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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Carlow => Topic started by: wiilams83 on Sunday 25 May 14 00:24 BST (UK)
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The only information I have about my Irish ancestors is that a William Hayes b1863 Carlow married to a Hannah McCabe b1875 in 1894 all in Carlow.
Fathers are James McCabe
And a William Hayes
Any information would be greatful
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so this is the family?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Carlow/Kyle/Ballyine/1045161/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Kyle/Ballyine/314803/
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Yes
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Hi,looked about and pulled up a few bits. William Hayes' wife's name was Johanna and she was born in Carlow in 1871. As to their children I found the following;
James Hayes born Apr-June 1895 Carlow
Margaret Hayes born Jan-March 1896 Carlow
Christopher Hayes born Oct-Dec 1898 New Ross,Wexford
Anastatia Hayes Apr-June 1901 Wexford
Thomas Hayes Jan-March 1902 Wexford
Mary Hayes born either 1903 or 1905 New Ross,Wexford
Hannah Hayes born Apr-June 1906 New Ross,Wexford
John Hayes born Oct-Dec 1907 New Ross,Wexford
Katie Hayes born Apr-June 1910 New Ross,Wexford
It also appears that William and Hannah married in Oct-Dec 1894 in New Ross,Wexford
Griffiths Valuation 1848-1864:
James McCabe townlands: Clonmore and Tomnasock
parish: Old Leighlin
William Hayes Sr.
William Hayes Jr both townland: Killedmond
parish: Kiltennell
these are where both fathers (and in William's case grandfather)were residing during this time. In James McCabe's case, there were also several others who were residing in the parish of Old Leighlin at the same time; John, Loughlin, Bridget,Mary, Patrick and Thomas McCabe.
In St Lazerian churchyard,Old Leighlin,Carlow, I found the following headstone:
James McCabe died 22 Nov 1927 age 80 of Tomnasock husband of Catherine
erected by his son John
Catherine McCabe died 20 Dec 1940 age 78 wife of James
this matches with the James McCabe/Catherine McCabe who appear in Old Leighlin in the 1901 and 1911 census. He could be father or brother to (Jo)Hannah.
I also found a James McCabe who was born @ 1806 and died in 1883 in Carlow who could be grand or great grandfather.
Also, discovered that it appears that William Hayes may have been a Protestant and his children were raised Catholic because of their mother or he may have converted to Catholicism.
William Hayes parents:
William Hayes
address:Killedmond
occ:farmer
father of groom:William Hayes
married
Jane Hogan
address:Spa Hill
occ:needlewoman
father of bride:Bartholomew Hogan
date of marriage:20 Jan 1857
place of marriage: Kiltennel,co Carlow COI (Church of Ireland)
children of marriage:
William born 1858 Killedmond (all the info I could find)
John born 22 June 1859 bap 18 Sept 1859 Killedmond
Bartholomew born 1 June 1861 bap 7 July 1861
Thomas Henry born 5 Oct 1863 bap 6 Dec 1863 buried 10 Dec 1863
Mary Jane born 8 Oct 1864 bap 14 Nov 1864
Elizabeth Sarah born 1 Dec 1867 bap 28 Aug 1867 buried 14 July 1884 age 17 Kiltennell
Alice Matilda born 8 Apr 1870 bap 12 June 1870
Isabella Anne born 19 Aug 1872 bap 20 Oct 1872 buried 5 May 1874
Thomas Henry born 5 June 1875 bap 22 Aug 1875
Jane (Hogan) Hayes
address:Kiledmond
buried:17 Jan 1879 age:42
Kiltennel,co Carlow COI
William Hayes
address:Killedmond
buried: 28 March 1883 age:67
Kiltennel,co Carlow COI
William Hayes (father of William and grandfather of William)
buried: 22 May 1854
age:75
Kiltennell,co Carlow COI
In the 2 Jan 1834 Voters List I found a John McCabe in Annagar,Old Leighlin who held land valued at £10 so was allowed to vote.He may have been a brother of John's as Patrick McCabe in Griffiths Valuation resides in that townland which may have been passed down to him.
