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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Longford => Topic started by: Westy11 on Monday 19 May 14 05:15 BST (UK)
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Hoping to solve this one with your assistance please...
James Timothy Aloysius Morris was a son of Anthony James Morris & Elizabeth Catherine Hanley.
Given James was listed as Catholic in later life I am assuming he was Catholic at birth [I am aware he could have converted as many did but my instincts are he was Catholic at birth but am open to any religion].
I have 2 dates of birth for James and I assume one is a typo. The dates are either:
16 Jun 1845, or
16 Jun 1844
On the 1891 Census for England James said he was born in Longford Co Ireland. James died in Galway Ireland.
Have my fingers crossed for any record that will confirm which year.
Kind regards
Westy11
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A search of the RootsIreland website index brings back an 1844 church baptism for a James Anthony Morris with parents James Morris and Elizabeth Hanley. The given parish is Longford Roman Catholic.
I wonder if he is related? The record content is pay to view.
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This doesn't answer your question, but note that the RootsIreland website index also brings back an 1851 church baptism for a Catherine Morris with parents Anthony Morris and Elizabeth Hanley. The given parish is Clifden Roman Catholic. Also a church baptism for a William Michael Morris with same parents and same parish.
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Hi Gaffy
Thanks so much for those finds.
I am really curious about the records you have located.
James Timothy Aloysius Morris's name was in two books both as James Timothy Aloysius Morris of Ballinaboy Co Longford Galway. His parents were listed in one only being Anthony James Morris and Lizzie Josephine Hanley. Both sets of names fit the records you have provided as well as the location of Clifden.
This is probably a silly question but so be it - would or could the baptism record give greater information than the transcript provides? And secondly can a copy of the baptism records be purchased?
Westy11 ???
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I only mentioned the 1844 RootsIreland baptism for James Anthony Morris on the possibility that he might be a brother of James Timothy Aloysius Morris (given that the 1891 England Census indicated that the latter was born in Longford) and speculating that the potential "brothers", particularly if they were born within a year or two of each other, might have been conflated in the information more widely available (for example, on the internet).
BTW, your reference to Ballinaboy is interesting, there is a townland called Ballinaboy in the civil parish of Ballindoon and poor law union of Clifden, County Galway. I'm wondering, is this a young married family that moved from County Longford in the 1840s to County Galway in the 1850s?
"... would or could the baptism record give greater information than the transcript provides?
Can't see that happening. Now, transcription error is another matter altogether.
"... can a copy of the baptism records be purchased?"
Online, I suspect not, the only recourse may be to go through the microfilm at the National Library of Ireland:
http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx
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1881 has a James T Morris 30 yrs born Galway and the marriage indexes for later that year have him as James Joseph T A Morris. :)
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Hello Gaffy & heywood
The search for a correct date of baptism/birth seems to be uncovering an interesting story especially with the addition of the name Joseph. I also find it interesting two boys baptised in the possible same year [1844] have such similar names. I know this is commonplace but nonetheless interesting.
I searched for the burial of James Anthony Morris in Ireland but without success. Today I shall try for burial in England.
Gaffy - you mention "family that moved from County Longford in the 1840s to County Galway in the 1850s". What is the source of this information please so that I might be able to recreate it???
Heywood - what is the source for the marriage index you mention please? I am assuming the 1881 is a reference to the Census but am uncertain if this is Ireland or England???
Westy11
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Gaffy - you mention "family that moved from County Longford in the 1840s to County Galway in the 1850s". What is the source of this information please so that I might be able to recreate it???
I'm basing it on the speculation that James Morris and Elizabeth Hanley who baptised son James Anthony in the Irish midlands in 1844 (and may be the parents of James Timothy Aloysius Morris) are the same people as Anthony Morris and Elizabeth Hanley who baptised daughter Catherine in 1851 and son William Michael in 1853 in West Galway, a fair distance away.
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Ah!!!!! Some days I am a bit slow :-\ Can only blame it on the flu!
I located another record this time from Burke's Landed Gentry of Ireland in which is stated James Aloysius Morris of Ballinaboy co Galway J.P. was born 16 June 1848 eldest son of Anthony James Morris and Eliza Hanley his wife, and grandson of Anthony James Morris and Ellinor Stanton his wife.
Curious. I wonder if there is any chance of finding this date in the baptism register or transcripts?
Westy11
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I searched for the burial of James Anthony Morris in Ireland but without success. Today I shall try for burial in England.
Heywood - what is the source for the marriage index you mention please? I am assuming the 1881 is a reference to the Census but am uncertain if this is Ireland or England???
Westy11
Hi Westy,
I thought you said that James died in Galway?
I based my findings on the James born Longford in 1891 which you gave.
James T A Morris married to Anna M
1881 88/12/17
Moore Street Chelsea
James T Morris 30 yrs Annuitant born Galway
Is a lodger in the home of John Lee, cabinet maker and family. There are no Irish connections so presumably he is just a lodger.
Free BMD Kensington June Quarter 1881
James Joseph T A Morris and Anna M Stacey
Is this the right James?
Heywood
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Hi Heywood
Yes I did say that in my original post. This was the information I had to hand based on a book on pedigrees from which his wife descended. To date I have not located any records on his death.
I have found him practicing in Galway as a JP and the latest I currently have in 1903. His wife died in Clifden in 1907 [as per the pedigree & probate record].
In relation to his birth he gave those details on a few census I located and it was noted in the book of pedigrees.
In relation to the marriage - yes you are correct and I note he used Joseph as his second of many names.
Westy11
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There is this:
James T A Morris born abt 1840 death December quarter 1914
Clifden volume 4 page 99
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Heywood
That is fantastic. :)
Is there any access to probate records that indicate an exact date of death and a location at death?
Kind regards
Westy11
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You can send for a copy if the death entry in the registers for 4 euros. There are more expensive options. See here https://www.welfare.ie/en/downloads/Death_Application_Form-English.doc
There are various bits of information about this family online if you search around.
For example, http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=779 which says the house is still occupied.
You may be able to find some information here http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/Library/LocalHistory/
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Heywood
Thanks heaps - found a probate record for him with death 23 Jul 1914. Thanks also for the links to other information.
Westy11