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She married Arthur Wilson Betteridge in 1902 they have 6 children.
Far as i know her father is Richard and sister is Millie as in 1901 they are in the same house as Annie and her 2 kids Emma 4 months old and Arthur Wilson who was 6. I think he died in action in 1915 aged 22.
Richard was born in oxforshire and her sister was born in South Bank Teesside
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FOR INFORMATION ONLY
There is an 11 page thread currently running re: Betteridge which has some Silman info.
Would advise reading it before researching to avoid duplication of info etc
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=686997.msg5315805#msg5315805
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i no its my post
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i no its my post
I know as I was involved in your other post - The information was for anybody else looking at this post who was unaware that you had another thread running. It's to save them wasting time looking for info which may already have been posted on the other thread
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oh ok
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Hi on the other thread was where is Annie in 1891, found on one site not on mine:-
Annie SILLMAN (No age shown) b LAZONBY Residing with an E W Hood at Coatham, Guisborough, which possibly bears out the Freebmd birth you located in Guisborough?
Census Ref RG12/4001/38/23
Keyboard86
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Hi on the other thread was where is Annie in 1891, found on one site not on mine:-
Annie SILLMAN (No age shown) b LAZONBY Residing with an E W Hood at Coatham, Guisborough, which bears out the Freebmd birth you located in Guisborough?
Census Ref RG12/4001/38/23
Keyboard86
i cud not find her in 1891 and yes it did say guisbrough
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coatham is in redcar
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Hi again, right found the one I posted above on my site they state she is aged 40, for reference the Annie E Silman b c 1875 with father Richard & mother Emma is shown as b LANGLEY Berkshire in 1881
Census Ref RG11/1506/32/17, Richard/Emma and family are in Grangetown in 1891 in Laing Street where Annie and Arthur Betteridge had their children RG12/4016/37/31
Keyboard86
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Hi again, right found the one I posted above on my site they state she is aged 40, for reference the Annie E Silman b c 1875 with father Richard & mother Emma is shown as b LANGLEY Berkshire in 1881
Census Ref RG11/1506/32/16, Richard/Emma and family are in Grangetown in 1891 in Laing Street where Annie and Arthur Betteridge had their children RG12/4016/37/31
Keyboard86
ok thanks
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Recapping on Annie Silman
1911 (as given by you)
Annie Wilson Betteridge (1875) 36 Lazenby dittoed as York
1902 Darlington vol 10a page 60
Annie SILMAN
Arthur Wilson BETTERIDGE
1901 RG13; Piece: 4584; Folio: 133; Page: 9
91 Laing St
Annie E WILSON Head M 25 (1876)Lazenby
Arthur 6 (1895) Grangetown
Emma 4mths ‘’
Richard SILMAN father 57 Black?on Oxford Horsedriver Groom
Minnie sister 15 Grangetown Yorks dressmaker
1891 RG12; Piece: 4001; Folio: 38; Page: 23
Annie SILLMAN Domestic Servant Lazenby York
1891 RG12; Piece: 4016; Folio: 37; Page: 31
19 Laing St
Richard SILMAN 47 Black?ston Oxfordshire steel worker
Emma 45 Little Cheshire Oxford
George 10 Wendlebury Oxford
Minnie R (Rosetta) 5 Grangetown
1881 RG11; Piece: 1506; Folio: 32; Page: 17;
Richard SILMAN 38 Ag Lb.
Emma 35
Robert E 15
ANNIE E 5 (1876) Langley Berks??
Mary Jane 2
George H T Wendlebury
possible birth entry
Annie Elizabeth SILMAN Sep 1875 Guisbro' vol 9d page 508
1871 RG10; Piece: 1443; Folio: 44; Page: 2
Thomas CRUTCH 62, Sarah 51, Mary J 16 Albert 11
Emma SILMAN M dau 25
Robert E 5
Albert W 3mths
Dec 1865 Bicester 3a 1097
Emma CRUTCH
Richard SILMAN
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George Henry T Silman Jun 1881 Bicester Oxfordshire Volume: 3a Page: 762
George Silman Age at enlistment: 21 Windlebury
Document Year: 1902
Regimental Number: 10964
Regiment Name: Royal Garrison Artillery
Next of kin
Crossed out father Richard 4 Laing St Grangetown written underneath
Brother Edward with father
Wife Jennie with husband
Christian & surname of woman to whom married
Jennie Miller Sp South Banks York 20 5 07
George Silman Age at enlistment: 35 b]Windlebury[/b]
Document Year: 1914
Regimental Number: 9053
Regiment Name: 1St Division Royal Fusiliers Royal Artillery
Next of kin wife Jennie 10 Harrison St Guisbro’
3 children Leslie 23/1/05, Ernest Robson 2/7/09 & Florrie 12/3/13
As you know we can't post details of the 1911 census but
take a look at
Geo Henry Silman born 1881 Wendlebury (ABW nephew )
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWH2-QVG
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Far as i know her father is Richard Silman in the same house as Annie and her 2 kids
Emma 4 months old and Arthur Wilson who was 6.
