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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Topic started by: tjtree on Sunday 11 May 14 09:16 BST (UK)
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hi im stuck with my gg grandmother mary ann morgan all I know is she married henry sexton in 1861 on the census it states mary was from Chepstow she was residing in cotton street poplar London but I don't know when she came up from wales ,her sister maria I have as marrying a George Im not sure if it says buss bass. maria and mary,s father is named William morgan mary was born around 1837 1838 I think maia was born around 1832 but that's all I seem to have .... many thanks
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1851 1581/89/14 Census for Camden, 3 Camden Grove. All surnames Morgan
William, 46, Master Mariner, Monmouthshire
Mary, 43, Monmouthshire
Mary Ann, 14, Monmouthshire
Amy, 12, London
Martha, 11, London
Edward Williams, nephew, 13, Monmouthshire
Could this be her family? If so they came to London at some time between about 1837 and 1838. There are 2 births registered in Stepney district which may fit - Amy Morgan 1838 Jun qtr, Stepney, 2/410 and Martha Morgan 1840 Mar qtr, Stepney, 2/484.
Long shot but a possibility, Dave
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hi dave thank you I haven't got a clue with it ,its one we been stuck with for years I didn't even know the mothers name all I know is that they lived cotton street poplar and mary came from Chepstow id love it to be them then I,d know I think mary,s marriage line say her father is a cooper the writing is bad hopefully you are right and found her for me xx thank you
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Problem is with a name like Morgan, although not as frequent as for example Jones, there are rather a lot of them. Having Christian names like Mary and William makes matters worse. Mary Ann's marriage certificate will give father's name and occupation. Best ordered from GRO.
Dave
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hi I have the certificate it states mary ann morgan married henry sexton marys father William morgan occupation cooper
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Maria's surname looks like Russ on Mary's marriage
Marriage Sep qtr 1848
MORGAN Maria
RUSS George
Chepstow 26 42
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Source Gwent FHS Bapt. Chepstow.
Maria Morgan dau of William & Susannah bapt 5 June 1831. Nelson St, father occ. Cooper
Mary Ann Morgan dau of William & Susannah bapt 26 Feb 1837. Nelson St, father occ. Cooper
Cas
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Source Gwent FHS Chepstow
Marriage: 15 Aug 1848 by banns
Maria Morgan, spinster, George Kuss bach, occ. Rail Lab.
Father: William Morgan occ. Cooper.
Father: George Kuss occ Lab
Groom signed with mark. Bride signed her name.
Witness: William Kuss signed with mark & Jane Walters, signed name.
Cas
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Had difficulty finding them lots of Nelson St is not transcribed, had to flip throu pages. No William, all born in county.
1841 HO107 / 745 /6
Nelson Street Chepstow.
Susan Morgan 40 charwoman
Maria 10
Richard 5
Mary Ann 4
Cas
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Source Gwent FHS Bapt. Chepstow ~ Church St Mary.
This bapt for same parents but date is out to 1841 census maybe this child died??
Richard Smith Morgan bapt 21 Dec 1832 son of William & Susanna, Nelson St, Chepstow. Occ. Cooper.
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This marriage could be worth looking at for William & Susanna
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NF5W-29S
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absolutely fantastic you have made our day such a tough brick wall for us and u have cracked it does this William was born himself in Chepstow xxxx
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It is difficult to say, as have not found him on census to obtain year or place of birth. Cannot find Susan/Susanna(h) or Mary A in Monmouth in 1851. There are a few poss deaths for William, between registration and 1841 census, but it does not state widow? There is a poss marriage in 1847 to Henry Smith. But cannot find her 1851 as Smith either. with DOB?
Cas
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im not hundred percent sure if they were in the London area by 1851 thank you once again xx
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In 1851 Maria Russ and Mary Ann Morgan are in the home of Sydney & Susannah Smith
New House, St Brides, Newport, Monmouthshire
Sydney Smith Married age 51 31 a foreman on the railways born Charlfield, Gloucestershire
Susannah his wife was age 40 and born Minehead, Somerset
Mary Jane Smith age 3 bn Chepstow
Sydney Smith bn Chepstow
Maria Russ age 20 Visitor married bn Chepstow
Mary Ann Morgan 14 Visitor bn Chepstow
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amazing x
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Rechecked the original. Transcribed as Kuss but it could very well be Russ.
