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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Dalet on Monday 05 May 14 13:24 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
Can someone tell me where the "Ashmore", which arrived in South Australia 2nd October 1884 originated from?
I have Sydney Lamb (born 1857 Adelaide), his wife Emily Jeffrey (born c 1855), and their children Edith, Emily, and Ethel. Another daughter Adelaide Ashmore was born Aug 1884 aboard "Ashmore" .
Cant find a marriage or birth of children anywhere
Any ideas and/or help appreciated
Dale
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ASHMORE sailed from London Dock around 1/July/1884 called at Plymouth on the 3/July/1884 before sailing to Adelaide.
ASHMORE official number 76946 some details here.
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/viewimages.php?regtype=MNL&year=1880&name=ASHMORE&page=178&imagesource=CLIP%C2%A0images
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C10099994
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http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/35968563
The South Australian Advertiser 2 Oct 1884
ASHMORE, barque, 1.099 tons. James Whitmore, from London July 1, Plymouth July 8. Elder, Smith and Co., agents. Passengers—Dr. Mitchleson, surgeon superintendent, in the cabin, and 389 in the steerage.
IMMIGRANTS PER ASHMORE.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/43804640
ARRIVAL OF THE ASHMORE.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/43809819
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/8434885 (1st column left hand side, 1/3 way down)
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Hi Dalet
Your Sydney Lamb was not the Sydney LAMB born in Adelaide.
News (Adelaide, SA : 1923 - 1954) Saturday 4 December 1926
LATE MR. SYDNEY LAMB
Well Known in Meat Trade
The late Mr. Sydney Lamb was a popular member of the meat trade. He possessed a fine physique and a genial disposition.
Born in Burnham, Buckinghamshire, England, 74 years ago, he started as a master butcher at 23 years of age in Finchley. After about six years he sold out and arrived in South Australia in October, 1884. Opening business in Jamestown he conducted it successfully for 14 years. He then sold out and came to Adelaide and was in business for many years at Hilton, and latterly at Kapunda terrace, Payneham.
He was an expert slaughterman and in the export season for lambs was invariably engaged as foreman over the slaughtering. He had many references regarding his ability in the export trade.
Mr. Lamb left a widow, Mrs. Emily Ann Lamb. of Payneham,. 12 daughters, one son, and five grandchildren.
Births Dec Q1852
LAMB Sydney Eton 3a 340
Burnham in the Eton district in County of Buckinghamshire
Marriages Jun Q1876
JEFFERY Emily Ann
LAMB Sidney
Langport 5c 617
Essie
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IMMIGRANTS PER ASHMORE (1884 http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/43804640)
Lamb, Sydney (butcher), Emily A., Clarissa, Janet, Edith, Emily;
BDM SA: children of Sydney LAMB and Emily Ann JEFFERY/JEFFREY
1884 337/296 Adelaide Ashmore; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFERY; District - Clare
1886 375/188 Florence Isabel; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFERY; District - Clare
1888 410/414 Constance; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFERY; District - Clare
1889 446/333 Sydney Robert; Father. - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily JEFFERY; District - Clare
1891 483/325 Precilla Maud; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFREY; District - Clare
1893 522/207 Kathleen Gertrude; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFERY; District - Clare
1895 560/39 James Jeffery; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFERY; District - Clare
1898 616/233 Lavenia Beryl; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFERY; District - Clare
1899 637/314 Leta Bertha; Father - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily Ann JEFFERY; District - Hindmarsh
cheers :)
cupoflife
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Hi Dale :)
From Biographical Index of South Australians - not always accurate. This appears to be submitted information.
LAMB Sidney born c1853 died 19 Nov 1926 Buried Payneham SA
Arrived 1884 ASHMORE
Married Emily A born c1855 died 21 Aug 1948
Children
Clarissa c1877-, Janet A c1879-, Edith c1880-, Emily W c1881-, Ethel J c1882-1973, Adelaide Ashmore 1884-1928, Florence Isabel 1886-1974, Constance 1888-1975, Kathleen Gertrude 1893-1964.
Shipping records at State Library of SA
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SA Records
https://www.archives.sa.gov.au/
Records relating to official assisted immigration - Crown Lands and Immigration Office
Official assisted passage passenger lists
Series Id GRG35/48 Unit 32
1884
LAMBClarissa
LAMB Edith
LAMB Emily A
LAMB Ethel
LAMB Janet
LAMB Sidney
SA BDM indexes but there is often more information on the CD resources.
