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Another puzzle from this main line:
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1864 Marriages in the Parish of High Church in the Burgh of Paisley
No. 93 - 1864 On the Fourteenth Day of October at 57 Broomlands Street Paisley
After Banns according to the forms of the United Presbyterian Church
Signed Adam McNaughton Teacher of English Bachelor - 25 - Kerraithill / Ferraishill ? Bothwell - Adam McNaughton Carpenter Elizabeth McNaughton M.S. McLean -
Signed Catherine Blackley - Spinster - 24 - Karraithill / Ferraishill ? Bothwell - John Blackley (Deceased) Isabella Blackley M.S. McGuire -
Signed R. P. ? Brown Minister
Signed Wm. McNaughton Witness, Ann Blackley Witness
1864 October 16th at Paisley Denis ? Hearn ? Registrar
1871
Registration Number: 573
Registration District: Paisley
Civil Parish: Paisley High Church
County: Renfrew
Household Schedule number: 10
Address: 57 Broomlands Street
Isabella Blackley Head W 67 Ireland
Mary Blackley daur unmar 34 Mill worker Ireland
Catherine Mcnaughton daur Mar 31 Mill worker Ireland
Ann Bechett daur Mar 24 Mill worker Renfrewshire Paisley
Isabella Blackley Gr Daur 11 England
Jessie Blackley Gr Daur 9 Scholar England
James Bechett Gr Son 3 Lanark Glasgow
Sarah Bechett Gr Daur 1 Lanark Glasgow
James Gibson Lodger unmar 22 Fire clay worker Kirkinteluch near Glasgow
1881
Civil Parish: Paisley High Church
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 23 Broomlands Street
Catherine McNaugton Head 60 ? Dressmaker Ireland [Mary is abt 5 years older]
Isabella Blackley mother 78 Ireland
Mary Blackley sister dau 48 ? Mill worker Ireland
Thomas Blackley nephew 26 Coal merchant England
Archibald Brackley nephew 20 Servant general England
Jessie Brackley niece 19 Millworker England
1891
Registration Number: 573
Registration District: Paisley
Civil Parish: Paisley High Church
County: Renfrewshire
ED: 24
Household schedule number: 52
Roll: CSSCT1891_189
Address: 23 Broomland St
Katarine McNaught Head 49 ? Dress Maker Ireland
Mary Blackley sister 38 ? Thread mill worker Ireland
Mary Blackley mother 90 Ireland [Isabella]
Archibald Blackley nephew 30 Cook England
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1915 DEATHS in the District of Johnstone & Elderslie in the County of Renfrew
No. 227 - Catherine Jack Widow
1st of Adam McNaughton Schoolteacher
2nd of William Jack General Merchant
1915 November Twenty-third 0h 55m P.M. Kuranda Roundhill Drive Elderslie - F- 78 years - John Blackley Master Mason (deceased) - Isabella Blackley M.S. MacGuire (deceased) - Carcinoma ... as cert. by Thomas Watt M.B. - A. B. Lang Grand-nephew - 1915 November 25th At Johnstone Wm. G. Fleming Registrar
Catherine's age is all over the place in the census. Mary is about 5 years older. Catherine not yet found in 1901. Marriage to William JACK not found. What happened to Adam is not clear. The right William has not been found.
Help appreciated.
Fred
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Just for background, guess this is Adam in 1861 before his marriage?
Anne Naismith 52 b. Dalkeith, Edinburgh
Alexander Naismith 24
Elisabeth Naismith 16
Andrew Naismith 10
Margaret Naismith 7
Adam Mcnaughton 22 lodger Parochial Teacher b. Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Janet Mcnaughton 17 sister b. Kilmarnock, Ayrshire
Address: Hamilton Road, Bothwell/Holytown
Monica
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Hi Monica and Fred,
That's a good find on the 1861 - Adam McNaughton is on the 1851 aged 12 at Old Machar, Aberdeenshire with his family - his father is a William McNaughton a Manager of Carpet Work born Dundonald Ayrshire. His mother is an Elizabeth. This doesn't quite fit with his marriage cert ???
