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Title: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: JonJon on Tuesday 15 April 14 18:45 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thomas TACEY was transported to VDL and arrived there in 1840 on the Runnymede.

Please can I have help to find out what happened to him and his descendants ?

It seems as if he may have married twice first to Sarah PAGE
and later to a Catherine..  although I am far from certain about this.

There seems to have been at least one daughter.

Looking forward to hearing from you.

JonJon              in Toronto where it snowed today.




Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: giblet on Tuesday 15 April 14 20:39 BST (UK)
Hi,
He has a confusing record where it states family etc.

Family
Married and 1 Child Wife Catherine at {Wondon}

Marital Status
Married and 2 Children

http://foundersandsurvivors.org/pubsearch/convict/chain/c31a31440284

Im assuming he was married to a Catherine in the UK before been shipped out here, then remarried.

Permission to marry .. Tasmania state archives
TACEY   Thomas      ship   Runnymede   PAGE   Sarah   free   00 FEB 1845


The Cornwall Chronicle (Launceston, Tas. : 1835 - 1880)
Saturday 6 July 1850
Recommended for Conditional Pardons.
etc etc
Thomas Tacey, Runnymede

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/65976246?searchTerm=%22thomas%20tacey%22&searchLimits=exactPhrase=thomas+tacey
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: giblet on Wednesday 16 April 14 00:04 BST (UK)
I have found a newspaper article on his court case if your interested.
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: giblet on Wednesday 16 April 14 00:13 BST (UK)
I also found this index to the 1841 UK census but i dont have access to get further info from it.

Catherine Tacey   Age    25
Birthplace    Leicestershire
Registration District    Barrow Upon Soar
Sub-District    Barrow Upon Soar
Parish    Barrow Upon Soar
County    Leicestershire
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: giblet on Wednesday 16 April 14 00:16 BST (UK)
Thomas Tacey
Spouse's Name   Catherine Frier
Event Date    1830
Event Place    Barrow Upon Soar,Leicester,England


Scrap that marriage  ::)
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: JonJon on Wednesday 16 April 14 00:22 BST (UK)
Hi,

Thanks Giblet.

Yes Thomas TACEY was married to Catherine ( nee FRIER ) who can be found in the UK Census for 1841 living in Barrow-upon-Soar, Leicestershire, England.

Yes you found the correct UK marriage.
Other household members are her mother and grandmother plus a boy that may be a son.
The boy Joseph died soon after the 1841 census was taken.

There is a series of messages in Rootschat  Leicestershire about the UK side of the story.
I also have UK Newspaper items on the court case.

I would like to know if he did marry Sarah PAGE and if they had children etc.

There seems to be a matching family in a Census of Tasmania.

Regards
JonJon




Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 16 April 14 00:30 BST (UK)
Hi,
Some burials.

Ross Anglican Cemetery, Tasmania
Herbert Tacey
Born: 1st Dec 1877, died: 7th Dec 1878.

Margaret Collins Tacey
Born: 1873, died: 13th Nov 1892.

William Tacey
Born: 1842, died: 29th Jun 1893.

Campbell Town Methodist Cemetery
Eric William Tacey
Born: 29th Nov 1895 Campbelltown , died: 20th Feb 1896 Campbelltown.

Gerry
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: Aussie1947 on Wednesday 16 April 14 00:42 BST (UK)

1890-91 Tasmanian Post Office Directory.
ROSS
Tacey William, carter
Tacey Francis, labourer.

1892-93 Tasmanian Post Office Directory.
ROSS
Tacey William, carter
Tacey Francis, labourer

1894-95 Tasmanian Post Office Directory.
ROSS
Tacey William, carter

Gerry
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 16 April 14 07:57 BST (UK)


There seems to be a matching family in a Census of Tasmania.

Regards
JonJon

As you say there appears to be a record in 1848.

 

http://www.linc.tas.gov.au/tasmaniasheritage/search/name-indexes/nameindexes

On the page which shows the index of his name, there is the option to complete a form to order the record.  To know more, you may need to do this.

Sue
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: sparrett on Wednesday 16 April 14 08:19 BST (UK)

Could this inquiry in the newspaper in 1879 be regarding the same man?


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/8979523?searchTerm="thomas tacey"&searchLimits=l-textSearchScope=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-word=*ignore*%7C*ignore*|||l-title=10

Sue
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: JonJon on Wednesday 16 April 14 17:39 BST (UK)
Hi Sue,

Thanks for the newspaper notice.

It could be the same .. but additional data would be needed.

Cheers
JonJon
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: TasTyger on Wednesday 16 April 14 22:53 BST (UK)
The actual census returns are available online without having to order them. Just go to this web portal -

http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=10

Enter the details of the person your looking for and click search. Will bring up a list of names and locations plus census locations. In this case Tacey, Thomas 1848 Launceston CEN1/1/102 page 53.

Click on the 53 and it will take you to the METS Reader and the 2 page Census return.

Found this  to be an excellent resource...

Cheers,

Peter
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: giblet on Wednesday 16 April 14 23:06 BST (UK)
Thanks Peter. So that census tells us he was married with one kid. And it appears his wife was born in the colonies.
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 17 April 14 02:46 BST (UK)
Thomas T(R)ACEY was a steerage passenger on the Yarra Yarra which departed Launceston for Melbourne on 20 Oct 1852.  He had arrived in the colony on the Runnymede and had a conditional pardon. http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=2

This doesn't mean he left Tasmania permanently, but at least you know he was still alive.

I initially thought that the census entry was for Thomas FACEY and his wife and daughter who lived in Launceston at the time.  However the married male holding a ticket of leave would apply to Thomas TACEY rather than Thomas FACEY who arrived free on the Royal Saxon in 1842.

Giblet, the married female arrived free, not born in the colony.

I can't see a marriage or any births which might be connected to Thomas TACEY.

'LACEY' is possibly another misinterpreted name you should be looking for.

JonJon, have you identified parents' names for your Thomas?  Death registrations in Victoria record the parents' names if they were known by the informant.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: JonJon on Thursday 17 April 14 13:56 BST (UK)
Thank you Debra,

I had trawled the Taz marriage images on FamilySearch and discovered a marriage of a Thomas FACEY and Betsy BEAM(?). I should look at the death registers for Sarah PAGE.

Also; using Trove found a Family Notice from Bendigo, dated 1888, that seems to be a match.
Surname given as TACEY  death dates for Thomas & Betsy.  No idea how to follow-up short of buying death certs. Have not attempted to find Bendigo cemetery records on-line yet.

Sadly I do not know who Thomas TACEY's parents were. He was born about 1810 probably in Leicestershire, England; likely at Borrow-upon-Soar.  His UK wife's family were Baptists. She remarried as Catherine TACEY to a John HUBBARD in 1849.. see tree on Ancestry.

All for now.

Regards
JonJon 
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 17 April 14 14:44 BST (UK)
Thomas FACEY and Betsy KEAM/KEAN/CAIN/KING and their children went to Victoria in 1852.  He is a different person from Thomas TACEY (I wondered myself briefly if he was the same person).

There are notices in the paper after he died in the name of FACEY, but just one was mistakenly written as TACEY.  He arrived free in 1842 on the Royal Saxon and Betsy said she arrived free on the Indian but I can only find a surviviing list of male immigrants who arrived on that ship in 1842.  http://portal.archives.tas.gov.au/menu.aspx?search=2

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Thomas TACEY : Convict to Tasmania ?
Post by: JonJon on Thursday 17 April 14 15:24 BST (UK)
Thanks Debra,

Very good of you to follow up.

FWIW, my wife is fra' Dundee, Scotland.

Regards
JonJon