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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: Wallasey99 on Friday 23 May 14 09:42 BST (UK)
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HELP please! My ancestor, William Calder was born in Liverpool in 1842. Parents John Calder , tailor / painter, born Rothshire? c1809 and Ellen Hawthorn. John 's father was named William too. Ellen's father was James Hawthorn, a tailor too.
The family today believe strongly that John Calder came down from Aberdeen.
I have some possible candidates for John Calder such as the one born 1810 Aboyne Aberdeen. Another born 1811 Banchory, Aberdeen. Both entries on Family Search list the mother as Helen Findlay.
Any help gratefully appreciated. (Also posted on Aberdeen page)
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Hi Wallasey
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Dawn
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Hi Wallasey99
Why does the family think that John may have had Aberdeenshire roots? I assume he showed as born in Ross-shire in one of his census entries? I shouldn't assume really :-\ What did he state as his birth place on his English census entries? Did he ever state a county/name place in Scotland or did it always simply show as 'Scotland'?
Did John marry in England? Is that where you got the name of his father, William? As you mentioned, son William born 1842:
9 Oct 1842 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancs.
William Calder - [Child] of John Calder, Painter & Ellen. Abode: Jordan St
www.lan-opc.org.uk
Monica
Added: Marriage from above site:
Marriage: 26 Sep 1841 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Calder - full, Painter, Bachelor, Jordan Street
Ellen Hawthorn - (X), full, Spinster, Jordan Street
Groom's Father: William Calder, Painter
Bride's Father: James Hawthorn, Tailor
Witness: Alex Mc Kinley; Ann Meageen
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Possible brother for your John:
Marriage: 18 Sep 1848 St Barnabas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Donald Calder - Full Age, Painter, Bachelor, Frederick St.
Ellen Spence - Full Age, Spinster, Frederick St.
Groom's Father: William Calder, Painter
Bride's Father: John Spence, Traveller
Witness: James Dawson; Ann Davidson, (X)
www.lan-opc.org.uk/Search/indexp.html
Monica
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Wallasey99, I am sure you have a lot on John Calder and family. Just adding a little on possible brother Donald in Carlisle, Cumberland:
1851:
Donald Calder, 33 house painter and ? b. Scotland
Ellen Calder 31 b. Scotland
Mary Calder 1 b. Carlisle
Monica
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Have you come across this entry before from 1851, Scotland:
Thomas Cullen 77 painter b. Queensbersy, England...*
Christina Cullen 29 b. Edinburgh
James M Kerrachar 10 stepson b. Edinburgh
Francis Calder 19 brother in law, Glazier b. Edinburgh...possible https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XT5J-3F7
William Calder 74 father in law, painter b. Tain Ross-shire
Address: Campbells Close, Edinburgh Canongate
Can we connect John and Donald to this family?
Monica
PS: www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl have Thomas as aged 27.
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Hello Wallasey99,
You probably have this Census already since you describe John Calder as a Tailor/Painter.
1841 England Census. Jordan St, Liverpool, Lancashire. (Ancestry)
Alexr McKinley 30 Painter
Jasr McKinley 25 -
Alex McKinley 4 - born Lancashire.
Ellen Hawthorn 25 ?
Cathl Sutherland 20 Dress Maker
John Calder 30 Tailor
(Apart from Alex age 4, Ancestry says all born (I) Ireland. On the actual Census it looks more like (S) for Scotland. See S for surname Sutherland)
At same address:
Edwr Handley 25 born I (Ireland)
Bridget Handley 25 " I "
John Handley 3 " Lancashire.
John Handley 30 " I (Ireland)
Bridget Higgins 18 F S born I (Ireland) (Again, see S in F S (Female Servant)
1851 England Census. 18 Webster St, Everton, Lancashire.
John Calder 42 Journeyman Painter b Rothshire, Scotland.
Ellen Calder 40 Wife - b Ayrshire, Scotland.
William Calder 8 Son b Liverpool, Lancashire.
Ellen Calder 5 Dau b " "
John Calder 3 Son b " "
1861 England Census. 25a Gordon St, Everton, Lancashire.
Ellen Calder 48 Widow b Scotland.
William Calder 18 Son House Painter (Ap) b Liverpool, Lancashire.
John Calder 14 Son Scholar b " "
Regards, Dod.
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thank you very much Monica and Dod! I think we're on the right track with the Carlisle (possibly John's brother Donald) and the Tain (John's father William) connection.