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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Sussex => England => Sussex Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Romilly on Monday 09 June 14 08:01 BST (UK)
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Does anyone know how I can access these Records please?
'East Grinstead Burial Registers (1599-1900)
Burial registers are the primary source for death documentation before 1837, though are relevant to the present. They record the date someone was buried, their age & residence'.
I found a Link to them on:
http://forebears.co.uk/england/sussex/east-grinstead
But when I click on it, - it just says, 'Not found'.
I am trying to find a Burial Location for Amelia Pattenden who was Buried in East Grinstead on the 1st May 1869.
Cheers, Romilly.
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Burial registers for East Grinstead are available on FindMyPast.
First entry on a search I did was for Amelia Pattenden, born 1791, died 1869.
Also on the National Burial Index.
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Burial registers for East Grinstead are available on FindMyPast.
First entry on a search I did was for Amelia Pattenden, born 1791, died 1869.
Also on the National Burial Index.
Yes thanks, - I know. I have FindMyPast.
What I am trying to find is the Location of her Burial.
Burial Services
East Grinstead Town Council is the burial authority for the parish of East Grinstead, and two public cemeteries are situated within its area of responsibility. The original cemetery located at West Hill, known as Queens’ Road cemetery was opened in 1869, and remained the main cemetery for the town until the new cemetery at Mount Noddy started to accept burials in 1916. Over the following 30 years Mount Noddy assumed a greater role, and with the eventual closure for new earthen graves at Queens’ Road in the 1960’s, Mount Noddy became the main cemetery for East Grinstead.
Romilly.
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First entry on a search I did was for Amelia Pattenden, born 1791, died 1869.
That result takes you to the GRO index
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First entry on a search I did was for Amelia Pattenden, born 1791, died 1869.
That result takes you to the GRO index
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But it doesn't give the Burial location does it? Just the Ref for the Death Cert, - or am I wrong?
Romilly.
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You are right, It just gives the reference for the death certificate.
familysearch has the burial
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J835-8Y9
Film number produces this
Bishop's transcripts for East Grinstead, 1606-1899
Author-Church of England. Parish Church of East Grinstead
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Hi Rosie,
Thanks for the further details.
Am I correct in thinking that you have to go to an LDS Family History Centre to view their records? Or can you order on-line?
I've written to the West Sussex County Archive in Chichester asking if they hold the Bishop's Transcripts for Burials too. (I think that this Ref relates to Bishop's Transcripts: GS Film number: 1041581)
Romilly
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Is this the source?
http://www.parishchest.com/east_grinstead_st._swithun_parish_registers__P93595
cd produced by the Parish Register Transcription Society
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You could order them online though they changed the 'goal posts' and said you had to be over 50 miles from a family history centre. I haven't ordered any recently to see how rigid they are with that. Worth a try :)
https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services
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Is this the source?
http://www.parishchest.com/east_grinstead_st._swithun_parish_registers__P93595
cd produced by the Parish Register Transcription Society
Dawn, - I've searched the online Site for St Swithins Burials, and Amelia Pattenden doesn't seem to be there. (Although there seems to be space left on William's Gravestone, - perhaps he intended her to go there too?)
I've also emailed Sackville College Almshouses to see whether they would have arranged Inmate's Burials in 1869...
And so there aren't many stones that I've left unturned! ;)
But it would be good to find the one for Amelia, - (if she had one).
Romilly.
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http://www.parishchest.com/east_grinstead_st._swithun_parish_registers__P93595
cd produced by the Parish Register Transcription Society
Like most PRTSociety transcripts, those for East Grinstead are available online, at modest price.
http://prtsoc.frontisgroup.com/bin/index.php
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http://www.parishchest.com/east_grinstead_st._swithun_parish_registers__P93595
cd produced by the Parish Register Transcription Society
Like most PRTSociety transcripts, those for East Grinstead are available online, at modest price.
http://prtsoc.frontisgroup.com/bin/index.php
Thanks for that Bookbox.
I've filled out & submitted the form for the LDS, - but if I draw a blank with that, - I will try them.
Romilly.
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I have today recieved a copy of the Parish Register Burial Details for my 4x G/Grandmother, Amelia Pattenden from the LDS.
I'm very impressed, - no charge, & very quick!
Unfortunately, Amelia is buried in the (closed) Queens Road Cemetery in East Grinstead. (£15.00 for a 'supervised visit').
Romilly.