Looby :)
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Looks like his mother was an Elizabeth McLean. There is a birth of a daughter Flora in Old Machar 6th Oct 1855 to a William McNaughton and Elizabeth McLean - https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XYT3-B7J
I had no joy finding a death for Adam on SP.
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That all looks good to me, Looby :)
Regarding Adam's father William, Carpet v. Carpenter....we would need to look at the originals but likely right entry you have in the census. Maybe writing on the marriage cert was hard to read?
To connect back to the marriage cert and details from there. Wonder if we can find Adam and his sister (from 1861) in Janet in the earlier censuses?
Fred, does not look like Catherine and Adam ever showed up on a census together or had any children either? Maybe he ran off... Can't see a SP death for him. If you have any original censuses for Catherine around this time, did she show as married or widowed?
Monica
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To connect back to the marriage cert and details from there. Wonder if we can find Adam and his sister (from 1861) in Janet in the earlier censuses?
Looby, this must be the entry you mentioned earlier with all the names we have so far, from 1851:
William Mcnaughton 39
Elizabeth Mcnaughton 38 manager of carpet work b. Dundonald, ayr
Sophia Mcnaughton 17 Kilmarnock, Ayre
Adam Mcnaughton 12 Kilmarnock, Ayre
William Mcnaughton 10 Kilmarnock, Ayre...likely witness to 1864 marriage?
Janet Mcnaughton 7 b. Kilmarnock, Ayre
James Mcnaughton 3
Elizabeth Mcnaughton 1
Primrose Mckinzie 18 servant
Address: 35 Whitehouse Street, Old Marchar, Aberdeenshire
I do think this is Adam's family...but he seems to be truly AWOL :-\
Monica
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Hi all,
Yes Monica that is the Cemsus I looked at.
The family are on the 1841 Census at Kilmarnock as McNaught.
Kilmarnock was quite well known during this era for carpet manufacturing so it makes sense that his father could be involved in this work.
I also wondered about Catherine's marital status. I haven't found a death either for Adam. Wonder where he got to??
Looby :)
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Thanks for looking Monica and Looby.
Re the marriage and occupation for William - Carpet Weaver :)
There are some bits I can't read so I will crop a bit and post it.
Parents
William McNaughton & Elizabeth McLean
Marriage 6 Jul 1832 Kilmarnock, Ayr
That looks to be the family as McNAUGHT in Wellbeck street in1841 and Whitehouse street in 1851.
I have not found any children. It seems they divorced but don't know when. This is probably Adam:
Adam McNaughton
Residence Year: 1898
Street address: 31 River N
Residence Place: Norwalk, Connecticut
Occupation: Employee
Publication Title: Norwalk, Connecticut, City Directory, 1898
[Image says his employer is N & F Worsted Mills]
He is 'married' to a Sarah born England but the marriage has not yet been found.
I have the image of 1871 and Catherine is listed as Married. I don't have later images. I'm not too interested in following Adam in USA.
Fred
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I'm hoping to fill the gaps with Catherine:
1901 census and marriage to William JACK. So strange because sister Sarah married a William JACK:
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1861 Marriages in the Parish of High Church in the Burgh of Paisley
No. 73 1861 August Eighth 54 Wellmeadow Street Paisley After Banns according to the forms of the Congregationalists
[signed] William Jack Grocer Bachelor - 26 - 33 George Street Paisley - Alexander Jack Weaver (deceased) Isabella Jack M.S. Graham (deceased)
[signed] Sarah Blackley Mill Worker Spinster - 21 - 57 Broomlands Street Paisley - John Blackley Mason Isabella Blackley M.S. McGuire
[signed] John H. Lochore ? Minister of the Tabernach, Paisley
[signed] Robert Young, Witness, [signed] Mary Blackley, Witness
1861 August 13th ? at Paisley John Mitchyers ? Assistant Registrar
I can't read some of it so again I will crop a bit and post it.