If I may make a couple of suggestions; I would contact groni.ie online and get a copy of William and Hannah's marriage cert to see the names of the mothers which would clear up who the James McCabe in Old Leighlin is. You can order the cert online and groni can e-mail it to you. Also,you could go to your nearest LDS (Latter Day Saints) library and have a look at parish registers for Hayes and McCabes to see if any other info is there. For Dunleckny (which may have info for Old Leighlin) baptisms are from 1 Jan 1820- 27 June 1841 and 1 July 1841- 25 Dec 1857 and marriages from 8 Jan 1820- 26 June 1841 and 8 July 1841-28 Nov 1857. If I can help anymore let me know,Kim
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Wow thank you.
I'm in England so the family Hayes are from my Irish grandmothers side of the family. But I would like to learn more about them tho.
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Thank you Kim.
How do I learn more about the family then and graves and all that. Also one of the Hayes marred a John Joseph Kelly so that's how I know about the Hayes.
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My Irish ancestor is Margaret Hayes married John Joseph Kelly in 1917 Dublin
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Hi, would this be your Margaret?
Birth:
Margarita Hayes
born 1893
Millbank,Lucan,co Dublin
father:Alfred Hayes
mother:Elizabeth Carroll
Kim
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My family are McCabes who migrated to Australia .John McCabe was the name of my gg grandfather who was born in Carlow abt 1800 .Supposedly in O'Loughlin which doesnt exist I have done a bit of research I think it should be Old Leighlin.He married Ellen Butler who died before the family left Ireland.Thomas my g grandfather was born in Castlecomer,Kilkenny.I havent had much luck in my research,but have found this familyof McCabes in Carlow.The names are the same as my family.My ggg grandfather was James McCabe and Thomas had a sister Johanna.Caslecomer isnt that far from this place.So maybe this could be my family.I ve hit a brick wall with research.
Chinka
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My Margaret was born in jan -march 1896 Carlow Kim as she is on the cenus return as you stated before hand it's the generations back from her family I am trying to find. Hope you can help
Chinka really I am wondering if we are cousins somewere alone the line then.
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I have been trying to trace my McCabes for a few years without success.I found this family in Tomnasock recently,it seems to fit but I cant prove the connection at this stage.John McCabe migrated with all his children & grandchildren.So no direct line remained in Ireland.The names are the same as the family in Griffiths.Loughlin,Patrick,Thomas ,Mary,Johanna,James has been used in the family for generations.Margaret was Johns daughter she sponsored their migration.I do have a photo of Thomas my g grandfather.He had black hair & blue eyes,so did Robert Emmett my grandfather,my father,myself & some of the next generation.My fathers cousin was Fr Thomas McCabe who was bishop of Wollongong he had 4 sisters who were nuns.I think there is a strong possibility there is a connection with this family. Chinka
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Hi,
Can you tell me what groni.ie. is ? So I can access my family's records if this is possible.
Thanks ,
Chinka
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Chinka, groni.ie is the Irish website for the General Registrars Office of Northern Ireland who hold the certs of birth,death and marriage for Ireland. You can contact them online and for 4 euro can obtain a cert copy which they can even e-mail to you.Just give them as much info as you can about the person you seek. They are a most helpful group. Hope this helps,Kim
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Hi, sorry about the mixup with Margaret. Was on another line of thought altogether. As I say, contact groni.ie for copies of certs to see if the James McCabe may belong to your line. The thing at the moment about Carlow is, that the Catholic records have not been put online yet. There are only some Protestant records online at the moment on irishgenealogy.ie. For Catholic records, you would either have to go to your nearest LDS library and look at parish records on microfilm, or go to Dublin and go to the National Library which has the registers on microfilm. If you could go to Dublin and down to Carlow, the Carlow Library has extensive material concerning the parish registers and burials/cemeteries in county Carlow. I have checked online cemetery listings but the only one I found is the one for James McCabe that I gave you. Most online cemetery listings are newer ones as they are easier to read plus the fact that older stones are either worn away,hard to read or non existant. It may well be worth a trip on Ryanair to go to the Carlow library. Hope this helps and if I can help more let me know, Kim
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Hi Kim,
Could you please tell me what year that groni would possibly have records from,John McCabe was born abt 1800 I have a couple of variation of dates.So his father James was born before 1800.I may be able to find James death cert. if the date is not too early.I havent been able to find any trace of Ellen McCabe nee Butler,just know she died when Thomas ,who was born in 1848,in
Castlecomer,was very young.Ellen had died before 1853 when some of the family left for Australia.
