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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: j9wills on Wednesday 21 May 14 20:02 BST (UK)
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wondering if anyone can help please,i am part of a small history research group and currently we are researching a singer sewing machine which was bought by a members father in the 70s in newport. there is a plaque attached with the name miss gertrude walters and it was presented to her by the community of heathfield house for her many years service at the school in 1924 with the latin numquam otio torpuit neque torpebat written at the bottom.
we know a bit about the school although not much we would be very interested in any information or tips as to where we go from here especially as to where we could find out more about Gertrude
thank you
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Hi
The 1911 census would be your best bet. Because of copyright restrictions, lookups are not allowed on Rootschat.
If the machine was for long service, she should be there in 1911
http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx
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Was it Heathfield House Cardiff or Chiswick ?
Thanks
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thank you for your replies yes 1911 census a brilliant idea and will be my next port of call and the heathfield house is the one in cardiff. i did just think ooops forgot to write down the location before i logged on am new to posting on here although been a member for a while and seen some brilliant work while helping people by brilliant roots chatters so this was the first thing i did while starting this project
thanks again
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Hi & welcome back ;D
If you don't have a subscription to the 1911 census host sites at home (FindMyPast/Ancestry) check out your local library to see if they offer free in-house access to the library editions.
Dawn
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Have a look at these
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3179599 (http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C3179599)
http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?coll_id=77186&inst_id=33&term=heathfield%20house (http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?coll_id=77186&inst_id=33&term=heathfield%20house)
These may help
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My guess is that she was leaving to get married. Is there a precise date on the plaque?
There was a marriage in Llanelly in q/e June 1924: Gertrude M Walters and Thomas R Williams
When you get access to the censuses have a look at this Gertrude Walters, born around 1890 in Cwmbran, at a college in Liverpool. https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XWRB-WDC
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yes i thought maybe she would be leaving to get married. and the gertrude walters born in cwmbran certainly looks promising will look at all the brilliant suggestions from you all as soon as the children are in bed thanks all
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sorry forgot to say i dont think there is a precise date but will ask the owner of it when i see her i did have a copy of the exact wording on the plaque but cant find it at the moment prob be easier to ask her for another copy
thanks
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Here she is with her family in 1901 [ I think the address reads Maypole Cottage, which is in Cwmbran
William H Walters 38 b Bristol Grocer
Elizabeth A Walters 38 b Newport Sub-Postmistress
Daisy Walters 12 b Cwmbran
Gertrude Walters 10 "
Wilfred Walters 8 "
Austen Walters 7 "
Kathleen Walters 5 "
Madaline Walters 4 "
Elsie Mary Walters 1 "
Gerald Walters 3 Months "
Emely Woods 24 Domestic servant
From info on the 1911 I suspect there is an older child away somewhere.
Looking for 1891 now can't seem to find them...William Walters and Elizabeth Ann Greenwood married in 1885 in Neath.
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absolutely brilliant thank you nesta. going to see the owner of the sewing machine tomorrow and will have more info about exactly what the plaque says thank you all for your help.
was wondering if anyone would know where i could find info for staff at the school up until she left in 1924 like where the records would be kept if any
thanks again
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was wondering if anyone would know where i could find info for staff at the school
Nestagj already posted that:
http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?coll_id=77186&inst_id=33&term=heathfield%20house
"Scope and content: Heathfield House Roman Catholic Pupil Teachers' Centre staff register, 1905-1953; "
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Latin: Nunquam Otio Torpebat. After googling think in Latin it means something like
("He never relaxed in idleness")
I may be wrong thou ???
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thats the motto for st bedes college but this one has more words in it so not really sure thanks though. i found the same thing when i was looking into it
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she did indeed so sorry dont know why i asked the same thing again think i need to slow down on the excitement of it all and concentrate
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Hi
if you don't mind me asking where are you based - close enough to go to the archives ?
keep us posted
nesta
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The electoral registers may be a possibility to trace them forwards.
N
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yes i live close enough to the archives that we are planning a visit very soon and with the links you sent me nesta we at least wont be searching aimlessly as we have a record set to start with now. i will keep you posted and electoral rolls are another good suggestion
thank you
janine
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Great - enjoy
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my internet been down for a while but meeting the group tomorrow to organize a date to go to the archives the plaque on the sewing machine reads as follows
presented to miss gertrude walters
by the community at heathfield house
in pleasant remembrance of the years
spent by her in that school.
nunquam otio torpuit neque torpebit
december 1924
keep you posted
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Thanks for keeping us posted - let s know how you get on.
N
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right been to the archives today and found out
gertude walters was born on 8th december 1890
attended notre dame secondry school southwark 1904-1909 then liverpool mount pleasant training college 1909-1911
she started her probation period at heathfield house 15th april 1912 and a year later her permanent position there
exams taken:junior oxford 1905,senior oxford 1907(honours),london metriculation(or it looked like that)1908,preliminary cert 1909(distinctions in english and maths) and final cert(distinctions in maths and theory of music and singing)
over the years she taught maths,english,geography,history and needleworkand singing to all classes
she left on 19th december 1924 the reason gave that she was leaving the teaching profession she was reappointed temporarily between march and july 1925 then reappointed in sept 1926(part time) and in oct 1926(fulltime) there is no date as to when this ended but there was a reference to her in the record as late as 1935
found it all very interesting and strangely proud of this lady as i read all this although she not part of my family but feel that during all this i have got to know her and hope we as a group can bring what we set out to do to a good conclusion just need to go forward now for that to happen which could be harder but we are more determined
janine