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I have today recieved a copy of the Parish Register Burial Details for my 4x G/Grandmother, Amelia Pattenden from the LDS.
I'm very impressed, - no charge, & very quick!
I am amazed how quickly you received it. It is good to know that they are still responding to these queries.
£15 for a supervised visit, that is disgusting. I know these cemeteries need preserving and maintaining but that much to visit a dead relative. On the plus side at least it is being looked after.
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Hi Rosie,
The sad thing is I don't think the Cemetery is being looked after:-(
The gates are padlocked, but apparantly it's on a very overgrown slope, and many of the graves are difficult to locate... Vandals have destroyed some gravestones, etc...
And so even if you pay the fee, - there's no guarantee that you'll be able to locate your relative's grave.
I remember a similar situation with the Nunhead Graveyard in SE London, but believe that it was resolved by the creation of a 'Friends of' Society; which did a general clearing & maintenance job. It's a shame that East Grinstead don't have a similar scheme.
Romilly.
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Hi Romilly
I am sad to hear that it isn't looked after. So many graveyards are unkempt and vandalised, then there are those that the powers that be authorise to be dug up.
I have a gt gt g'parent in Nunhead but have never thought of establishing where he was buried, I doubt he had a headstone. Maybe one day I'll visit.
Rosie
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Hi Romilly
I am sad to hear that it isn't looked after. So many graveyards are unkempt and vandalised, then there are those that the powers that be authorise to be dug up.
I have a gt gt g'parent in Nunhead but have never thought of establishing where he was buried, I doubt he had a headstone. Maybe one day I'll visit.
Rosie
You can look here, Rosie:
http://www.fonc.org.uk/gravesite-search.html
Best Wishes, Romilly.
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Hi Romilly,
I am the Cemetery Officer for East Grinstead Town Council (my e-mail address can be found on our website) i randomly came across your post while researching Queens Road Cemetery (particularly for old photographs) to assist in seeking extra funding to support a "Friends of East Grinstead Cemeteries" group which i am keen to set up. Whilst i can assure you that none of the graves have been vandalised, the cemetery is indeed currently closed due to health & safety issues caused by overgrowth and wildlife. However, I am more than happy to arrange a time for you to visit with me (at no cost) during working hours. I thought you may also want to know i was able to locate the grave number for Amelie by searching through our burial records - number 266 and as you correctly identified she was laid to rest on the 1st of May.
I have only been in this role for 6 months but i am immensely passionate about restoring Queens road and maintaining it for future generations - its part of our heritage and needs to come back into the community :)
If i can help further please don't hesitate to get in touch.
Kindest regards,
Sarah
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Hi Sarah,
Many thanks for replying to my Post re: Queens Road Cemetery, East Grinstead.
I am so pleased to hear that the Cemetery is going to be looked after. I would be most interested to visit, and will give some thought as to when might be possible. (I am in SW Hertfordshire).
Which part of the Cemetery is Amelia Pattenden's grave located in? (I have a map of the Cemetery, showing the different areas). I also found that a 5yr old Granddaughter of Amelia Pattenden, (Surname DYER) was later Buried in the same grave. (I will look out the Christian name and date later).
Romilly.
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Amelia Pattenden's, (Neè Dearling) Granddaughter, who is Buried with her, was:
Charlotte Mary Dyer, child of William and Ellen Dyer, Born East Grinstead 1873, Died January 1878, East Grinstead, Age 5yrs.
Romilly.
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Hi Romilly,
Not a problem - happy to help! Once you know when you want to visit, get in touch and we'll get something arranged, I'm fully expecting it to be a challenge locating the grave sadly with the current overgrowth but we'll find it I'm sure. Amelie's grave is in 'Section A' of the Cemetery.
I can confirm that Charlotte Mary Dyer aged 5 is indeed with Amelie, she was buried on March 21st 1878 - she is noted as 'carpenters daughter' - As you will appreciate the italic writing is hard to read but Charlotte's location of death looks to be 'London Road, East Grinstead, Near Imberh. Nursery' (I'm guessing this maybe Imberhorne but i cant say for definite.
I have no past experience with East Grinstead so i'm learning rapidly to get up to speed with the Town's vast and amazing history - i gather there are some "people of note" from historic East Grinstead but i also want to learn more about everyday life stories too - everybody counts :)
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Hi Again Sarah,
Thanks for confirming the dates for poor little Charlotte Dyer. Yes, it would have been Imberhorne. William Pattenden's, (husband of Amelia) family owned land around there.
