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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Caernarvonshire => Topic started by: 100%Gog on Friday 06 June 14 12:50 BST (UK)
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I am interested in any information anybody has about Cilmelyn Farm in Penrhosgarnedd, Bangor.
My ancestors farmed Cilmelyn between the 1880's and 1970's. The farm was located on the site where Ysbyty Gwynedd is now positioned. The land was sold in about 1978 to make way for the new hospital. I believe the land may originally have been owned by the Vaynol (Faenol) Estate but I am not too sure.
On census records between 1881 and 1911 there are two farms called Cilmelyn however, one was actually called Cae Ysgubor Wen and the other Cilmelyn, my ancestors farmed Cilmelyn.
I would be pleased to hear from anyone who can give me any information on this farm during the time of my ancestors or before and after.
Many thanks,
100%Gog
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I know the family that lived on Cae Ysgubor Wen but not the Cilmelyn farm. I'll ask the family I know when I see them. The hospital was built directly on top of Cae Ysgubor and I thought the farmhouse and a couple of fields of Cilmelin still survived on the Easterly side of the hospital
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Thanks for the information any feedback you can give will be appreciated. If you mention the family's name at Cilmelyn was Owen it may ring a bell.
Some of the fields are still there but the Cilmelyn farmhouse has also gone. The location of the farmhouse is where the cancer and renal units are now. There is also a housing development near the hospital which is called Cae Cilmelyn,
100%Gog
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Hi Gareth
I just spoke with my auntie, age 82, in Wrexham. She says she knew the elderly lady from the Cilmelyn farm and when she and my uncle first moved there (before the hospital) she used to walk across the fields with the lady. She remembers that the farmer and his wife built a bungalow behind my uncle and aunt's house after they sold the farm. She thinks there is a road there now with a newer housing estate of bigger houses.
H
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Hi H
I recall the family mentioned that a new bungalow was built not far from the farm. My grand uncle was about the last full time farmer at Cilmelyn and he died in the late 1960's.
Not sure who the old lady might be I'm guessing it might be my grand aunt but there was two farms at Cilmelyn (Cilmelyn and Ysgybor Wen) so they may have been from the other farm.
I spent part of my youth in Penrhosgarnedd and it has changed a lot since I was a kid. My ancestors lived in a number of properties around this area over the past 150 years but these have all gone and replaced with new estates.
G
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Welsh Newspapers on line -
http://welshnewspapers.llgc.org.uk/en/home
Have found several references to Cilmelyn Farm and Cae Ysgubor Wen
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Thanks for the link.
The references seem to be mainly around my g-grandfather and his wide spectrum of skills, from guardian of the poor to selling dodgy cows. This still runs in the family....well the latter does anyway ;D
The advertisements on the purchase of farm stock and the lease of farm land at Cilmelyn in 1887 might be connected with the time my family first took over the farm.
Diolch,
100%Gog
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My Nain is the daughter of Cilmelyn Farm and my Uncle and Auntie still lives in the newer bunglow, which my parents lived there before moving to Llyn.
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Hi 1catrin1,
Thanks for the message!
If your Nain is who I think she is then she is my father's first cousin. So we are related ;D
I will send you a personal message to confirm this.
100%Gog
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Hi 1catrin1,
I have tried to send you a personal message but unfortunately you will need to make 3 posts before I can do that.
Regards
100%Gog
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Hi!
For some reason I cannot reply to messages!! Yes I am the granddaughter of Morfydd Roberts (Owen). My father is Alwyn Roberts and his brother is Iwan Roberts. Iwan is living in the 'newer bunglow'. Will be visiting Nain tomorrow, so looking forward to telling her that I've come across this thread.
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just seen your messages, oh that's why i can't post! It seems that our family is getting bigger:)
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Hi,
Just going through some old photos and found this one. Probably mid 30's. I'd have to ask mum for more details. but this is my father, John Kenneth Williams with his uncle Owen John, at Cilmelyn.
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Hi,
I think you are right with the 1930's date as it fits in with the records I have for the farms at Cilmelyn.
There were two farms both of which carried the name Cilmelyn. One was just called Cilmelyn and was with the Owen family (my family) and the other was Cilmelyn (Ysgubor Wen) which was the Williams family (your family).
I have a record from the 1939 register which shows a Hugh and Gwladys Williams and a John K Williams living at Cilmelyn (Ysgubor Wen). Hugh Williams is recorded as a Butcher and John K Williams is recorded as being at school at the time.
As I have said in earlier posts both farms have now gone and replaced by Ysbyty Gwynedd.
100%Gog
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Thanks that fits exactly with what I know of the family history. Dad (John Kenneth) was born in 1927, and living on the farm when his mother died when he was about 11. What happened to the farm after that I am unsure. Taid joined the merchant navy, my father was at the grammar school and stayed with various aunts. Started work for the Post Office, something electrical I think, then left for England when he was 19.
Nice to fill in little bits of the puzzle. Thanks.
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100%Gog,
Have you checked Welsh Journals (on line) for Cilmenyn/Ysgubor wen?
"hwntw cant y cant"!!