My family has been trying to trace them for years.A couple of my cousins & myself have been sharing information.We think this is our family the naming patterns are the same.I know some records are unavailable.
Thank you for your help,
Chinka
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=442233.0
Link provides information about birth certs (taken from Ireland Resources board)
"GRONI" refers to Northern Ireland, and "GRO" is for the Republic of Ireland which includes Carlow
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Hi Conahy,
Thankyou for the link a great help.
Chinka
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Hi Chinka, I found a few bits and pieces which may be of help. As to John McCabe b @ 1800,I found the following;
Birth:
John Macabe
father:James Macabe
mother:Anne Kely(actually Kealy)
26 April 1800
Kilmoysin
other siblings:
9 Sept 1787 Anne
29 Sept 1792 Elinor
17 Feb 1796 Bridgt
*these have residence listed as Ballymurphy
by 1824 James is in Old Leighlin according to Tithe Applotment books.
also in same area are the following McCabes;
John McCabe/Mary Doyle:
9 Sept 1785 Michael
29 Apr 1787 Anne
27 Oct 1789 David
31? June 1792 Mary
Michael McCabe/Mary Fenlon:
18 Jan 1796 David
30 Apr 1797 Pat
14 March 1800 Caty
1 Sept 1802 James
5 May 1808 Nelly
23 Feb 1811 Michael & Thomas
Brian McCaby/Bedy Noulan:
19 Feb 1801 Caty
8 Aug 1802 David
8 June 1804 John
25 June 1806 James
8 Feb 1812 Patrick
*records between 1 Feb 1798-Sept 1799 missing
*records between end of 1813-Jan 1825 missing
* no records available before 1796(so in case of John's parents,there probably more children)
Marriage:
10 Nov 1825
St John's,Kilkenny
groom: John McCabe
address:Roe
religion:Roman Catholic
bride:Ellen Butler
address:Roe
religion:Roman Catholic
witnesses: Lot MacCabe/Bridget Donnelly
stipend is £5.1.10
*this is all the info on record so it doesn't help to figure which birth cert may be Ellen's.
children I found in Kilkenny born to John and Ellen:
Patrick 1827
Mary 1829
James 1831
John 1844
*there are probably others-these are the ones that came up for John and Ellen.It is possible some may be listed as just with father's name and "and wife". Also they could be in co Carlow records,the same as death of Ellen @ 1853.
Lastly found 10 different births for Ellen Butler in co Kilkenny;1805,1808,1809,1810,1812.The others would be too late for her to have had son Patrick.
I hope this helps.If I can be of any other help,let me know,Kim
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How do I find more information about Hannah McCabe and William Hayes as written upon Margaret Hayes birth record (new Ross - ballyine)
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Thank you Kim,
This info is wonderful, sorry I havent responded sooner,I've had a busy weekend.I will have to go through all my family history on McCabes to try and work out who of these listed may be my long lost family members. John & Ellen's family is incomplete I do have a full listing of their names & years of birth and it states they were all born St John's Kilkenny.The family all migrated but at different times.They all came to Australia,so we have all info on the family after this.Thank you once again .
Chinka
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Hi Kim ,
Can you tell me where Roe is ? The address of John & Ellen McCabe on wedding cert.
