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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Laois (Queens) => Topic started by: sirsimon on Sunday 11 May 14 21:22 BST (UK)
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Hello
My great, great grandfather was William Fitzpatrick. He was born in 1847 in Queens County and died in 1933 in Cashel, Tipperary aged 86. He married a woman named Bridget around 1878 and had 12 children, his eldest being Ellen, born in 1880 in Cork Co.
Would anymore be able to find out about his parents and any possible siblings?
my thanks
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It's best to start with the most recent event and work back.
If you can Bridget's maiden name, than their marriage this should give you his fathers name which will help with his birth if it's out there.
So start with the children's marriages or births.
Is this the family in 1901 and 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Fethard_Fethard_Town/The_Green/1704461/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Fethard_Town/The_Green_Lower/842049/
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Possible births
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBFN-5YC Gertrude
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBXB-W2C Frances
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There are a couple of topics on this family now and much searching already done
Tipperary Directly linked (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=686311.msg5304825#msg5304825)
Tipperary Site (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=73171.msg5304858#msg5304858)
Cork Site (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=686315.msg5304898#msg5304898)
Moderator: Perhaps the topic would be best in Ireland General to save repeated help being searched for and given
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Moderator: Perhaps the topic would be best in Ireland General to save repeated help being searched for and given
I've moved it now. :) Trystan
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Thanks Trystan
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Maybe they should be merged, I don't know which one to post in now.
Any way My Luck has pointed out a possible baptism for Ellen which also appears on FamilySearch but this Timothy baptism is interesting, it's not in Cork or Tipperary but same parents names, mmmmm
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPT6-X4F
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Good point on merging rather than moving Sinann
It was just I was getting de ja vu as I moved between counties!
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Apologies for the different posts chaps. I thought it would have been better to put the post on the queens county since we learnt William was born there
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When a number of counties are involved it is sometimes better to stay in general. Several posts can be a little confusing. Glad the searches to date aw proving useful
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there are proving useful. So far though, we haven't found any idea of parentage
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As you have no parish to locate William specifically in Laois I would suggest that you concentrate on locating his RIC records, however you are not guaranteed to find more information
LINK to RIC site (http://www.royalirishconstabulary.com/index2012.html)
A search on rootsireland.ie a paid site will show that there are baptism records for
9 William FitzPatricks that were born in Co. Laois between 1845 and 1849
This is just from the available records on line on this site
Without William's parents names from another site finding his birth will be very difficult
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Right
I received the marriage certificate for William Fitzpatrick and Bridget McCarthy. William's father is named Timothy Fitzpatrick. Would this help in finding a baptism?
thanks
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Hello
My ancestor William Fitzpatrick was born in Queen's County in Ireland in 1847. After receiving his marriage certificate today, his proper age isn't documented, but his father was named Timothy.
After looking at the 1901 census, I have found a possible father, Timothy Fitzpatrick and Norah living in Cork County, but I am not certain
Would someone be able to help locate William's birth certificate, so I can confirm the link?
my thanks
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A link to other thread topics merged
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=453932.0
Link with info about birth regs
Birth Registration only commenced in 1864 in Ireland, so no birth cert will be available. A baptismal record may possibly exist.
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There is a possible on RootsIreland a William born to a Timothy in Laois in 1845, I'll see if I can narrow it down a bit
Right that's in Mountrath parish.
http://laois.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0
It's pay to view and will only be a transcription.
That link probably doesn't work http://www.rootsireland.ie
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Likely could be the one, the 1847 birth date is from the 1901 census and you know that the census is usually a year off.
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The closest I can find using the "RootsIreland" website index is an 1845 baptism for a William Fitzpatrick to parents Timothy and Catherine, Mountrath RC parish. The record content is pay to view. Nothing to say 100% that this is your William however.
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Church records for his marriage may give his mothers name.
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Two threads on the go again.
topics merged
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the marriage was consummated in the presence of a Thomas Fitzpatrick and a Norah McCarthy, siblings of the bride and groom perhaps?
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Hi,
Marriage consummation obviously had a different meaning in those days!!!
Regards
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This is very frustrating, I spent some time in researching my post.
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I know how you feel, so did I
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I had a similar thought kingskerswell!
Unfortunately sirsimon you are still caught with details for proving facts
You can only surmise the relationship of Thomas and Norah to your ancestors
and as they are common names find a William with a brother Thomas and a common father of Timothy may well be correct, however you would need an address or other piece of information to be sure
Also try to stick to one topic or paste a link to a new one in an existing one
You can use the "report to moderator" icon to ask that one be locked
Some researchers do not look at every area each day and duplication is frustrating as mentioned
There are 12 Timothy FitzPATRICKs in Queens Co/Laois on Griffiths Valuations (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=fitzpatrick&firstname=timothy&baronyname=&countyname=QUEEN%27S&unionname=&parishname=&Submit.x=22&Submit.y=15) from the late 1840s
These could all be the same person or 12 people - but it shows the prevalence of the name and the chance that there was more than one family with Timothy as the head in the county
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Hello
I think the Mountrath record is his, since I got hold of William's Royal irish Constabulary service record. The officer of recommendation is Sub Inspector Bracken, whom served in Mountrath. Since he had to know William personally, William must have come from Mountrath
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Hi There
A bit about Mountrath here !
The Griffiths Valuation was taken int he late 1850's early 1860's so presuming that Timothy was stlll alive then there is a good chance that he is on it.
http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths/laois/clonenaghandclonagheen.htm
The name Timothy Fitzpatrick appears on it three times and each of these areas are in the vicinity of Mountrath !
Tara
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thanks
The only problem is that I cannot tell which one is William's father
He definately was from Mountrath, and there are baptism records available. But for the moment, I have no idea which record is his.
He died in Cashel in 1933, so an obituary may hold some clues
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The Irish don't really do obits unless they were from a high ranking family.
If you really want to look you would need to try this site
http://www.irishnewsarchive.com/
€10 for a 24 hour pass.
A bit expensive if you find nothing ~ BUT a bargain if you do get something !
I usually wait 'til I've lots to look up to make the 24 hour pass worthwhile.
So, back to the GV ~
Yes, you don't know now which one is William's father but it may help later on if you get more leads !
Tara
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Thanks
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Found his baptism record
William Fitzpatrick baptised 1st September 1845 in Mountrath County Laois to Timothy Fitzpatrick and Catherine Power
He had siblings
Thomas born 1840
Mary born 1838
Judith born 1842
Cannot find marriage for Timothy and Catherine, despite records going back to 1827