to go to the Catholic records office in Birmingham to see if I can find the other baptisms and possibly the marriage of Charles Hickman and Mary Murray. I am informed that a lot of catholics did not register the births as they thought the baptism sufficient and it wasnt until the 1880s that a fine was imposed for not registering them.
Pat