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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Sligo => Topic started by: Frank2 on Sunday 15 June 14 23:16 BST (UK)
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Hi, I'm looking for info on my g-g-grandmother, Mary McGinnis, who was born in county Silgo abt 1868. However, I have found conflicting sources listing her maiden name as Collins and Kilhullen as well as McGinnis, so I'm not sure what she would be found under in a birth record. I've also had conflicting info on her father's name, either Patrick McGinnis or John Collins/Kilhullen. Her mother was Jane Linny according to her death record. The name Patrick McGinnis is found in her obituary as well as siblings' marriage records, and John Collins is found on her own marriage record, as well as her own name being listed as Collins. John Kilhullen is found on her death record. As you can imagine this is pretty confusing. I do know these records are all of the same person, though. She immigrated to Carbondale, PA around 1876 and married John F. Peterson, and all of these records list him as the spouse and are located in the Carbondale area. So if anyone could find any records of her in Ireland that could point one way or the other, or any other info, that would be a huge help.
Thanks very much.
Frank
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Hello Frank and welcome :)
Do you have these records (https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_place%3ARathlee~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3APatrick~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3AJane~%20%2Bmother_surname%3ALinny~)?
Do you have Mary in US census with her family?
Heywood
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Hi, I'm looking for info on my g-g-grandmother, Mary McGinnis, who was born in county Silgo abt 1868. However, I have found conflicting sources listing her maiden name as Collins and Kilhullen as well as McGinnis, so I'm not sure what she would be found under in a birth record. I've also had conflicting info on her father's name, either Patrick McGinnis or John Collins/Kilhullen. Her mother was Jane Linny according to her death record. The name Patrick McGinnis is found in her obituary as well as siblings' marriage records, and John Collins is found on her own marriage record, as well as her own name being listed as Collins. John Kilhullen is found on her death record. As you can imagine this is pretty confusing. I do know these records are all of the same person, though. She immigrated to Carbondale, PA around 1876 and married John F. Peterson, and all of these records list him as the spouse and are located in the Carbondale area. So if anyone could find any records of her in Ireland that could point one way or the other, or any other info, that would be a huge help.
Thanks very much.
Frank
Are you saying that her death record shows her parents as John Kilhullen and Jane Linny but her obituary has her father as Patrick McGinnis and Jane Linny?
You mention siblings, what are their names?
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Thank you, Heywood. I do not have those birth records of her siblings that you linked me to, so thanks for showing me those. I do have Mary in the 1900 US federal census with her husband and children, living in Fell (very close to Carbondale), Lackawanna, PA. I also have, as I mentioned, her marriage license from Lackawanna county, as well as her death certificate and her will. And I have her in a school register in 1875, age 6, along with her sister Maggie (Margaret) and Patrick McGinnis listed as father.
Yes, her obit says her maiden name was Mary McGinnis, and her mother Mrs. Patrick McGinnis (still living at the time of her death). I assume Patrick was deceased by this time. There is no mention of a John Collins or Kilhullen in the obit, but on her death certificate John Kilhullen is listed as her father. The informant for the death certificate was her husband John Peterson. Her siblings were Margaret (as I mentioned), Matilda, Michael, Henry, and two other sisters listed by their husbands' names, whose first names I haven't properly identified, likely Alice and Alicia based on the birth records you found.
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Hi Frank,
I found the census in Fell after I posted. It is strange isn't it. Do you have the rest of the family in censuses?
It is also odd that Alicia was born in 1876, yet you have Mary in school in 1875. It would seem perhaps that Jane travelled later if she was expecting Alicia.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FBS6-2J6
I have looked on here http://sligo.rootsireland.ie/index.php. The site is free to search but records are payable. I tried McGuinness / Linny and it indicated there were 5 possibilities.
Mathre 1866 (presumably Matilda?); Margaret 1869; Alice 1870; Sabina 1874 and Sarah Anne 1879. Again, the last is odd re the date and may not be the family. RootsIreland records can vary with their helpfulness and can be expensive.
Sabina' s mother looks to be Jane Sweny https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPSS-L52. This could be Sweeney or a mispelling/ mistranscription
This is probably the 1879 birth but it says Sarah Jane https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG6Y-8C3 - again may not be the right Jane
Here is Michael who was not on the initial FS list I posted https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRCH-4M6
Irish civil registration of births began in 1864 and photocopies of the entry can be ordered at 4 euros each.
Heywood
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The surname Kilcullen (not Kilhullen) is in the same area in Sligo.
I wondered if Jane had been married twice but can't see any evidence or maybe Mary was 'adopted' into the family and raised as as McGinnis :-\
If the family emigrated in 1870s, they should be in 1880 census but I can't see them as yet. :-\
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Here is the marriage of Pat and Jane https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD6-LML
It seems to indicate that she is widowed as she is the 'spouse' but she is married as Lynny with her father as Henry Lynny ???
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Here is the marriage of Pat and Jane https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGD6-LML
It seems to indicate that she is widowed as she is the 'spouse' but she is married as Lynny with her father as Henry Lynny ???