I think he died in action in 1915 aged 22.
it's a shame there's no details of parents names on the CWGC site
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/100745/BETTERIDGE,%20A%20W
or any further details on this Army record next of kin etc.... to confirm if he's the correct AWB
Arthur Wilson Betteridge Age at enlistment: 19 Darlington Durham
Document Year: 1914
Arthur Wilson Betteridge Darlington, Durham Residence: Grangetown, Yorks
Death Date: 27 Mar 1918
Regiment: Dorsetshire Regiment 1st Battalion Number: 13404
Comments: Formerly 20184, Cavalry Regiment.
Medal Card
Arthur W Betteridge Regiment or Corps: 1st Dorsetshire Regiment
Regimental Number: 13404
Victory, British & 15* Medal
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Wow thanks for all this information
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There is a letter for the "deceased effects" for Arthur Wilson Betteridge Regiment Number 13404 signed by Annie Elizabeth Wilson Betteridge (Mother) of 1 Laing Street, Grangetown
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Thanks
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I' m new to this website and found it by typing my fathers name Ernest robson silman. His father was george silman and my grandmother was Jennie. I know very little about my ancestors on my dad's side and would love to know more
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I' m new to this website and found it by typing my fathers name Ernest robson silman. His father was george silman and my grandmother was Jennie. I know very little about my ancestors on my dad's side and would love to know more
i dont think i have them on my family tree u will need to make your own post and ask around
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I' m new to this website and found it by typing my fathers name Ernest robson silman. His father was george silman and my grandmother was Jennie. I know very little about my ancestors on my dad's side and would love to know more
i have checked and on here there is a george but im not sure how he is connected yet. i have to review what has been said
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I' m new to this website and found it by typing my fathers name Ernest robson silman.
His father was george silman and my grandmother was Jennie.
I know very little about my ancestors on my dad's side and would love to know more
i have checked and on here there is a george but im not sure how he is connected yet. i have to review what has been said
FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
birth entry
Ernest Robson SILMAN
Sep 1909 Durham vol 10a page 406
his death entry
Mar 1977 Cleveland Yorkshire born 2 Jul 1909
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCP-6RNV
Free search 1911 shows
Ernest Robson Silman with
George Henry born 1881, Jane Ann born 1880 & Thomas Alfred Leslie born 1908
family search https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH2-QVV show father George's pob Wendlebury and mother Jane Ann born Spennymoor
marriage entry FreeBMD
Jun 1907 Middlesbro' vol 9d page 1074
George SILMAN
other names on same page
Jennie MILLER
Jane BATTY
Walter Sutherland ANDERSON
This looks to be father George's birth entry from FreeBMD
Wendlebury in in the registration district of Bicester
George Henry T SILMAN
Jun 1881 Bicester vol 3a page 762
and here is George H T Silman on the 1881 census with his siblings & parents
Richard & Emma Silman https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQQ9-NLN
Wkriss
If you don't already have it Ernest's b/c should confirm his mother's maiden name
Do you have George & Jennie's marriage certificate? This will confirm their father's names, occupations etc.......
birth, marriage & death certificates can be ordered from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
they cost £9.25 each including postage
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I' m new to this website and found it by typing my fathers name Ernest robson silman.
His father was george silman and my grandmother was Jennie.