For some reason, William Pattenden is Buried in the Churchyard of St Swithun's Church in the High Street, East Grinstead, but Amelia isn't with him. (William's grave is the first gravestone nearest the church door). Amelia Pattenden Died in the Sackville Almshouses, (also in the High Street) and I gave them a copy of William Pattenden's Will a few years back now. They are also on my list to visit when I come to East Grinstead!
Best Wishes,
Romilly.
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Hi Romilly,
Not a problem - glad to have been able to help a little.
Kindest regards,
Sarah
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Hi Sarah
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
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Thank you for any help you can give.
Dawn
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Hi Dawn,
Not a problem - i'm more than happy to help with looking at burial records - As you have so astutely put it, being the only Cemetery Officer for East Grinstead means time is not always on my side! Unfortunately we have to charge for lengthy research (that likely involve me donning old clothes and rummaging through basement archives) but this charged in half hourly units.
For anything else simple where i have at least an approximate date of death and an idea of name i'm happy just to take a brief look.
In addition to contacting our local museum (on my "to do" list) would you know a good starting point for me to obtain photos of the cemetery and learn about those buried at Queens Road? It probably sounds incredibly sentimental (which i'm afraid i am!) but it saddens me having all of these records and having no clue as to the stories behind the names.
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One suggestion would be looking through local newspapers to see if there are any newsworthy deaths resulting in a burial with you (mayors, councillors, well-known/respected trades people, tragic accident victims)
Could you ask your local studies service for help with this (pull strings)?
https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/leisure-recreation-and-community/history-and-heritage/local-studies-in-libraries/
West Sussex library service does give access to some family history sites but not the British Newspaper Archive which is a stand alone site or accessed through a FindMyPast personal, not library, subscription although it is listed as being available at the library :-\
https://www.westsussex.gov.uk/libraries/elibrary-electronic-library/einformation-the-online-reference-library/family-history/
I'm not 'local' so can't help with anything more specific, but you are more than welcome to start a new topic on the Sussex General board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/sussex/
our topics are indexed very quickly by internet robots and anyone searching for the search terms you have used will be directed here.
As explained before, we don't ever delete topics unless they breach our guidelines for posting.
http://www.rootschat.com/help/posting_guide.php
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Hi Sarah,
When I first started looking at the East Grinstead side of my Mother's family, someone did send me some grave inscriptions of Pattenden Graves in the Queens Road Cemetery. Unfortunately I haven't saved the sender info, but I'll copy what I have here if that is of any help:
George Pattenden Grave Photo
All the legible names shown on the George Pattenden grave monument
(GPR grave number 133107 - image name 3579)
Queens Road Cemetery
East Grinstead
Sussex
England full name age birth year burial year relationship
George Pattenden
Jane Pattenden 1939 daughter of George Pattenden
Sarah Simmonds 83 1867 1950 daughter of George Pattenden
Sydney H Simmonds son-in-law of George Pattenden
Harriet Mary Pattenden 93 1872 1965 daughter of George Pattenden.
I found the Local History Museum in East Grinstead very helpful when I first visited, but on further visits they always seemed to be closed. (I do hope that they haven't closed down altogether). They helped me to locate 'The Old Pest House', where my GreatGrandmother Frances Dyer lived when she was a child. It was originally an isolation cottage, for cases of scarlet fever, etc, but by the 1860's had been sold off as a private dwelling. It's still there, but now a Grade 2 Listed house:
https://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101277609-pest-house-east-grinstead#.W0ddW9VKi6I
I also have a photo of the model of it; which was part of a display at the Museum there.
I also found the Felbrigge Family History Group very helpful, and they sent me some info on my 6xGreatGrandfather William Pattenden's Brewery; which I still have somewhere...
I also had much help from the Administrator at The Sackville Almshouses in East Grinstead High Street, and from St Swithuns Church, also in the High Street.
As Dawn suggests, if you Post on the Sussex Board on here, under a title such as 'Were any of your ancestors buried at the Queens Road Cemetery in East Grinstead?', I'm sure that lots of people will tell you their family stories! After lots of detective work, and much help from on here... I was able to follow my Pattenden family back to Jeremiah Pattenden in 1604, although I'm stuck with some of the Dyers...(!)
I can certainly pass on to you the info that I have on Amelia Pattenden and her Granddaughter Charlotte Mary Dyer, Buried together in the same grave at Queens Road Cemetery, if you would like it.
Best Wishes, Romilly.