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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: odbsmith on Thursday 24 April 14 16:15 BST (UK)
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HELP, I am seeing census in my sleep!
I am trying to find Silas Caddick born Wolverhampton 1843. I can find a birth, (not sent for cert yet) and 1871, 1881, 1901, 1911 census. cannot find earlier census or marriage to Elizabeth.
In one of his childrens baptism he was listed as Cyrus Caddick, so have tried that and have tried phonetic and other searches. Anyone know of Silas ?
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Hi
There's a family tree which has his marriage Sep 1860 Wolverhampton but none of the brides appear to be called Elizabeth.
The same tree also has 2 children born before 1860 so something wrong there :-\
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Was first child born 1858 Almelia? That might help track down 1861.
No he would be too young wouldn't he to be her father?
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Have you looked at familysearch.org? There's a few silas caddick's mentioned there. The only marriage to an Elizabeth is a 1799 one surname Oakley 31 jan. May be on the tree the info's been muddled. They seem to be around the Bilston area, some just say wolvo .
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From an Ancestry tree Almelia is the first born but I have nothing on her until 1881 census.
Sarah is my husbands 2nd great grandfather and I know from the banns (Ancestry) her father was Silas Caddick Locksmith. there is another Silas about 10 years older from Bilston Staffordshire who was married to Mary ann.
I cannot find a marriage for a Silas and Elizabeth.
I cannot find any of the family in 1861.
I can find three younger children on Wolverhampton parish records. on one baptism record silas is named as cyrus. I couldn't find anything useful at Family search.
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I think you are going to have to give in and buy the birth certificate I have spent a couple of hours looking but there is nothing coming up also the Silas born 1859 on the 1881 census doesn't show up anywhere else. There is one born 1859 in Wolverhampton (parents Thomas and Sarah) but he died in 1877
Willow x
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It's a bit strange with the oldest children as parents would have been very young. Plus they aren't with parents in 1871. And I don't see a birth for an Almelia or an Amelia so ???
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I have tried everything I can think of I suspect that Silas and Amelia might be Elizabeth's children and they are registered under her maiden name
Willow x
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Yes I wondered that too but would still make her a very young parent.
I must say the 1871 census looks more normal with parents in their 20's and 3 young children. Adding these older children on in 1881 just doesn't make sense :-\
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I agree I think they are probably siblings of either Silas or Elizabeth I think really we are going to need Sarah's birth certificate too to give us Elizabeths maiden name. I suspect Silas may have been either illigitimate and is on the 51 & 61 under another surname (though I have tried every combination I can think of!) or he was called something else other than Silas
Funny thing is a Silas Caddick married one of my relations but he was born 1878 Wolverhampton
Willow x
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My Silas Caddick married Annie Maud Hoggins and the funny thing is her mothers name was Mary Ann Caddick but I do know her father was Daniel and no there is no Silas
Willow x
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I've sent for Sarah's birth cert.
But if anyone out there thinks of anything , please say!!
thanks for your help everyone!
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Let us know what it says when you get it
Willow x
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Hi Willow, well that cert doesn't help at all!!!
Silas Caddick was def given as father on marriage cert.
This birth cert gives parents as David Caddick and Martha Caddick formally Heighway. Back to the drawing board!
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Very strange!
I will keep looking
Willow x
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Right!
I suspect Silas is illigitimate his mother has obviously registered him in his fathers name. The Heighway name seems to come mainly from the Shropshire area. There is a marriage of a Martha Heighway to a David Caddick 29.9.1861 at Half Moon Dunkinfield Cheshire her fathers name is Thomas his is Silas but looking on the census she was born 1842 so there is no way she is your Silas's mother
She is born Coalport Shropshire and ends up living in Bilston
And guess what Silas the father of David also has a son Daniel b c1824
Daniel married Betsey Wilkinson st Martin Tipton 1843
What address and fathers occupation did it give on the birth certificate?
Willow x
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David Caddick is given as Butcher (Master)
Address is 62 Church street, Bilston, Wolverhampton
I've had such a busy day I've only sat down properly just now, so I'm going back to study the tree now. thanks for your ideas.
regards Debbie
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Ignore some of that I put I was thinking you had ordered Silas's certificate for some reason
Did you order the 1864 or the 1865 birth certificate for Sarah? The one with parents David and Martha was baptised 1.1.1865 at St Leonards which would tie in with the 1864 birth
The 1865 should be for the Sarah with the parents Silas and Elizabeth
Also the Silas Caddick on the 1881 census with them is the child of a Thomas and Sarah Caddick he died 1882 in Birmingham. Thomas's father is the Silas born 1800 in Bilston
Willow x
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Hi, not at home - away for a funeral and not back till next Tuesday and don't have cert with me, so once I'm back will let you Know. regards Debbie
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Ok I suspect that Silas is a son of the Silas born c1800 but have yet to prove this and the Silas on the 1881 census is his nephew not son as stated
Unfortunately I think the only way you are going to crack this is by buying the 1865 certificate for Sarah and the 1843 one for Silas
Speak when you get back
Willow x
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Hi Willow, now back at home -- yes it was the 1864 cert. will order others soon, but not today -- unpacking to do and several items of junk, sorry -- family heirlooms -- that I couldn't get out of the house without!! Consolidated a few family " tales"! and came home with stiff neck due to strange bed!! regards Debbie
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Ok will catch up later
Willow x
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Have ordered the 1865 cert for Sarah and the one for Silas, hope they will be positive!
