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Title: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: hunkyhywel on Friday 18 April 14 14:03 BST (UK)
I'm struggling to find a family in the census.
Mary Jane Howel bap. 1850 Jan, Chapel Hill, Tintern, Monmouthshire
Her father: David Howel, a publicna in 1850
Her mother: Eliza Howel

I'm struggling to find this family in the census; can anyone help me?
NB: I believe that Mary Jane Howel married circa 1872; anything later and he surname was Parker.

Thanks in advance,
Hywel
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 18 April 14 14:12 BST (UK)
I can see a likely looking Howell family in 1851 with a daur Mary J age 1 year, b Chapel Hill, but the father is a Tiler and Plasterer.

Pontysaison(?)
Chapel Hill
David Howell 38 b Monk Tellick(?) Grange
Eliza 31 or 31 b Chapel Hill
Henry 7
Eliza 5
Ann 3
Mary J 1
Hannah Hopkins? (transcribed as Stephens :-\ servt 18
HO107/2443/243/23
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: SmallTownGirl on Friday 18 April 14 14:15 BST (UK)
In 1861 they're at Howells/Howell Cottage in Chapel Hill.  David, a plasterer, and Eliza, and five children:

Eliza 15
Annie
13
Mary Jane 11
Edward 9
Tom 1

STG

Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: SmallTownGirl on Friday 18 April 14 14:17 BST (UK)
I can see a likely looking Howell family in 1851 with a daur Mary J age 1 year, b Chapel Hill, but the father is a Tiler and Plasterer.

Yes, I see that family too.  Matches in 1861 with children Eliza 5, Ann 3 and Mary Jane 1.  There's also a 7yo son called Henry.
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 18 April 14 14:21 BST (UK)
In 1861 David's POB is Trellecks Grange, and he is a Plasterer.
RG8/3976/94/5
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 18 April 14 14:25 BST (UK)
In 1871 I think they are at the same address. David is still a Plasterer. They have an additional son Sidney aged 9, and daur Louisa R aged 8.
RG10/5295/32/9

Same in 1881, minus all but two children. David is still a Plasterer.  :)
RG11/5219/104/17
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 18 April 14 14:34 BST (UK)
Eliza is a widow by 1891, living in what looks like the same place, she has an indecipherable occupation.
RG12/4336/93/15

Eliza is still around in 1901 aged 80, bless her, and is a Refreshment House Keeper. living Howell's Cottage.
Rg13/4916/66/3

Sadly, I think she is gone by 1911 ...
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: suzard on Friday 18 April 14 15:03 BST (UK)
Cannot find Mary J in 1871 census

Is this her in 1881 (will transcribe as the image reads )
5 Church St  Tredegar Mon
Lidweep Parker Head M 30 Bailiff Tredegar County Court Sutton Willsher
Mary J(or L?) wife 31 Monmouthshire
Albert S son 9 London

then
1891
5 Old Row Newport Mon
Sydney Parker Head M 40 Engine Driver Sutton Valley? Wilts
Mary J wife 40 Tintern Mon
Albert S son 19 coal miner Tredegar Mon
Ernest T son 9 Tredegar Mon
Henry R son 7 Abercarne  Mon
Mabel daughter 5 Abercarne Mon
Louisa daughter 3 Abercarne Mon
Stanley Son 1 Heulls?(possibly  Stanley Howell Parker b 1890 died 1898?)
RG12 4379 131 7

1901
Llannhangel Mon
Two? Trees Cottages
Sidney Parker Head M 50 Iron worker Sutton bury? Wilts
Mary Jane wife 51 Tintern Abycynon
Ernest T? son 19 Miner Tredegar Mon
Henry R son 17 Mon
Mabel daughter 15 Tredegar Mon
Edward J? son 17 Henliss
RG13 4966 24 4

Suz
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: suzard on Friday 18 April 14 15:22 BST (UK)
can find Sidney Parker in 1851/61 but not 1871

This looks like David Howell in 1841
Trelleck Grange Mon
Edward Howell 60 Farmer
Ann 60
Edward 35 Painter
David 25 Plasterer
Susannah 20
all b in county
HO107 747 26 7 7

can't find a marriage for Mary Jane and Sidney _ she gave some of the children Howell as a middle name

a puzzle???

Suz
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: jan57 on Friday 18 April 14 16:12 BST (UK)
 her  occupation  is a   Refreshment  House   Keeper,  ( I   enlarged  he  image  and could make  out the first  word ,   )

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[/Eliza is a widow by 1891, living in what looks like the same place, she has an indecipherable occupation.
RG12/4336/93/15quote]
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 18 April 14 22:46 BST (UK)
Welsh Newspapers Online has a staff wanted ad for the establishment at Howell's Cottage, Tintern from 1894

http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/page/view/3241647/ART3/howells%20cottage

Interestingly it says "apply to Jones.."
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 18 April 14 22:58 BST (UK)
Think this is an inetresting 1871 census entry in Oxford St, London

William Sissen    34 - coffee house keeper
Caroline Sissen    36
Emma Sissen    3
Charles Goodger    31
John Tine Ram    24
Joseph G Brittle    24
Sidney Parker    40  <<< porter, b Sutton, Surrey, unmarried
William Fend    30
Mary J Howells    21  <<< servant, b Tintern Abbey, unmarried
Edwin Cowher    36
   
RG10, 92, 15, 22

Now on the image Sidney's age is 40 and birthplace Sutton, Surrey. The latter could be an assumption for Sutton (Veny), Wilts  but the age? still an interesting coincidence, given Albert's place of birth on the 1881 census
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Friday 18 April 14 23:03 BST (UK)
Think it must be them - that census is in the St George's Hanover Sq district

Marriages Q4 1871
St George Hanover Square,  Vol 1a, p480

Mary Jane Howells   <<<
Sarah Lambourne
Sidney Parker   <<<
Frederick Henry Williams
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: hunkyhywel on Friday 18 April 14 23:27 BST (UK)
ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE GENIUSES!
Thank you all so much!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: hunkyhywel on Friday 18 April 14 23:47 BST (UK)
Some of you may find this rewarding. I have a photo of Louisa Harriett Parker, she was born in October 1887 to Mary Jane and Sidney. This was taken on her wedding day in April 1909. She is my great grandmother.
Title: Re: Help me find the Howel family in the census PLEASE!?!?
Post by: Ruskie on Saturday 19 April 14 00:15 BST (UK)
Wonderful to see the photograph, thanks for posting! She looks lovely.