1851 - H.0. 107 /2453 Rosie found above. Sydney Smith is 31 not 51 mistranscribed.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/SGT2-5QN
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would Sydney be the uncle of mary and maria
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I jut checked my 1861 census paper for 1861 and both sisters mary and maria are either living in same house or next door to each other in cotton street poplar
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1851 - H.0. 107 /2453 Rosie found above. Sydney Smith is 31 not 51 mistranscribed.
Sorry I misread it, there is a line through the 3. I could not read the age of the younger Sydney either.
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Don't think he would be an uncle, possibly cousins. Susannah was born c 1801 Thou ages are all over the place for Susan.
Stepfather read below
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It looks as though the Henry Smith marriage in 1847 to Susannah Morgan could be right ;D
from freereg
Chepstow, Monmouthshire
Baptism 19 May 1850
Sidney Smith
Father Henry Sidney Smith
Mother Susan
Abode Old Hill
Fathers Occupation Railway labourer
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Chepstow Parish Church
Baptism 23 April 1848
Mary Jane Smith
Father Henry Sydney Smith
Mother Susan
Abode Nelson Street
Fathers Occupation Railway labourer
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In 1851 Maria Russ and Mary Ann Morgan are in the home of Sydney & Susannah Smith
New House, St Brides, Newport, Monmouthshire
Sydney Smith Married age 51 31 a foreman on the railways born Charlfield, Gloucestershire
Susannah his wife was age 40 and born Minehead, Somerset
Mary Jane Smith age 3 bn Chepstow
Sydney Smith bn Chepstow
Maria Russ age 20 Visitor married bn Chepstow
Mary Ann Morgan 14 Visitor bn Chepstow
Possibly Mary Ann was living with Maria. That is maybe why they are down as visitors. Maria husband an Ag lab so working away ??
Saw this census but was put off with Mary down as ag labs dau, but they followed for Maria who is down as ag labs wife.
Marriages Jun 1847
Morgan Susannah Chepstow 26 73
Smith Henry Chepstow 26 73
So they were all together in 1851. Age is out for Susannah, but rounding up/down in 1841 and knocking a few years off with marrying a younger man. Mary Jane was born at Nelson Street so it has to be the right family. ?
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from freereg
William Morgan's burial at Chepstow
7 December 1840
age 35
abode Nelson Street
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M7BD-4BF
1861 Cardiff
Sydney Smith Head 40 excavator Glouc Charfield
Susan " wife 49 Somerset Minehead
Sydney " son 10 Monmouthshire Chepstow
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Likely death cert
Deaths Dec 1840
MORGAN William Chepstow 26 43
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1871 RG10 / 5367
Folio 71
Page 23
Comet Street, Roath, Cardiff
Susan still alive the ages on the census are all different ???
Sydney Smith, Head 60 Dock lab, Charfield Glouc
Susan Smith wife 56 Somerset Minehead
Sydney Smith, son, 20 Dock lab, Chepstow Mon
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thia ia all fantastic thank you so very much
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so that makes William morgan born around 1805 ill order his death certificate
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If you want to know 'hopefully' Susan/Susanna(h) maiden name it maybe on the marriage to Smith.
Good Luck
Cas :)
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so that makes William morgan born around 1805 ill order his death certificate
His death certificate will not help you to find out where he was born or who his parents were :'(
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oh that's a shame thank you any way
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You really need to establish Susanna's maiden name so that you can see if William and Susanna's marriage throws any light on his origins. Maybe the marriage that Cas found in 1847 between Henry Smith & Susanna Morgan is the one to gamble on :-\ If it is the right marriage it should give Susanna's maiden name. At least we have established that Sydney Smith has a first name of Henry even though he does not use it on census.
Rosie
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thank you rosie xxxx its great what has been already found xx