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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: moiramount on Wednesday 30 April 14 11:30 BST (UK)
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looking for the marriage of william wilkinson to elizabeth ? possibly east retford or could be lincolnshire. William was born east retford c1845 ? Elizabeth, Lincoln. c1851? Any info greatly recieved.
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Hi,
There's this one 16 Feb 1874 East Retford Church William Wilkinson and Elizabeth Smith.
Do you know who William's father was as I can check the marriage for you when I'm next in nottingham archives sometime over the next few weeks.
NG
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Where and when was first child born?
Also, you give Elizabeths year of birth as c1851, but are seeking marriage c1865 - when only 14????
Have you got the couple on any census?
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Previous relevant thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=685551.msg5297812#msg5297812
Kay
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OK so moiramount has 2 threads on same family! On the other thread she has elizabeth born abt 1840 and on this 1851 I'm a little confused now!
Anyway here's some christenings at East Retford of possible children, William is down as a Labourer on all of them:
28 March 1874 Sarah & James William abode has Horse & Jockey Yard,
all the rest abode is Canal St
15 March 1875 Eliza Ann
13 Sept 1877 George Thomas buried 11 April 1879 aged 18mths abode Canal Row
5 May 1881 Fergus William
8 July 1883 Thomas
18 Feb 1886 George
2 Jan 1890 Elizabeth buried 22 Dec 1890 aged 13mths abode Canal Row
29 Nov 1894 Alice Mary
NG
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Hi again,
not sure which thread to post this on but as I've already replied on this one I'll continue on here:
1881 census: Piece 3302, folio 109, Pg 26
2 Canal Row East Retford
William Wilkinson aged 34yrs born Grove Nottinghamshire
Elizabeth wife born 32 born Tuxford Nottinghamshire (making her born 1849)
Sarah daughter 10yrs East Retford
Janet daughter 7yrs East Retford
Eliza 5yrs East Retford
Walter 1yr East Retford
NG
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hi everyone, on the 1891 census elizabeth states she is 40 and william 46, then on the 1901 census she is only 45 when actually she should be 50 ten years on. Sorry to be confusing to you all.
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Hi NG - in the other thread [see Kay's post] where I posted a possible 1871 census where there was a daughter Margaret aged 4 mo, the OP stated their children are
in the 1891 they are in East Retford on Canal Row with their sons James , William, Thomas and George. ???
The 1871 William had a sister Alice, which could help to distinguish 2 families.
Is it me who is confused? ;D. There did seem to be several Wilkinson families in Canal Row & Sutton Row.
ADDED: AH yes, it IS me - I see from the baptisms you gave that William, Thomas & George were born post 1881. Sorry :-[ Presumably Walter died.
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It has had me confused as well, with children appearing with different names. I wonder whether Janet in 1881 was actually misheard and was James Wilkinson in 1891.
I tried to check by looking back at William and his sister Alice pre 1871 but couldn't find anything!!
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There's this one 16 Feb 1874 East Retford Church William Wilkinson and Elizabeth Smith.
I thought that maybe all the children whose christenings I had posted were the children of the above marriage, but as you already have William and Elizabeth as married on the 1871 census maybe those above are not who you are looking for.
I'm still confused and will see what I can find out when I'm next in the archives.
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Hi,
I think that Walter could be William (Fegus William christened 5 May 1881) and as you say Janet could be James.
And I also wonder if William and Elizabeth were not really married on 1871 census.
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I thought that it was possible they just hadn't married by 1871. They were living with William's sister who was also unmarried with a child.
Maybe a child's birth cert would be the best way to confirm Elizabeth's maiden name
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Yes I agree that would be the best thing to do.
Margaret aged 4mths on 1971 census is also a mystery cannot find a birth for 1870/71 or a christening and the only birth is sept 1866 Margraret H Wilkinson East Retford Vol page 10.
Maybe the 4 mths should be 4 yrs?
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I thought Margaret could have registered as Female Wilkinson in March 1871 and by 1881 they had renamed her as Sarah??
Edit - I wonder if the children were only christened after the couple married
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I didn't see that one, yes and she was christened sarah in 1874.
I think you are right abt the christenings after marriage. It all makes sense now.
think we cracked it.
Well I'm off now, will post again when been to archives.
bye for now
NG
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Hi nottsgirl, I checked Elizabeth smith out and she was born in retford, Williams wife was born in Lincoln according to the census, thanks for looking.
Moira
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Hi Moria,
Just to clear things up, how do you know Elizabeth Smith was born in East Retford, according to 1881 census she was born Tuxford which comes under East Retford Reg District and also Tuxford and East Retford are very close to Lincolnshire. Also apart from place of birth for her (which can be sometimes wrong on census) all the census tie up with children that I gave christenings for.
We think it would be best to get one of the children's birth certificate to be sure of mother's surname.
I wouldn't be so quick to rule out the marriage I gave until then.
NG
P.S this is only my advice it is of cause up to you.
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Hi Moria,
Sorry I've checked the marriage of William Wilkinson and Elizabeth Smith and your are right don't think its the one you want. William is down aged 25yrs a pipe-maker son of Stephen Wilkinson and Elizabeth is 21yrs daughter of James Smith.
I do however still think that the 1881 census and christenings of Children that I posted are still your William & Elizabeth.
NG
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Just to add my pennorth ;D
Baptism Tuxford
10-3-1851 Elizabeth dau of James Smith ,notes, mothers name unreadable. Fathers prof. Gipsy.
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Hi larkspur and all who replied on this topic, after a conversation with my sister yesterday its possible that the Elizabeth Smith from Tuxford could be the right one as my sister heard through her husbands family years ago that they came originally from Ireland and had something to do with horses. Elizabeth's father is down as a gypsy so this could be them.
Moira
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Hi Moira,
Yes I think that the marriage I gave you and the details that has been given on Elizabeth Smith is also right it all ties in with what you have already been given.
NG
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Have you checked the 1851 census for Tuxford? There are no other children baptised to James Smith there. But you may get lucky, as Elizabeth was baptised 10th March and the census was taken on the night of 30th March.