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Cant wait! ;D
its really bugging me now tried everything I can think of to locate Silas in earlier census
Willow x
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Me too, also Almelia, Silas and Jesse who appear on 1881 census.
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Yipee they have arrived!!
Sarah born 13th july 1865 father Silas Caddick, mother Elizabeth, formally Walker, Grove street, Wolverhampton East. father was Journeyman cabinet locksmith.
Silas born 24 july 1843 father Isaac Caddick, mother Sarah, formally Fellows, Princess Alley or street, Wolverhampton East. Father was Varnish maker.
will have proper search later , but at present still struggling to find Silas on census!!
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Well I have found one of his brothers but having no joy with the census at the moment
18.7.1870 St Marks Wolverhampton Edward Caddock 25 bachelor cabinet maker of Bennetts Fold father Isaac Craddock varnish maker to Elizabeth Bayliss 23 of Bennetts Fold father Thomas Bayliss witnesses Elizabeth and James Walker brides father deceased (Elizabeth Walker might be the wife of Silas)
The only Isaac married to Sarah living in Wolverhampton in 1851 was born 1798 and Sarah was born 1800 which would make Silas a late baby but they do have a son called Edward aged 4 which would fit with the above information but he would have been born when Sarah was 46/7! I wonder if her age is wrong? They have a son called David aged 6 - could this be Silas?
HO107/2018/583/15
Willow x
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Pretty sure this is the right family because there is a marriage of Isaac Caddick aged 27 in 1867 at St Lukes with father Isaac who is a varnish maker and is on the 1871 census I mentioned
Willow x
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Yes thats the family I have found them in 1841 in Princess Alley although for some reason Isaac snr isnt listed with them and Isaac jnr is just 5 months old which is how I found them. Their oldest child is Sarah aged 17
Princess Alley still exists its round the corner from where I work
Willow x
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Isaac died 1874 on the 1871 he is Wolverhampton Workhouse and 1861 he is a lodger in Poultneys Fold (dont think this one still exists) Sarah died sometime between 1851 and 1861
Willow x
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Burial 25.2.1858 St John W-ton Sarah Caddick aged 62 of Pettit Street
Willow x
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Interesting!
baptism 4.8.1843 St Peters W-ton Isaiah Caddock son of Isaac and Sarah varnish maker of Princes Street
Willow x
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We must be on same wavelength -- I used google map to find Princess street / alley earlier and I've viewed
http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes ---
Wolverhampton St Peter's Baptisms 1813-1875 A-Ed and found the baptism for Isaiah
so why has he been baptised Isaiah and registered as Silas? ???
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I have found a Marriage ( the only one I can find on line) for Isaac Caddick and Sarah Fellows in Liverpool in November 1821 and in the 1841 census an Isaac Caddick and a Silas Caddick ( a Japanner and Varnish maker) in Cheapside Liverpool. will see if I can find Sarah living on her own .
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Sarah is listed above in 1841
marriage 5.11.1821 St Peter Liverpool Isaac Caddick Japanner parish of Liverpool to Sarah Fellows spinster of the same parish witnesses William Brooks and Thomas Kendrick (off Lancashire Online Parish Clerks)
Willow x
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And on the 1841 census Isaac and Silas appear to be living with a William Kendrick,
aged 15 labourer.
Sarah at Princess alley
Sarah Caddick 41
Ann Caddick 10
William Caddick 6
Sarah Caddick 17
Isaac Caddick 5 Mo
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I have just realised I cant find Isaac jnr on any of the census besides the 41/51
Willow x
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Just realised I cant find Edward either in the 1861
Willow x
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Hi Willow Isaac jnr was on the 1841 census I posted yesterday
1851 they are listed as Baddick
Isaac Baddick 53
Sarah Baddick 51
William Baddick 27
Isaac Baddick 9
David Baddick 6
Edward Baddick 4
Bilston, Staffordshire, England
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Still having no joy with the 1861 census
I am positive that the David on the 1851 is Silas/Isaiah - maybe they couldnt spell it
Willow x
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Update
My contact with someone in US has not borne fruit yet, but will update if I get news
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Hi
I've stumbled across this old thread but realised it's my family. Did you sort out the family connections?
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Hi, no not completely!!
However I probably "re- visit" it sometime soon.
Do you have any information or thoughts?
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Can you update me with what you know now?
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When I have time to review it..... and update it anything new has turned up.... I will let you know! Its been a while since I have re assessed this part of the tree!! regards Debbie