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Title: page family
Post by: spirax on Sunday 01 June 14 10:06 BST (UK)
Hi

I have been away from Rootschat for a while however I am back to trying to work out some family connections - possibly intermarriage.

I have a copy of a marriage certificate for Sarah Page and Charles Page, yes both with the same surname.  Sarah from Marylebone daughter of Sarah Joules and Charles Page and Charles (listed as a Sailor RN at the time of his marriage) from Leicester, son of Charles Page.  They had had six children, William, James, Elizabeth, Emma, Esther and Lilian.

Can anyone shed any light.
 ::)

Spirax
Title: Re: page family
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 01 June 14 10:13 BST (UK)
Any chance of a date or two, to help us out?! ;D ;D


Possibly?
June qtr 1893
Marylebone district    vol 1a, page 1143

Page, Sarah Ann
Page Charles  on the same page!
Title: Re: page family
Post by: spirax on Sunday 01 June 14 10:21 BST (UK)
Oops, sorry about that
Charles and Sarah married 23.4.1893 Hampstead St Stephen the Martyr
Sarah born 7.2.1867 Marylebone and bapised 3.3.1867
Charles born about 1865 Leicester
Sarah's parents, Charles Page  and Sarah Ann Joules
Charles father, also Charles (as on marriage certificate)

Thanks


Title: Re: page family
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 01 June 14 10:45 BST (UK)
1881 census: Class: RG11; Piece: 162; Folio: 33; Page: 13
1 Charles Lane, Marylebone, Middlesex

Page, Sarah  Head  Widow  F  46  Mangling  b Marylebone
Page, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  19  Machinist  b Marylebone
Page, Alice  Daughter  F  17  Servant Unemployed  b Marylebone
Page, Sarah  Daughter  F  14  b Marylebone
Page, Charles  Son  M  11  Scholar  b Marylebone
Page, Louisa  Daughter  F  7  Scholar  b Marylebone


1871 census: Class: RG10; Piece: 185; Folio: 62; Page: 51
Charles Lane, Marylebone, Middlesex

Page, Charles  Head  M  38  Bricklayer  b Hornsey
Page, Sarah A  Wife  F  36  b Marylebone
Page, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  9  b Marylebone
Page, Alice  Daughter  F  7  b Marylebone
Page, Emma  Daughter  F  5  b Marylebone
Page, Sarah Ann  Daughter  F  4  b Marylebone
Page, Charles, Son  M  1  b Marylebone
Title: Re: page family
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 01 June 14 10:59 BST (UK)
On the 1893 marriage cert.
Charles 's dad Charles is a hosier.
Sarah's dad Charles is a bricklayer.
Title: Re: page family
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 01 June 14 11:30 BST (UK)
Young Charles is proving difficult to locate?

There's a Charles West Page - but he is with a wife in 1901 & 1911!
There's a Charles Page, born in Cotesbach - also with a wife in later years!

So, maybe this one?

1871 census: Class: RG10; Piece: 3289; Folio: 91; Page: 16
1 North Gate Street, All Saints, Leicester

Page, Esther  Head  Married  F  42  Seamer of Hose  b Leicester
Page, John  Son  M  12  Nailer Shoe  b Southland
Page, William  Son  M  11  Brickmaker  b Leicester
Page, Charles  Son  M  9  b Leicester
Page, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  4  b Leicester
Page, Charlotte  Daughter  F  11 months  b Leicester
Title: Re: page family
Post by: carol8353 on Sunday 01 June 14 12:57 BST (UK)
Young Charles is a sailor in the Royal Navy in 1893,so maybe he's not on many earlier censuses?
Title: Re: page family
Post by: spirax on Thursday 05 June 14 10:47 BST (UK)
Thank you for the information.  The line I am trying to find is Charles Page, (married Sarah Page 23.4.1893 Hampstead - father's name Charles Page) Born in Leicester, about 1865.  Father named Charles.  I asm trying to work out if they were cousins as there seems to be some mystery as why my father had a copy of the marriage certificate.

Family members hinted there was a family secret.

Spirax
Title: Re: page family
Post by: carol8353 on Thursday 05 June 14 11:16 BST (UK)
In 1881 14 year old Elizabeth Page and 11 year old Charlotte Page appear to be in Leics workhouse.
Together with a 9 year old Hester Page- looks like parents might have both died by then?
Title: Re: page family
Post by: spirax on Thursday 05 June 14 12:43 BST (UK)
Thanks

I will follow that up.
 :)
Title: Re: page family
Post by: spendlove on Thursday 05 June 14 13:07 BST (UK)
Hi,

In 1901 Census Charles Page States he was born St. Margarets Leicester.

You also know that at the time of his marriage he was in R.N.

National Archives has the following information:-

Charles Page Official Number 123176 born 29.5.1867 St. Margarets Leicester.

You can see this on:-
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=D6652543

You can purchase these documents for 3.30 you get them by e-mail have used and it
is great system.

This said I can find no birth registration in Leicester or Leicestershire at this date.

Spendlove
Title: Re: page family
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 05 June 14 13:50 BST (UK)
Maybe Charles was registered under his mother's name?
Or the birth was registered elsewhere, and he just assumed he was born in Leicester?
Title: Re: page family
Post by: [Ray] on Friday 06 June 14 07:46 BST (UK)


?

