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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: wrjones on Sunday 01 June 14 22:16 BST (UK)
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I'm interested in an Abel Lewis given in the 1881 Census as born in Llanfihangel Merionethshire? in c 1825.He is shown as married to a Jane who is given as born in Llandderfel Merionethshire in c 1830.They are showing as living at Sun Inn Cottages,Trevor Uchaf Llangollen Denbighshire.
RG11/5540/88/22.
I have included this on the Denbighshire Board as most of events of interest with their descendants occur in Denbighshire.First of all it appears that Abel married a Jane Richards in the Wrexham District of Denbighshire in 1856,given on North Wales BMD perhaps unfortunately as a "Wrexham Civil Marriage"!
Of their children I am especially interested in their son Thomas Robert given as born in c 1871 in Llangollen.It appears that this Thomas Robert was to marry a Sarah Jones in 1897 in what is again given on North Wales BMD as a "Corwen Civil Marriage".This Sarah is given as born in Llangollen in c 1874 in the 1901 Census where Thomas Robert and Sarah are living at Ty Capel(Chapel House) Trevor,Llangollen Denbighshire.
RG13/5248/77/1.
Now again the son I'm interested in of Thomas R and Sarah is Idris born in 1907 in Trevor Denbighshire.Idris Lewis was to marry an Elsie May Williams in the Wrexham District in 1928 given again as a "Wrexham Civil Marriage" on North Wales BMD.
Coming to the "punchline" now,one of Idris and Elsie M's children who I can't name obviously is reputed to be a descendant of my Gabriel family but given on what I have I can't see any obvious link.I of course would very much welcome any thoughts on all this!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Hi WR
What exactly are you wanting to know?
Gadget
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Thanks Gadget,I'm looking for any links to my Gabriel family that I can find with any of the names I mentioned.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I assumre that you've done searchings on Idris and Elsie May. A pity about the 'civil' marriage. Is it worth trying to contact the children to see if they know how they are related to the Gabriels.
Given that we can't mention living people, 'tis a bit difficult to say much here :-\
Gadget
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Thanks,I admit it isn't helped be the Civil Marriages.Its rather a stupid one really in that I've mentioned it to the "living person" after someone else alerted me to the connection and although he also had been told the same he doesn't know it exactly.
As for the "someone else" it is someone quite frankly I see but once in a blue moon!Also someone who is ex-directory just to help matters.lol
Idris is the Grandson of the Abel Lewis.Now Elsie May Williams is I think the daughter of an Edward and Sarah Williams?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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The Edward Williams I spoke of looks highly likely to have married a Sarah Hughes at Llanrhaidr-Ym-Mochnant St Dogfan in 1886.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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A few Elsie M(ay)s here - first 7 listed:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0121b/
Do you have a death reg for her that would show an age/DoB?
Gadget
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Elsie May Lewis is showing as dying in 1995 with a DOB 15/05/1908.This relates to an Elsie May Williams born in the June Qtr of 1908 in the Wrexham District.It also relates to someone on Ancestry listed as born in the rather strange place of Ap Denbighshire in 1911.lol
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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;D
I see how it could have been interpreted as Ap but it's clearly Cefn to those of us in the know ;)
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From that the Llanraidr Y M marriage looks a good favourite!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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It doesn't look too promising a trail does it?lol
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Interesting character the Idris Lewis given as born in the Corwen District in 1906.There is a death of an Idris Lewis in the Corwen District in 1907 with birth given c 1907.Yet he shows in 1911 aged 4?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Interesting character the Idris Lewis given as born in the Corwen District in 1906.There is a death of an Idris Lewis in the Corwen District in 1907 with birth given c 1907.Yet he shows in 1911 aged 4?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
Must have been two. I'll have a look. Corwen was a very large RD in those days.
May I have your permission to look into your web/tree - is the password the same? It's to refresh my memory on the Gabriels.
Gadget
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FreeBMD has the following Corwen RD birth regs for an Idris Lewis around 1906/7
June q 1906 - 11b 346
June q 1907 - 11b 340
Also one in Wrexham June q, 1906 - 11b 240
NorthWales BMD have the 1906 Corwen one as Llangollen and the Wrexham one as Ruabon. The 1907 one is Corwen, as is the death.
Gadget
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Thanks,yes the password is still the same!Now looking on Ancestry there is one birth for an Idris Lewis in the Corwen District and one showing in the Wrexham District.Talking of the Gabriel family there a few people that I have with a second name of Lewis.Though with such info as I have there is no obvious reason as to why they should have been so named.There being no Gabriel/Lewis marriage.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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I think you missed my birth reg info, WR :
FreeBMD has the following Corwen RD birth regs for an Idris Lewis around 1906/7
June q 1906 - 11b 346
June q 1907 - 11b 340
Also one in Wrexham June q, 1906 - 11b 240
NorthWales BMD have the 1906 Corwen one as Llangollen and the Wrexham one as Ruabon. The 1907 one is Corwen, as is the death.
Gadget
It could have been someone who married a Gabriel and was related to the Lewises or the Williams. These distant relationships are the worst to find .
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Thanks,I can only repeat that there is only the one Idris Lewis birth showing in Corwen on Ancestry.Its so much more difficult now the was the search is set up.As used to be the case you were able to enter,lets say Lewis births and able to put the specific Registration District in the search box which is no longer the case!I'm told it may well relate to the family of Ann Gabriel(1858) who was to marry a William Griffiths in 1875.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Fair enough I see the two Idris Lewis births now!It explains the death!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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No. The 1907 death was the Corwen 1907 birth.
The Ruabon and Llangollen ones seem to have survived a bit longer.
Added - use Freebmd and then NorthWalesBMD - much better than the pay ones
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Well I'm only finding the 1959 death?One person I'm not finding after the 1901 Census is the Elizabeth Ann Griffiths showing as married to an Albert Price with a daughter Edith Drusilla born in 1900.
RG13/5218/133/36.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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It should read Alfred Price!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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They married in 1899 in yet another Wrexham Civil Marriage!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Sorry had a phone call. Here's what I started writing:
From the 1911 free index, there are two Idris Lewis b.c. 1906/7 in our area - one in Rhos and one in Llangollen.
Gadget
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Yes thanks I've seen the both in 1911.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Going back to the Elizabeth Ann Griffiths who married Alfred Price she could well have died in 1905.No sign of the Alfred or Edith D in 1911?
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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Well I'm only finding the 1959 death?One person I'm not finding after the 1901 Census is the Elizabeth Ann Griffiths showing as married to an Albert Price with a daughter Edith Drusilla born in 1900.
RG13/5218/133/36.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
The 1959 death matches a burial in Rhosymedre, Elizabeth Ann Price, aged 29 was also buried there. There's a death in 1936 for an Albert Price (b.c. 1880) in Wrexham/Rhos.
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Thanks for the info about the 1959 death and the info about the Elizabeth Ann Price.It was an Alfred Price she married.The fact that Elizabeth Ann died does tally with the 1911 entry for her father.Though having said that I'm deeply suspicous of it as it says they had 23 children,16 of whom had died!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
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But you said Albert!
Well I'm only finding the 1959 death?One person I'm not finding after the 1901 Census is the Elizabeth Ann Griffiths showing as married to an Albert Price with a daughter Edith Drusilla born in 1900.
RG13/5218/133/36.
Regards
William Russell Jones.
Was the Alfred born circa 1874 - if so there's a possible in Brymbo in 1938.
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It should read Alfred Price!
Regards
William Russell Jones.
Thanks,sorry I did correct myself.lol
Regards
William Russell Jones.