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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: SmallTownGirl on Tuesday 24 June 14 08:38 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me with this chap, please?
I can only find him on two census records and his pob is different on both.
In 1871, he's in Nuns Street, Derby and his pob is given as "Smithy Cotton, Derbys", and he's with wife Mary Ann (maiden name unknown) who was b. Worcester 1833, and daughters Alice b. 1864 Birmingham and Mary Ann b. 1870 in Derby.
In 1881, he's in Boyer Street, Derby and his pob is given as "Nook, Derbys", and he's still with same wife and youngest daughter.
I thought that if I could work out where Smithy Cotton and/or Nook were it might help me find him in the earlier census records. And I also thought that "shoemaker" which is consistent as his occupation on both census records might help too, but it hasn't helped me so far :(
Any help very gratefully received.
Thanks
STG
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F/S has a Alice Emma Shaw Christened 7 Aug 1864, Kempsey, Worcestershire to a THOMAS/MARY
The only Birth Reg I can find that seems to match is not Alice Emma though;
Alice Elizabeth SHAW, Sept 1864, Birmingham, 6d 279
This Cert might be worth looking into.
There is a Thomas SHAW Christened 7 February 1819, Smisby, Derbyshire to JOHN/CATHERINE and another same place 29 March 1819, to JAMES/JUDY
Could Smisby be Smithy Cotton?
Looking still :)
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1841 Census
Duffield, Derbyshire
HO107/180/4/Duffield
In the Atkins Household (John Atkins is a Cordwainer)
Thomas SHAW, 22 (1819), Occp Cordwainer (Shoemaker), born in County
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Possibly him Lodging in Birmingham, Warwickshire in 1861;
Thomas SHAW, age 35, born 1826 Pistin Hills, Derbyshire
Unm, Occp Shoemaker
RG9/2138/108/5
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https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VBXY-SBQ F/S has it has Smitty Collon
Going by info 1841, there is a place near Duffield called:
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/maplink?CCC=DBY,GR=SK417421,PLACE=SMALLEY%20COMMON
Also http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/maplink?CCC=DBY,GR=SK380470,PLACE=SMITHY%20HOUSES
Cas
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This looks like him in 1851 - living at Nook, Smedley, Leicestershire (place on census page looks like Smisby not Smedley) - ref. HO107 - 2084 - 259 - 21 - mistranscribed as Sham, not Shaw.
Living with widowed mother Judith Shaw and 2 younger sisters. He is a cordwainer, 32, and he and his siblings all shown born Nook, Derbyshire. So looks like he is the 2nd baptism in 1819, son of James/Judy found by trish1120.
Annette
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Excellent work Annette :) ;D
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1841 Census
Wicket Nook,
Smisby, Derbyshire
HO107/192/7/Smisby
James SHAW, 65, Ag Lab
Indiah (image is Judiah/Judith?), 55
Sylvian, 20
Mary Ann, 15
Susannah, 15
Sarah, 13
All born in County
Next to Pis* Hill House, a Farm.
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Possible? Same page. Transcribed as both on scan
Marriages Dec 1862
Shaw Thomas Birmingham 6d 23
Wakeling Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 23
Wakelins Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 23
Cas
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Can't see any Mary with this surname born ca.1833 Worcester.
Difficult finding right marriage with such common names.
Annette
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Yes, I agree a Childs Birth Cert is really needed to get Mary Anns maiden name.
But there is a Mary WANKLIN, born c 1833 Bromsgrove with her Brother John and Wife in Birmingham in 1861 Census.
Surname is hard to read.
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Sorry for the delay in replying peeps, but I went out this morning for an hour and only just got home!
Fabuloso findings everyone, thanks so much.
Am helping a friend with her tree and she's descended from Thomas and Mary Ann's daughter, Mary Ann, so will suggest we buy that birth certificate to confirm the mother's maiden name.
I'd searched for marriages between Thomas and Mary Ann, but like someone said upthread, these are common names, so quite difficult to sift the wheat from the chaff. I'd seen the Wakeling/Wakelins option, but I hadn't found anyone likely on the 1861 census.
I'd also seen the "cordwainer" occupation on the 1841 census, but was too dim to connect cordwainer to shoemaker. Doh!
Thanks again everybody.
STG
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While I'm waiting for friend to come back to me about ordering Mary Ann's birth certificate, could anyone help with James Shaw and Judith Somebody.
From the 1841 census, James was b. abt 1776 "in county". The nearest (datewise and geographically) I can get from FS is one baptised 11 Feb 1776 in Church Gresley, s/o Jacob and Ann.
For Judith, the 1851 census says b. 1786 in Ticknall. Again, from FS, there's a Judith Kerby, baptised 25 Dec 1785 in Ticknall, d/o Robert and Rebecca.
But I can't find a marriage of a James Shaw to a Judith/Judy/etc, or vice versa. If she's from Ticknall, and they end up living in Smisby, the marriage can't be far away, can it?
I've found other children being baptised for them, the earliest is William on 9 Jul 1813 in Smisby, so that might help narrow down the window of opportunity for the wedding.
Anyone any ideas, please?
Thanks
STG