Well, this could indicate that Mary was from Jane's first marriage, presumably to a John Collins/Kilhullen/Kilcullen, but Mary's birth date from two sources, the school register and the death record, puts her birth after the marriage between Patrick and Jane. However on the marriage license the age listed indicates a birth date of about 1864, as her age listed is 24 when the marriage occurred in 1888. That birth date is also present in the 1900 census, but censuses are often unreliable so I don't put much stock in that.
And I must say you've been a huge help, Heywood, so thank you again for taking the time out to look this stuff up.
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Do you have any if the family elsewhere on any censuses? If so where are they living?
What are the surnames of the sisters on the obituary record?
You mention Matilda - so she can't be Mary?
Is Mary in school in Carbondale?
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If you look here (https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3AJane~%20%2Bmarriage_place%3A%22Dromore%20west%22~%20%2Bmarriage_year%3A1865-1865~&collection_id=1408347) you will notice that the volume and page are the same for Jane Sweeney/Lynney/Linney and Linny but no mention of the other names!
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Do you have any if the family elsewhere on any censuses? If so where are they living?
What are the surnames of the sisters on the obituary record?
You mention Matilda - so she can't be Mary?
Is Mary in school in Carbondale?
I do have Matilda in censuses from 1900 until her death in 1947. She was married to Martin Langan and they resided in Carbondale and Fell until their deaths. Matilda was also known as Tillie. Her marriage record can be found on the Lackawanna county, PA website. I don't have censuses for any other siblings right now, although there are some hints on Ancestry but I've been having problems with the site since yesterday so I can't access them for the moment. Matilda is definitely a different person from Mary.
The other sisters' surnames were Connelly (John) of Carbondale, Conroy (Martin) of NYC, and McDonough (William) of NYC. Brothers were also of Carbondale. This is of course all at the time of Mary's death in 1908.
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Yes Ancestry is down. I saw the Langan connection and wondered about that but it said she emigrated abt 1889 so I was a put off that one.
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Yes Ancestry is down. I saw the Langan connection and wondered about that but it said she emigrated abt 1889 so I was a put off that one.
Yeah, I tend to take census immigration dates (and other dates) with a grain of salt, since you never know who actually answered the questions. Sometimes the enumerator would even go next door to ask about a family if no one was home, so the information can be very iffy at times.
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Matilda's immigration year is 1887 here https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M33W-ZKF. So on the two censuses giving that information it is 1887 and 1889 :-\
But 1910 gives 1880 :)
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I came across Jane's father Henery Lynny's death record.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FRTT-SWP
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Excellent :)
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Hi Frank,
I have seen the baptismal register for Sarah Anne McGuinness - parents Pat and Jane Linny. The year has been transcribed as 1878 but the civil birth register is 1879. In either case, the date is at odds with the family being in Carbondale in 1875 :-\
I have looked through the registers for Mary but can't see anything.
Heywood
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Hi Frank,
I have seen the baptismal register for Sarah Anne McGuinness - parents Pat and Jane Linny. The year has been transcribed as 1878 but the civil birth register is 1879. In either case, the date is at odds with the family being in Carbondale in 1875 :-\
I have looked through the registers for Mary but can't see anything.
Heywood
Yes, it is. Perhaps they went back and forth? That's the only explanation I can think of right now, in any case.
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A "Henry Lynn" is listed in the Tithe Applotment books in Rathlee, Easky, Sligo, in 1842. Could this be a record of Jane's father Henry?
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Another good find - it looks very likely.
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Do you think the name was originally Lynn and somehow changed to Lynny/Linny? I've looked into the origins of Lynny a bit and Lynn is what tends to come up instead.
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I'm not sure- I found as you. Lynn seems to occur mire than Linn/Linny/Lenny.
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So I found the images for some of the birth records you posted from Familysearch, and they contain the names of sponsors as well as parents' names. It's kind of hard to read though. If you have access to the Ireland records on Ancestry do you think you could take a look, Heywood? They list both the parents' surname as Linny for some reason, even though the children are all surnamed McGuinness (or some variant spelling). Thanks for all of your help so far as well.
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Hi Frank,
I can't see any images anywhere. Can you send me the family Search links?
Heywood
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Heywood,
The images aren't on familysearch, unfortunately. They are only on the Ancestry site.
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Ah, I recall now that I saw Sarah Anne before.
I think I know what you mean. I have seen in my own and other Irish records the way of recording.
Her record shows:
3O July
Sarah Anne McGuinness - Pat and Jane Linny
The mother's maiden name is shown but the father's is the same as the child's. The other baptisms on the same page are the same.
Hope that helps. Is there anything you want me to cross check?
I did go through the early register previously. The earliest baptism I can see is Math? Which I think may be Matilda and that would be 1866. Pat and Jane were married 1865.
I really think that the best thing now would be to buy the marriage certificate or photocopy of the marriage details for Pat and Jane. It may not help at all but it may show more info if she was a widow. It is a gamble though.
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I am also a grandchild of Mary Collins, etc. Did you mention you had access to a copy of her obituary? Can you share the link?
Thank you.