I know very little about my ancestors on my dad's side and would love to know more
i have checked and on here there is a george but im not sure how he is connected yet. i have to review what has been said
FreeBMD http://www.freebmd.org.uk/
birth entry
Ernest Robson SILMAN
Sep 1909 Durham vol 10a page 406
his death entry
Mar 1977 Cleveland Yorkshire born 2 Jul 1909
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCP-6RNV
Free search 1911 shows
Ernest Robson Silman with
George Henry born 1881, Jane Ann born 1880 & Thomas Alfred Leslie born 1908
famly search https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH2-QVV
show father George's pob Wendlebury and mother Jane Ann born Spennymoor
This looks to be father George's birth entry from FreeBMD
Wendlebury in in the registration district of Bicester
George Henry T SILMAN
Jun 1881 Bicester vol 3a page 762
and here is George H T Silman on the 1881 census with his siblings & parents Richard & Emma Silman
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQQ9-NLN
The only marriage I can see on FreeBMD for a George Silman to a Jane is
Jun 1907 Middlesbro' vol 9d page 1074
George SILMAN
name on same page
Jane BATTY
There's these two birth entries from FreeBMD for
Jane Ann BATTY
Jun 1881 Teesdale vol 10a page 279
Jane Ann BATTY
Jun 1881 Gateshead vol 10a vol 858
If you don't have it Ernest's b/c should confirm his mother's maiden name
birth, marriage & death certificates can be ordered from GRO http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
they cost £9.25 each including postage
On a previous post u said George is married to jennie
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On a previous post u said George is married to jennie
If possible look at the original 1911 census to check mother's christain name is written as Jennie
the free index shows it as Jane Ann Silman as does family search https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWH2-QVK
looking back over the thread George's Army Record detail says he married
Jennie MILLER on 20 5 07 and their 3 children named
Leslie , Ernest Robson born 2/7/09 & Florrie born 12/3/13
for info. there are two female birth entries mmn MILLER
you can check the full names on from FreeBMD
F M Jun 1913 Middlesbro vol 9d page 1028
I G Sep 1918 Guisbro vol 9d page 772
Jaime2013
Did you check and verify the information given to make sure we had the correct Silman family?
Did you obtain any birth or marriage certificates?
i have checked and on here there is a george but im not sure how he is connected yet. i have to review what has been said
Looking back over the thread it looks as if George Silman born c1881 Wendlebury (his middle name Henry T) is the brother of Annie Elizabeth Silman born c1875 - check the 1881 census detail and see what you think
I have removed the details of Jane Ann Batty from my post as not to confuse matters ::)
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yes everything matches up and no i didnt get a certificate. i try not get one unless it is really nessecery
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Perhaps Jane Ann was known as Jennie
1911 gives Jane Anne's pob as Spennymoor
Spennymoor is in the registration district of Auckland
there's this birth entry on FreeBMD
Jane Ann MILLER
Mar 1879 Auckland vol 10a page 213
there is this MILLER family in Auckland Bishop Auckland
but I don't have a reference number to check further details
1881c
Thomas MILLER 33
Hannah 33
Henry 11
Isabella 9
JANE A 2
this might be son Henry's christening Primitive Methodist Chapel, Crook, Durham
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJVC-3WG
1891c
Thomas MILLER 45
Hannah 43
Isabella 19
JANE ANN 12 Spenny Moor https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WFN9-QT2
Ethel 9
George William 6
Flora 1 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WFNS-9MM
Possible Marriage entry (FreeBMD)
Thomas MILLER name on same page Hannah ROBSON
Dec 1868 Auckland vol 10a page 213
Here's a pedigree tree chart on family search showing
Thomas & Hannah Miller - 6 children named (includes dau Jane A)
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3SDJ-CMN
and one for George Henry T Silman parents named Richard & Emma nee CRUTCH
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3934-BG4?view=details
you would need to verify the accuracy of information given
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I think my grandmother must have been Jane Anne miller and nit Jennie as she was known to us. Her mothers maiden name seems to be Hannah robson, and my dad was Ernest robson silman and I was named Kristine robson silman. I often wondered why We had a strange middle names. Makes sense now, I even named my son mark robson ......... To keep the tradition. Now I know why. This is fascinating.
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Kristine is my 2nd cousin twice removed
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Kritine Grandfather George Henry Silman's sister Annie Elizabeth Silman married my My Nanna's Grandad Arthur Wilson Betteridge
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Hello 2nd cousin twice removed, I'm loving this. Now about my granda George Henry silman, I always thought he had died way before i was born (1949) but I can't find any information about his death in bmd, I'm very new to this website.
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Now about my granda George Henry silman, I always thought he had died way before i was born (1949) but I can't find any information about his death in bmd, I'm very new to this website.
Wkriss - do you have access to your parents 1939 marriage certificate ? reference number can be found on FreeBMD this may indicate that Ernest's father George is deceased.
Witnesses to their marriage may be family members
There is this death entry on FreeBMD which could be your George -
perhaps his wife Jennie was the informant
http://www.sog.org.uk/learn/help-getting-started-with-genealogy/guide-three
Mar 1925 Guisbro Vol 9d page 644
George H SILMAN age 44 (born c1881)
Do you know when Jennie/Jane Ann died? This could be her entry on FreeBMD
Dec 1968 York vol 2d page 798
Jane A SILMAN age 89 (born c1879)
For info.
George Silman born c 1881 Wendlebury
Army records 1902 & 1914 are available to view on Find My Past if you don't have a subscription you can pay as you go to view them
British Army Service Records 1914-1920 http://www.findmypast.co.uk/
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