From Plymouth March 1865 'Lobelia' arrived Brisbane 2nd July 1865
JACK William 29
JACK Sarah 26
JACK Isabella 2
JACK Janet 1
Death at sea 12 Apr 1865/M0127 Jack Sarah - John Blakely - Isabella - born Scotland aged 26
Death 18 May 1910/C0564 Jack William - born Scotland aged 76
Inscription for William Jack
Cemetery: Cairns Pioneer
Family Name: Jack
Given Names: William
Birth Date:
Death Date: 1910
Age: 76y
Remarks: b. Paisley Scot; parents unk
Portion:
Row:
Fred
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Hi Fred,
I'm not sure but I don't think Adam McNaughton and Catherine Blackley would have been officially divorced. Divorce would be rare in Scotland in the 1860s especially among the ordinary folks/working class.
Most likely Adam just disappeared, or perhaps had gone ahead to USA to establish a job and somewhere to live and for some reason Catherine never followed.
Re. Sarah Blackley/ Jack - your info from Passenger Lists is that she died en route to Brisbane? Did I read that correctly? But her husband settled in Australia - he is not the William Jack Catherine married?
Looby :)
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Hello Looby,
Yes divorce would be rare but see the note in the left margin of the 1864 marriage:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=684952.0
Yes, Sarah died on the way to Australia just prior to arrival hence a M= Marine registration in Queensland records. Yes, William settled in Queensland and remarried to a Maria JOHNS in Queensland in 1878. I have nothing yet on William in Queensland between his arrival and his second marriage. Lots of references to him after 1878. I don't know if he returned to Scotland between those dates or not.
Coincidence a William JACK is listed on Catherine's death certificate. All I have for that one so far is the name and occupation as General merchant.
I have Catherine's mother with a 2nd spouse listed on her death certificate and now another one where the second marriage can't be found. Elsewhere in my tree I have a third such instance. I'm aware that it's possible the second marriage could be in the maiden name just as widows sometimes revert to maiden name in census. Am I missing some detail re marriage of widows in Scotland? Say no registration permitted for the second marriage because no death can be shown for the first husband?
Fred
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Hi Fred,
Well, I stand corrected, Catherine was obviously a modern woman ;) Divorced in 188? (could that be a faint 4?).
I can't see a marriage to a Willam Jack either. Strange he is a General Merchant - thinking of General Store/ Grocery- when her brother-in-law was a Grocer.
There is a Catherine McNaughton aged 73 on the 1911 Census in Paisley . Have you ruled her out?
Looby :)
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Fred - I would have thought there should be a registration for 2nd marriages. There always has been with any of mine - even third time round :D.
If Catherine was divorced in the 1880s then remarried I would expect her maiden name to have been used. Widows marry with their maiden name but their previous marital status/ married name is alluded to on the cert. I would imagine the same with divorcees.
Perhaps the couple were not married.
William has died prior to 1915. Maybe it would be worth finding his death? Of course we don't know his age but he might not be too hard to find.
Looby :)
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Hi both :)
Divorce was unusual for these times...but cheaper in Scotland than England! Wonder how this was all arranged? See notes here www.gla.ac.uk/schools/socialpolitical/research/economicsocialhistory/historymedicine/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/divorce/
Sometimes the NAS catalogue shows divorce actions, but couldn't easily see any with the names we have www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/
Fred, if this was your original cert, you could contact SP for an enhanced image around the seal for the divorce date. See www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=1210
Monica
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Hello Looby,
I've had no luck yet finding a second William JACK. The one who married Sarah has not been found in 1861 yet.
The 1871 is the only census for Catherine I have the image of so far but is seems she continued to use her married name. If there was a second marriage then it should be between 2 April 1911 and November 1915.
It's probably a date in that divorce stamp so in the 1880s but Catherine has not reverted to using her maiden name.
