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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Leicestershire => Topic started by: KazzeeH on Tuesday 10 June 14 06:21 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
I'm new to these boards, however I've been researching my family history for many years. I have currently hit a stumbling block while trying to locate the parents of my 4x great grandparent John and Sarah Timbrell.
John Timbrell married Sarah Baker in 1798 at Orton on the Hill. I was wondering if anyone would be able to advise me on how I might discover the names of both their father's (if there were entered on the marriage certificate) and possibly where they were living at the time? I have been unable to find anything on Ancestry as any Timbrell information appears to be very limited.
John and Sarah's marriage was a short one, sadly he died in 1801.
Thank you in advance for any help you may be able to offer me. Very much appreciate it.
Karen
Australia.
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Hi Karen ...
A warm welcome to Rootschat!
The baptism records for Orton-on-the-Hill can be found on the Family Search website, but unfortunately there's no sign of John or Sarah.
Fathers' names were rarely included in marriage records pre-1837, you really need to find baptism records for each of them. It's probably a case of getting a map of Leicestershire parishes (almost certain to be one online!) and working outwards from Orton-on-the-Hill. Use Family Search and the website www.freereg.org.uk to see if they have the relevant parish records.
Just two further thoughts:
Is John buried in Orton-on-the-Hill or elsewhere?
There is a Sarah "KIMBERLIN" (corrected to TIMBRELL), a widow born c1780, living in Sheepy Parva, Leicestershire, on the 1851 census. Her birthplace is recorded as Anseley, Warwickshire. (In case it's of use, there are other members of the TIMBRELL family on the same page of the census.)
Hope this may give you some leads to follow!
Pennie
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Have looked again at that census page included Sarah "KIMBERLIN". In one of the other families, the children's birthplaces are recorded as Orton-on-the-Hill and Anseley(?), Warwickshire.
Is there any clue worth chasing up in the names of witnesses to John and Sarah's marriage?
Pennie
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Hi Pennie, thank you for the welcome and information. You have found the correct Sarah Timbrell born in Ansley. We have been quite lucky in finding information on Sarah after John's death, however not so lucky with John who died so soon after they married. He is buried in Sheepy Magna, however a relative believes he may have been born in Polesworth. Finding witnesses to their marriage could be very helpful as they may have been related.
Thanks again for your help.
Regards
Karen.
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Why don't you post on the Leic board - it might be that someone is going to the records office and will be able to look up the marriage registration cert for you.
It won't give parents' names, but it will say if either party was not from Orton, and hopefully the witness names will be legible and useful.
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Hi Annie
When I joined I was going to post on the Leicestershire board but it told me to make my first post here. Can you have the same post on two boards at the same time?
Thanks
Karen :)
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I don't think duplicate posts are smiled upon -- But the suggestion to post here is only an invitation, not a demand!! :D
Give it a day or so and then if you don't get any more responses on here, try the Leic board; or even just link a post on the Leic board to this one so it's not actually duplicated.
Moderator comment: moved to Leicestershire. ;)
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Thanks Annie
Seems it's been moved to the appropriate board. :)
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Hi
The marriage details are:
Orton on the Hill
25-Mar 1798 By Banns
Thomas Timbral (sic) of Sheepy, Bachelor, and Sarah Barber (sic) of this Parish, Spinster.
The records i have say Thomas rather than John for the Orton marriage.
Regards
TB
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Oooo That's very interesting information Truebrit, thank you. I'll have to contact my relative who gave me the information I have. I too have March 25 as the day of John and Sarah's marriage. We also have some of the marriages of their children and John is cited as their father. Time for a rethink....
Thank you again for the info :)
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It may of course be a transcription error and therefore if anyone here could check the original record to confirm names that would be great.
All the best
TB
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Thanks Annie
I was wondering if it could be a transcribing error too. Can I ask if you found the entry for this marriage online? I have searched the FreeReg and familysearch and so far found nothing. I'm not sure where else I can look.
Thanks again
Karen :)
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1841 Census has a Sarah Timbrell born 1776 in Sheeepy Parva, NOT born in County
Next door is a Charles Timbrell age 25 and Wife
+ her Son Thomas and Wife Jane and Family
I have no idea if this Charles is related but he has a second Marriage Reg March 1854, Atherstone, 6d 355, to Dorothy BASSET, they are already living as Husband/Wife in 1851 Census in Sheepy.
F/S has;
Thomas TIMBUL Christened 19 October 1800, Sheepy Magna to JOHN/SARAH
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JOHN and MARY Timbrel, 15 March 1811, Sheepy M, Mother SARAH Timbrel
This may be Mary in 1841 in Hinkley, Leics;
John Hasbrook, 30
Mary Hasbrook, 30
William Hasbrook, 15
Sarah Hasbrook, 12
George Hasbrook,9
Ann Hasbrook, 2
John HASBROOK Married Mary TIMBREL, 16 Nov 1824, Sheepy Magna (F/S.Org)
1851 they are under ALSBROOK and Mary is born c 1802 Sheepy
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Thank you for the information Trish. Most of it was past onto me my a distant cousin except the 1851 census with Mary and John Hasbrook/Alsbrook. That was a great find thank you. Mary's birth however differs a bit from the info I have but it slots in nicely with Sarah's other children. My Timbrell research it becoming somewhat of an interesting story and a great challenge.
Thanks again
Karen :)
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Have a micofiche for Sheepy Magna, Mary was 4, Thomas 3 when baptised. You probably know already but if I can look ay anything else for Sheepy let me know, baptisms are to 1812
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Thank You Willsy
That is fantastic information that I didn't have. Did you happen to notice the year they were baptised? Information I have has Thomas being the eldest brother. If you happen to find any other Timbrells baptised before 1812 I'd be most interested in their info as well..
Many thanks. Much appreciated
Karen
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Will have a look later and burials for you
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Couldn't find the surname before these dates
Burials
Mary Timbrel Mar 9th 1798
William Timbrel an infant Mar 22 1799
John Timbrel Sept 22 1801
Baptisms
Thomas son of John and Sarah Timbril Oct 19 1800
Mary daughter bastard of Sarah Timbrel being of that time 4 years of age Mar 15 1811
John son bastard of Sarah Timbrel being of that time 3 years of age Mar 15 1811
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so -- John died and Sarah subsequently had Mary and Thomas out of wedlock?
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Thank you Willsy
Wonderful information..It appears I have another child to add to Sarah's ever growing list.
I'm very grateful for all your help. Much appreciated.
Karen :)
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Annie
It would seem Sarah actually only ever had two children while married, William and Thomas. After John died in 1801 she had 8 more children out of wedlock, all brought up at Timbrells. She was a busy woman.
Karen