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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Cavan => Topic started by: christinethomast on Wednesday 07 May 14 15:57 BST (UK)
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My ancestor, Joseph Ingham, was a Captain under King Wm III and fought in the Battle of Boyne. His brother, William was killed the evening before the battle. He retired to County Caven and married a Kinsellagh? I have recently learned that a paymaster general accts book was discovered in 2009 and was donated to the Orange Order. Irish Family History has reported that the book is currently being filmed and will be available for viewing. I tried to contact the Orange Order but got no response. Does anyone know who is filming the book and how it be made available for viewing?
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8323461.stm
on this site from the BBC photos of the book, they should be able to help you.
I don't think you would get anywhere with the orange order.
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I read somewhere that the description “details of every soldier who fought with King William..” is not quite accurate. I am told it doesn’t contain quite that level of detail.
There are some part-time archivists at Schomberg House. Contact details here:
http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/visit-schomberg-house#.U2tyHl4zJ_c
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It would appear (unless I've got this wrong), that contrary to the hope (if not expectation) that the Paymaster General's Account Book would be made available by digitising it (or even transcribing it) online, the Orange Order has produced a school workbook based on its content:
http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/news.aspx?id=100671#.U2yHE4FdUvk
In this link, it states that "The original Paymasters General’s book, along with a wealth of items and artefacts relating to this history of Orangeism across the world, will go on public display as part of the extension of the Institution’s Belfast headquarters." I do not know whether this simply means the Book will be placed into some sort of presentation case, or if its content will be made available electronically to visitors.
The link goes on to say that "There are 1,400 names listed within its parchment pages relating to some of the soldiers who accompanied King William..." - I had previously seen references alluding to 400 names of officers, including a large contingent from France. So maybe this is news.
Below is the link to the school workbook, BUT BEFORE YOU DECIDE WHETHER TO CLICK ON IT, be advised that this PDF took several minutes to load for me, that it does not contain images from the original document, and that it is a wider story clearly aimed at a young schoolchild's understanding.
There is one page (listed as 17 at the top right corner) which confirms that only officers / high ranking members of the army were documented in the book. It goes on to list surnames, Ingham isn't there, but then it may only be a selection of surnames.
http://www.grandorangelodge.co.uk/docs/paymaster-general-workbook.pdf
I would ask that anyone commenting on this post remember the saying "do not shoot the messenger". :)
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I guess this is your relative
http://www.goosefamily.org/families/ingham/001.htm
have you written to the orange order with a copy of this?
I guess if you write to them you would have to prove who you were.
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Thank you all for the input! Yes, that is my ancestor in Ron Goose's tree - the tree was initially put together by my grandfather's cousin. I did download and read the student workbook and have reviewed the other websites. I've also emailed David Hume, provided details and asked for help...so we'll see!
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http://www,libraryireland.com
do you know who he fought under Frederick Schomberg or Gobdet de Ginkell
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Sorry...I have no idea who he fought under.
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should be http://www.libraryireland.com
have you tried the records at Kew or Proni?
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From PRONI I managed to order his will extract - and I also found a reference to him in the Farnam Estate Papers. I have not contacted KEW - and advice on what to search for there?
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I have had a reply from David Hume - he will have the archivist look for me. He did note that there are 1450 names in the book...and there were 25,000 in William's army.
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type in google search box - Lieutenant joseph ingham battle of the boyne
the came up page Schomber - Ancestry
click on that, came down the page Jospeh Ingham mentions 1665-1763
you have to join this site then pay.
but when I typed in http://search.ancestry.com
I then could not find record.
but I had saved what I had found.
http://www.battletheboyne.ie/thegathering
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sorry:
http://www.battleoftheboyne.ie/thegathering
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the dutch guards were:
Williams elite unite, Dutch Blue Guards and they were Catholic and armed with the new Snaphance.
http://burnpit.us/2012/07/part-ii-battle-boyne
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The archivist at the Orange Order was unable to locate any reference to Capt. Joseph Ingham in the Paymaster's Book.
I am curious to learn how you determined that the Dutch Blue Guard were Catholic?
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I have read in William army there were: 26,500 infantry, 8,000 cavalry, 50guns total of 35,000 at the battle of the boyne.
2,000 killed and wounded.
will have to look up were I read they were Catholic.
William army were called the Williamites.
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http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org
then type in the search box: battle of the boyne
this about the blue guards being catholic.
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"The link goes on to say that "There are 1,400 names listed within its parchment pages relating to some of the soldiers who accompanied King William..." - I had previously seen references alluding to 400 names of officers, including a large contingent from France. "
Weren't the French in cahoots with King James ???????
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Cahoots! Yup apparently they were in cahoots! The archivist who responded to me noted that 'only selected officers and regiments to whom payments were made' are listed in the paymasters book. I fear that my search has hit a dead end.
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Ex-king James was certainly in cahoots with the French Government.
If there were Frenchmen on King William's side, they weren't there from the French government. Maybe they were protestant refugees from France, or something like that. I don't know.
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http://www.leagueofaugsburg.com/warchest/pdf/125.pdf
Lillingstone's regiment was nickname the Dutch guard. 6th regiment of foot, raised from Sir Walter Vane 1674.
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Hi,
Is anyone aware of any Royal Naval officers who fought at the Battle of The Boyne? I have an ancestor named Murrell or Morell who reputedly was a Royal Naval lieutenant who fought there before settling in Ireland
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this site might beable to help you
http://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/unit-info/316
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This is perfect - thanks - it lets me know that originally the English Government retained these English, Scots and Irish troops in Holland - then renamed them The Dutch Guards!