Thanks Chinka
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Hi Chinka,to be honest that one has me stumped. I looked for it all over but could not find anything relating to county Carlow. I even looked under ruadh,which is Irish for red/roe. It must be a name within a townland but I cannot for the life of me find it. I will keep looking. In meantime there are several who know Carlow inside and out. Maybe one of them would know. Sorry couldn't help on this one,Kim
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Looking through the townlands of Co Carlow, there is a place called Ballywilliamroe. Its in the Civil Parish of Dunleckny. Could that have been shortened to Roe?
http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/ Link for townlands
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Thanks for your help Conahy & Kim,
I have looked at Ballywilliamroe. I found Mary,Patrick & Thomas Butler living in Dunleckney in Griffiths.These are the names of John & Ellen (nee Butler) McCabes children.These names are in McCabe families down generations ,my grandfathers had brothers named Patrick & Thomas and a sister Mary. So there is a chance this is right,as it doesnt appear to be toofar from Old Leighlin.
Chinka
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Hi, what kind of info is it that you are looking for? Kim
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Wiilams83,for Hannah McCabe the best thing to do is get her birth cert from groni.ie and start there. As to William Hayes you can look on the website irishgenealogy.ie which has some info about the Hayes family. Kim
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Hi Chinka.
I have noticed that you are extremely well informed about the History of the McCabe family. My great Grandfather was William J McCabe (1866-1950) his parents were James McCabe and Bridgit Berrigan (im sure you already know all the connections). We have pieces of information about the founding members of the family but you seem to have a very detailed breakdown of everything. Is there somewhere I can view what information you have or can I contact you directly? This is my first visit to this site, is there a way of sending private message? my email is (*) I have only recently started working on our family tree on behalf of my Mother Margaret (daughter of Eileen Mcabe who was a daughter of William J McCabe). I wish I actually new all this earlier as I lived in County Offaly, Ireland for 10 years (I married n Irish girl) and I could have researched it whilst I was there.
If you have the time I would really love to hear from you.
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Hi HardieS,
From memory without looking at the family tree,James McCabe married to Bridget Berrigan was my Great Grandfather Thomas McCabes older brother.Thomas was the youngest in the family he migrated with their father John .Have I got this right.
Chinka
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Hi Chinka.
Thanks for your immediate reply.
That looks like it is right to me. As far as I can tell, John and Ellen McCabe had 8 children. Margaret, Patrick, Johanna, Ellen, Bridget, John, Thomas and my Great Great Great Grandfather James who married Bridget Berrigan. They in turn had 12 children - Francis, Ellen, John, Patrick, Mary, James, Thomas, Edward, Peter, Theresa, Michael and William (my Great Great Grandfather). I am curious about the siblings of John McCabe (1804-1879) and details of his parents James and Mary McCabe (where in Kilkenny they are from? relations? etc). I know James and Bridget arrived in Australia on the 17th November 1853 on the "Caroline". I don't know about James' siblings emigration.
Thanks.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
I dont have a lot of info about before they migrated.Margaret looked after the younger children after Ellen died.She came to Australia & married John Conlon,who was a widower with children I have a copy of their marriage cert.He was 20 yrs older.They sponsored John McCabe snr.He arrived in 1860 on 'TUDOR'with the 3 youngest children .Patrick ,his wife Ann & children came earlier with 2 older girls.James & Bridget came with their children.I am just summarising this by memory.John
McCabe was born in Carlow.He lived in Kilkenny,apparently worked in the coalmine at Castlecomer.
The children were apparently born there.If you have 3 posts you can pm me and I can tell you what I know about our branch of the family.Thanks,
Chinka
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John McCabe & Ellen McCabe nee Butler stated when they married that they lived in Roe.Is it possible this is a shortened form of Knockroe ,Kilkenny.They did reside in Kilkenny and their children were born there.
Chinka
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Chinka, there is also a Knockroe within Borris parish in co Carlow which is on the border with Kilkenny so it could be either. Many times you can find people in either Kilkenny or Carlow just as in the south of Carlow you can find them in Carlow or Wexford. Kim
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Thanks Kim ,I found some Butlers in Knockroe,Kilkenny with names that coincide with naming patterns in my family,so will look into it further.But I realise that Butler is a very common name in Kilkenny,I just dont have any info on Ellen Butlers background.I found John McCabes immigration record it states his father is James & mother is Mary and he came from O'Loughlin .I think this is Old Leighlin,Carlow.Found info that states it was called O'Loughlin by the locals .
Chinka