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
My resource shows that Adelaide Ashmore's place of birth was "Aboard Ashmore".
The next seven births listed by cupoflife were at Jamestown and the last at Croydon.
1889 446/333 Sydney Robert; Father. - Sydney LAMB; Mother - Emily JEFFERY; District - Clare
Death
LAMB Sydney Robert 16 years Status not recorded Relative Sydney LAMB [Father]
15 Mar 1906
Residence Hilton Death Place Hilton Ade 316/297
Buried at West Terrace Cemetery
http://www.aca.sa.gov.au/RecordsSearch.aspx
If you have access to Ancestry, there are 10 trees, some with resources but the spelling errors and incorrect year of death for Sydney indicate some copy and paste not original research.
Headstone at Payneham cemetery which has Sydney on the MI.
http://billiongraves.com/pages/record/SidneyLamb/1947838
Cheers :)
Cando
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Thank you all so very much.
Unfortunately all your information points to the fact that he isnt my relation Sydney Lamb born 1857 in Adelaide.
Again thanks for all your hard work it is most appreciated.
Dale
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Dale who were your Sydney's parents?
Cheers
Cando
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Thrown off track by your mention of the ASHMORE and family
Birth
LAMB Sidney
16 May 1857
Father John LAMB Mother Martha RAILLY
At Adelaide Ade 11/49
Cando
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From BISA
LAMB John born c1814 died 8 Jun1861 buried at Blakiston SA
Arrived c1852 from NSW
Lived Blakiston
Married Martha nee RILEY parents David and Jane nee STEPHENSON
Born c1814 MOG IRL died 26 Sep 1898 Condowie SA
Children Mary Ann PARIS 1841-1941, James 1842-1939, Jane c1844-1871, John c1846-, Wm
1851-1892, David 1852-1855, Rebecca 1853-1932, Sidney 1856-.
LAMB John parents John and Martha nee RILEY
Born 1846 Paramatta NSW
Arrived 1852 from NSW
Lived Streak Bay
Married to unknown Children unknown.
Siblings born SA
LAMB Mary Ann
11 Feb 1849
Father John LAMB Mother Martha RILEY
At Adelaide Ade 2/123
LAMB William
9 Jan 1851
Father John LAMB Mother Martha RILEY
At Adelaide Ade3/159
LAMB David
9 Oct 1853
Father John LAMB Mother Martha REILY
At Adelaide Ade 4/219
LAMB Martha
6 Oct 1854
Father John LAMB Mother: Martha RILEY
At Adelaide Ade 5/49
Cheers
Cando
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Yes Cando,
This is my family.
Mary Ann Lamb married John Paris from Mt Gambier - these are my wife's G G Grandparents.
As you can see Sidney disappears - I thought he had maybe gone interstate or even back top England then returned to SA later married to Emily.
James (1842-1939) and his children went to WA, his first wife died there and he returned to SA to remarry. His children remained in WA.
Would love to know what happened to Sidney - most likely died as an infant and death not registered.
Interestingly on John Lamb (1814-1861) death it has Edward Lamb (PR) as the relative - I dont have any Edwards in this family. There is an Edward died in 1890 in Mt Gambier - could this be a nephew.
Again thanks to all for your help - and if anyone has anything to add to my Lamb family please feel free.
Dale
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Birth
LAMB Sidney
16 May 1857
Father John LAMB Mother Martha RAILLY
At Adelaide Ade 11/49
Death
LAMB Sydney
13 May 1927 70 years Status Single No relative noted
Residence Snowtown Death Place Snowtown Dal 495/283
The Register Friday, May 20, 1927
LAMB. On the 13th May, Sydney Lamb passed away Snowtown Hospital; aged 70 years. Born Angas street, Adelaide, May 11, 1857.
The Advertiser Wednesday, June 1, 1927.
Mr. Sydney Lamb, of Snowtown, who died last week, was born in Angas-street, Adelaide, 70 years ago. He was a pioneer of Snowtown, having lived in the locality before the township was surveyed. He was unmarried. His sister, with whom he lived, survives him
Cando
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I am unable to locate the burial records for Snowtown cemetery but there is a headstone for mother Martha according to the website below. Photo available for a fee.
http://headstones.weebly.com/snowtown-condowie.html
LAMB, Martha
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Cando
These are a couple of major breakthroughs
Greatly appreciated
Dale
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Many Thanks again
The mentioned sister would be Rebecca - I think - who died in 1932. She is listed as living in Snowtown on her death record.
