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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: audbr on Thursday 26 June 14 22:29 BST (UK)
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Hi there, can anybody help?
I am looking for the Marriage between a John Folan (father Mark Folan) and a Barbara Audley (father Patrick Audley) in Oughterard Registration district. Using the Familysearch website I have identified two possible marriages as follows:
Q3 (Oct to Dec) 1887 vol 2 page 90 John Folan & Bab Audley
The following two links should take you to the record:
Bab Audley https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYWR-832
John Folan https://familysearch.org/pal:MM9.1.1/FYWR-WPV
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Q1 (Jan to Mar) 1890 vol 4 page 266 John Folan & Bab Audley
The following two links should take you to the record:
Bab Audley https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYH7-RX7
John Folan https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYHQ-QJQ
Without the cost of purchasing both the above marriage certificates is there any way of identifying which is the one I am really after?
Many thanks in anticipation of your help
Regards
Brian Audley
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On the RootsIreland site I'm getting a positive for John Folan to Barbara Audley father Mark 1887
Put in Barbara first and her father still positive.
That's Galway West.
I'll check a bit more
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That's appearing in Lettermore civil parish
Not finding the 1890 one at all
http://galwaywest.rootsireland.ie
I wouldn't be tempted to buy this record it's unlikely to have mothers names much better to get cert from the GRO.
Hope it's correct.
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My Great Grandfather (or his parents) on my mothers side was a Lee. They settled in Newfoundland. My grandfather was born there. Not sure if they were from England.
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Hi Sinann & Helen 27.
Thanks to you both for your responses to my initial message
Sinann,
I think that you have answered my question. I wonder what happened to the 1890 marriage could it a transcription error by the website.
Helen 27
I do not understand your reply can you please explain
Thanks to both
Regards
Brian Audley
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Some of the church records could be missing, damaged etc or the marriage could have taken place in a church not covered yet by RootsIreland.
Looks like you got lucky but only the Cert will tell for sure.
I think Helen's post went astray, was meant for some other thread.
Let us know how it works out.
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Sinann,
Thanks for your reply. I agree with what you say. I will let you know how I get in.
By the way which one of the people on the camels infront of the pyramid is you!!!
Regards
Brian
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By the way which one of the people on the camels infront of the pyramid is you!!!
Regards
Brian
;D
I wish.
Second from the right is my Grandmother. Not bad for a small time tenant famers daughter.
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Yes Brian, I'm sorry! Obviously it's in the wrong spot and I can't figure out how to delete it. : (
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Hi Sinann & Helen27,
Sinann, I agree with you comment but it does show what potential we can all have.
Helen 27,
Not a problem, I just hope you put a copy in the right spot and you got the reply you wanted
Regards
Brian
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Well I think I have got a partial answer to my original question!
Please see the attached image of the marriage certificate. It contains two dates 1st October 1887 in the normal place and on the extreme right hand side it has the comment 'Registered by me this 15th day of February 1890'. Both these dates corresponds with the two marriage references I gave in my original post. My conclusion is that the attached marriage was registered twice once in 1887 and again in 1890.
This is something I have never seen before, most of my research has been done in England. Can anybody advise whether it is common for marriages to be registered twice in Ireland or have I found one with my first attempt!!
Regards
Brian
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Doubt it was registered twice but got listed in the index twice, as when a widow marries she gets listed twice but there is only one cert.
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Hi Sinann,
I do not see how the marriage could have only been indexed twice as the vol and page numbers in the index are different as follows:
Q3 (Oct to Dec) 1887 vol 2 page 90 John Folan & Bab Audley
and
Q1 (Jan to Mar) 1890 vol 4 page 266 John Folan & Bab Audley
The image I attached has the page number 266 in the top left hand corner i.e it corresponds to the 1890 index entry.
Regards
Brian
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Very odd.
You ordered the first one yes?
You were sent the second
Is the first damaged I wonder
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Unfortunately there are a few of this name and we don't know his wife to check but still I wonder did something happen to page 90
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FY4M-DJX
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FYH7-QJW
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Hi Sinann,
In answer to your message of 22:29 hrs yesterday.
I emailed both entries to a person in Ireland, she visited the General Register Office in Dublin and looked at the indexes there. She could not find the 1887 entry in the indexes and therefore looked at the 1890 indexes, found the entry and so purchased the document.
The only conclusion I can now make is that the marriage took place in 1887 and for some reason the information did not reach the GRO until 1890. It was therefore registered in 1890 and included in the 1890 indexes. I also conclude that the information was inserted retrospectively into the 1887 registers. However as the 1887 indexes had already been produced the marriage was not included in the 1887 indexes that the person I gave the information to searched but was included in an addendum to the 1887 indexes which is included in the family search website.
What do you think of the above logic?
Regards
Brian
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Ah that makes sense, two entries in the index but only one Cert.
There was a case of a bundle of marriage whatits, the bit the priest sends to the registration office, found down the back of a press in the sacristy years after the marriages, so these things do happen.