Charles Page 1865 Apr-May-Jun Lutterworth 7a 2

Title: Re: page family
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 06 June 14 07:47 BST (UK)


?

Charles Page 1865 Apr-May-Jun Lutterworth 7a 2

Quite possibly Ray- Lutterworth is indeed in Leics  ;)
Title: Re: page family
Post by: [Ray] on Friday 06 June 14 08:05 BST (UK)

{ Now I know where Leicester is }

Charles Page
Baptism 16 Apr 1865 Cotesbach (Isn't that Lutterworth?)
Parents George & Anne Page

FHL Film Number:    590870

Seems to rule out my previous post (mutter mutter)

Title: Re: page family
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 06 June 14 08:46 BST (UK)
Young Charles is proving difficult to locate?

There's a Charles West Page - but he is with a wife in 1901 & 1911!
There's a Charles Page, born in Cotesbach - also with a wife in later years!

So, maybe this one?

1871 census: Class: RG10; Piece: 3289; Folio: 91; Page: 16
1 North Gate Street, All Saints, Leicester

Page, Esther  Head  Married  F  42  Seamer of Hose  b Leicester
Page, John  Son  M  12  Nailer Shoe  b Southland
Page, William  Son  M  11  Brickmaker  b Leicester
Page, Charles  Son  M  9  b Leicester
Page, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  4  b Leicester
Page, Charlotte  Daughter  F  11 months  b Leicester


KG found this family in 1871,but I can't see a birth for any of them- maybe they were allergic to registering them  8)

And the girls seem to be in the workhouse in 1881. Although can't see a death for mum between 71 and 81.

Although this Charles is too old to be the one that Spendlove found in the Navy,born May 1867  ???
Title: Re: page family
Post by: [Ray] on Friday 06 June 14 10:01 BST (UK)
Hi

As per Kev's find . . . . .
    1871 census: Class: RG10; Piece: 3289; Folio: 91; Page: 16
    1 North Gate Street, All Saints, Leicester

    Page, Esther  Head  Married  F  42  Seamer of Hose  b Leicester
    Page, John  Son  M  12  Nailer Shoe  b Southland
    Page, William  Son  M  11  Brickmaker  b Leicester
    Page, Charles  Son  M  9  b Leicester
    Page, Elizabeth  Daughter  F  4  b Leicester
    Page, Charlotte  Daughter  F  11 months  b Leicester


Northgate Street is a couple of streets away from St Margarets Church, St Margaret's Way
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.6408932,-1.1385966,17z


As per Spendlove's post . . . . .
Charles Page Official Number 123176 born 29.5.1867 St. Margarets Leicester.


So looking at tha age gaps between the 3 youngest children.
Charlotte Page 1870 Q3 Leicester 7a 243 (7m in 1871)
Elizabeth Page 1867 Q1 Leicester 7a 104 (4y in 1871)
Charles   Page 1864 Q3 Leicester 7a 165 seems the closest "match"




Ray


 
Title: Re: page family
Post by: spendlove on Friday 06 June 14 10:50 BST (UK)
Hi,

1881 Census RG11/3146; Folio: 154; Page: 42;
Sheepshed Leicestershire

Page Charles 15 apprentice FWK (frame work knitter) Wool    born Leicestershire.

If you look at the actual Census Sheet, the place of birth is Leicester, Leicestershire.
Have submitted correction.

 Odd because Frame work knitting ties in with his Father's stated occupation Hosier per
marriage certificate.

Spendlove
Title: Re: page family
Post by: carol8353 on Friday 06 June 14 10:57 BST (UK)

 Odd because Frame work knitting ties in with his Father's stated occupation Hosier per
marriage certificate.

Spendlove

I suppose if you lived there then nearly all the jobs would be to do with the sock/stocking making industry. The same as if you lived in Wales you'd nearly all be coalminers,or Lancashire ,working in a cotton mill. Northamptonshire are all cobblers.......or were back then  ;D
Title: Re: page family
Post by: spendlove on Friday 06 June 14 11:11 BST (UK)
Hi,

Not everyone in Leicester was involved with Hosiery, however if you expand the connection:-

In 1871 Esther states she is still Married, by 1881 she is a widow

Per FreeBMD
Sept Q 1852 Leicester  7a 299

Charles Page = Esther Haywood

1861 Census RG 9; Piece: 2292; Folio: 61; Page: 7
St. Margarets, Leicester

Page Charles  33 (1828) Stocking Frame Work Knitter    Leicester
Page Hester   33            Cotton Winder                           "
Page John        3                                                            " (not Scotland as stated in 1871)
Page William     1                                                            "

So on the evidence think it more than likely these are the Parents of Charles Page.

Question is where is Charles Page Snr in 1881 Census.

Spendlove

Title: Re: page family
Post by: [Ray] on Saturday 07 June 14 09:20 BST (UK)
Hi

For the notes pile, in case relevant to the St Margarets Charles+Esther/Hester . . . . .

1852 Sep Leicester 7a 299 Charles PAGE / Esther HAYWOOD

Ray