Another sister Martha born 1854 is not listed on the BISA - probably reasonable to assume she died in infancy.
Sadly we drove past Snowtown cemetery last year - didnt even know Martha was buried there.
Thanks Dale
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PM your email address and I'll send you some other info ;)
Cheers
Cando
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TROVE has not functioning well for me at the moment....I can't link the following items as the pages won't load.
Edit...functioning now...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0z50/ Link to report in Advertiser.
South Australian Register Saturday 2 February 1861
LOCAL COURTS. Adelaide:
Friday, February 1. Before Mr. S. Beddome, P.M., J. M. Solomon, J.P., R. B. Colley, J.P., and E. McEllister, J.P.] FULL JURISDICTION (CRIMINAL).
A WOLF IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING.-John Lamb ******* was charged, on the information of Martha Lamb, his wife, with having assaulted....
DESTITUTE BOARD. THURSDAY, MARCH 7.
South Australian Register Friday 8 March 1861 p
........Caroline Honig and Martha Lamb. The following, already in receipt of rations, were ordered to be .....
The South Australian Advertiser Friday 9 August 1861
CRIMINAL
James Zane, of Third Creek, appeared to an information laid by Martha Lamb, of Adelaide with having, on the 19th of July and on other occasions cruelly beat her son, a lad about 12 years of age in defendant's service The defendant acknowledge to have beaten the lad for disobedience to his orders, but not in the manner and to the extent as stated Mr Bee, Relieving Officer, said he had occasion to call on Mrs Lamb in the discharge of his duties, when he was shown the lad, who certainly had some severe bruises about his person, as though occasioned by some whip or stick Fined 2/- and costs
DESTITUTE BOARD. THURSDAY, AUGUST 22.
South Australian Register Friday 23 August 1861
DESTITUTE BOARD. THURSDAY, OCTOBER 9.
South Australian Register Friday 10 October 1862
... Martha Lamb
DESTITUTE BOARD. THURSDAY, OCTOBER 29.
South Australian Register Saturday 31 October 1863
....... and Martha Lamb. New Applicants.- Granted- Harriet Pearce. Elizabeth Corbett, Betsy Phipson, Esther .
The Chronicle 15 Oct 1898
LAMB.—On the 26th September, at Snowtown, from syncope and senile decay, Martha Lamb, aged 85 years, leaving 3 sons, 2 daughters, and 12 grandchildren; a colonist of 58 years. There is no death, what seems so is transition.
Cando
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Interestingly on John Lamb (1814-1861) death it has Edward Lamb (PR) as the relative - I dont have any Edwards in this family. There is an Edward died in 1890 in Mt Gambier - could this be a nephew.
I also wondered about this death as there was a John LAMB, with occupation bailiff who lived at Mt Barker and featured prominently in the press of the day.
Martha was receiving relief from the Destitute Board around this time so how could she afford to have a death notice published. I doubt it is her husband.
I read some time ago that the burial records for this cemetery do not survive...need to re-check.
South Australian Register 14 Jun 1861
LAMB.— On the 6th June, at Blakiston, of consumption, John Lamb, aged 47 years, late of Fowey, Cornwall, England.
Cando
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I have information on the Ashmore ship from 1882.
My great-grandfather was born on the ship and I have a copy of the Surgeon's diary I found hidden in the back of a museum.
It was written by Doctor Knight in 1882 onboard the Ashmore so I know what happened every day, what the sailors were like, the storms they faced.
I also have the crew list and 14 years of other research including photos.
My book ASHMORE is due to be released in August this year (2018).
If you know of anyone who can help me find the ship plans so I know how the cabins are situated that would be awesome.
Or where I could find the Captain or First Mates log books?
Exciting to find other people interested in the same ship.
I have heaps of photos and information on my Facebook group
My Novel idea: https://www.facebook.com/mynovelidea/?ref=bookmarks
and my website: http://kinandkingdoms.com/
Angela
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I take it the vessel is ASHMORE official number 76946.
Try NMM Greenwich, plansandphotos@rmg.co.uk
If you get a negative, try The Mitchell Library Glasgow