Fred
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Hello Monica,
Thanks for the links. I've never used NAS before. :)
I will ask SP for an enhanced image of that part of the certificate.
I'll do more searching for 2x William.
Fred
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Hi Fred,
I think this is the William Jack who married Sarah Blackley and who emigrated to Australia on the 1841 Census-
His address 17 Castle Street, Paisley
Jack Alexander M 45 Cotton Hand Loom Weaver
Jack Isabella F 45
Jack Alexander M 14 Drawboy
Jack John M 12 Drawboy
Jack Grahame M 8
Jack William M 6
Laird Alexander M Unknown Drawboy
Jack James M 10 Drawboy
All born in Renfrewshire.
Couldn't find a birth on Familysearch for William but there is or Alexander , John and James.
Here is Alexander's https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VQH1-CBY
Looby :)
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Thanks Looby.
Yes, no reg for the youngest two.
Alexander senior must have died between 1841 and 1851.
I think John's middle name is Lymburn. I've had to luck tracing him or Alex junior or Grahame so far.
James JACK & Martha MORRISON
Marriage: 10 March 1863 Bridgeton, Lanark
James has middle name Graham according to his death reg in Queensland in 1889. I have not found their arrival yet.
DEATHS
JACK.-On the 7th April, at his residence, Watsonville, North Queensland, James Graham Jack, in his 60th year.
I'm going through the newspapers to see what else I can find on the JACK family.
Fred
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Fred,
There is an Alexander Jack lodging at 1 Neilston Street Paisley on the 1851.
He is 26 and a Hand Loom Weaver born in Paisley.
His landlady is a Margaret Buchanan age 52 widow. One other lodger Agnes Parkhill age 52 a Washerwoman from Ayr.
Haven't turned up William or Grahame yet.
Looby
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Thanks Looby.
I'm wondering if this is the right Alexander. How common is the name? One trouble with census is that long given names get abbreviated.
Alexander Jack & Agnes Campbell
Marriage: 15 Dec 1843 High Church Paisley
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Hi Fred,
You could be right - there is another Alexander Jack age 15 on the 1841 who is living in the household of a family called Wilson :-\. He could well be the lodger on the 1851.
Equally there is also a William Jack aged 18 on the 1851 Census who is the son of Peter and Helen Jack and the males are all Grocers !
Looby :)
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The name is a lot more common than I initially thought. Now I've found some early records with the name as JAK.
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Hi Fred,
Have you located Catherine on the 1901 and 1911 Census yet?
I think you need to find her on them to establish if she was remarried or living with a "bidey-in" or it could be the grand nephew who registered the death got muddled.
Looby :)
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Hello Looby,
I only have a few credits left so I'm reluctant to spend 12. I might just get the image of 1911. The results from an index search of SP in 1901 don't match what has been found.
1901 At 158 Parliamentary Road St Rollox Catherine aged 56 with five others aged from 26 to 5. That can't be my Catherine.
Catherine McNaughton in 1901:
Age 59 Govan - hit on SP but not found
Age 56 St Rollox - no hit on SP but the one above with household of 6
Age 54 St Rollox - hit on SP but not found.
Fred
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1911
Registration Number: 573
Civil Parish: Paisley Third
County: Renfrew
Household Schedule No: 103
Address: 36 George St
Catherine McNaughton Head 73 S Laundress Argyleshire Campbelltown
Margaret Sister 75 S Laundress Argyleshire Campbelltown
2 other households at that address
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This can't be my Catherine either:
1901
Registration Number: 644/3
Registration District: Dennistoun
Civil Parish: Glasgow Springburn
County: Lanarkshire
ED: 120
Household Schedule number:10
Roll: CSSCT1901_279
Address: 16 Reid St
Catherine Jack Head 59 French Polisher Ireland
John Jack son 21 House Painter Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Jessie Jack grandaughter 9 Scholar Glasgow, Lanarkshire
John Lynburn boarder 21 Railway Engine Maker Boiler Maker Glasgow, Lanarkshire